Is There A Doctor in The House?

GAME 108 IN-GAME DISCUSSION THREAD [PARACHAT] CHICAGO CUBS (54-53) @ PHILADELPHIA PHILLIES (56-52) CITIZENS BANK PARK, 12:10 pm CDT, TV: WGN, CSN
Brett Myers, RHP
9-5, 3.21 ERA
135/41K/BB, 18 HR in 140.0 IP
Mark Prior, RHP
7-3, 3.26 ERA
105/20 K/BB, 14 HR in 102.0 IP
LF *Matt Lawton SS #Jimmy Rollins
2B *Todd Walker CF Jason Michaels
1B Derrek Lee 2b *Chase Utley
3B Aramis Ramirez RF *Bobby Abreu
RF *Jeromy Burnitz LF Pat Burrell
SS #Neifi Perez 1B *Ryan Howard
CF #Jose Macias 3B David Bell
C Henry Blanco C Todd Pratt
P Mark Prior P Brett Myers
The paramedics are coming tomorrow in the form of Nomar, Wood and Williamson, although I'm not sure if you can resuscitate a smoldering corpse. Today's game was a fantasy conflict for me, as I have both Myers and Prior on my team. Normally I root for a 1-0 victory by the Cubs in these cases, with the winning run scored against the opposing teams bullpen. But, more first inning shenanigans by Prior and now I'm just rooting for us to save our season. I do my best not to label anything a must-win game before September but this is about as close as you can get. Go Cubs!!!!
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Manny,

My first comment about Dubois playing 3 weeks under dusty was followed by one of these symbols: "?"

That is a question mark, which you use at the end of the sentence when you are asking a question and not making a statement of fact.

As far as everything else, nice of you to bend the time frames from question to question to meet your needs. And last time I checked there's more to hitting than just batting average.

And just a question to throw out there, if Dubois was starting every day during that stretch, how did CPat and Burnitz end up with 20-30 more ABs during that same time period?

Blue-
Proven wrong and tries to spin his way out of admitting it. You say I don't admit when I am wrong, but you don't practive what you preach. Be a man and admit it, like I did. SPIN SPIN SPIN

No, I took the exact fact you were refering to.

You got proven wrong, and are trying to drag down others with you by twisting the stats to meet your needs.

And EVERYONE sees through it.

Blue0
I am sorry man, but I broke down your post and went through you statements and showed they were not accurate. I think your post #197 and then my response psot #199 say it all. Sorry man...

I know you don't like to admit you are wrong, but this one time for sure you are.

"I recall many a person on here saying all year, even before th season started this was a .500 team. The HIGH end of wins perdicted was 90. With about teh average being 85 or so. So if this team neds up with 84 wins, is that underachieving? It shouldn't be as a majority of Cubs fans thought this team was a .500 team or only a couple games over. that is right in line to what they are doing, so how is the team underachiving. And they lost Wood, Prior, and Noamr for long periods of time. Did you think this was a 95 win team coming into the year? This team is eperforming to what most people thoguht the talent would do. And maybe slightly better considering the major injuries."

Manny, that is simply not true, in fact it's not even close. The VAST majority predicted about 88-95 wins. You were somewhere near the top of that if I remember correctly. I was on the low end predicting about 85 wins, and there were 2 or 3 in the 82-84 range.

Manny, it's something that you do a lot here that sets up a very argumentative discussion that is not necessary. You take comments of a few people here, and then portray it as the comments of virtually everyone but you...and make it a "manny against the world" argument.

Again, the best example was your particularly nasty post in early June calling out everyone who thought this was a .500 team (all 4 of us) and talking about how wrong we were and how we all needed to shut up and face the facts that this was a great team.

The Cubs were 6 games over .500 at the time. Less than a month later, the team was 4 games under .500.

And now you are sitting here trying to say this team has met or exceeded expectations?

Manny, I chewed out another member of this board yesterday for going overboard and not taking responsibility for his actions here. He deserved it at the time, although I think he now understands what happened, but we'll see.

Manny, I have seen you repeatedly fall into the same trap you set for yourself. You try to fight the world when you argue. You take some individual arguments and try to apply it to everyone or try to say that the argument represents most TCR users. And when you do that, you are making the bed that you have to sleep in here. It's confrontational, it tends to be pretty harsh (Which I don't think you ever realize) and it just comes across as "I'm always right, and all other TCR members are wrong"

Instead of talking how "everyone thought this was a .500 team" or how "everyone thought Wuertz should close". talk to direct users and refer to direct comments. Or better yet, don't talk about everyone else...just state your own belief and your own view...there is no need to try to prove everyone else wrong.

Manny, at some point you have to take a step back and look around at this place. Do all of us have some personal vendetta against you? Do all of us have some secret plot to fight with you? No, we don't, you make the situation for yourself by trying to fight against everyone. "Everyone thought this" "Everyone else can say this, but I can't" "How come you told me to stop but not them"

Manny, you will be manny, and you don't need to make drastic changes. Most of us enjoy you most of the time...but this game you play, which I doubt you see and know you do not do intentionally needs to stop. You have to begin to pay a bit more attention to some of the same traps you fall into repeatedly. Because the problem is, when you do make the same mistakes here, it adversly effects all of us, and more and more people grow less patient with your antics.

Adam-
I was wrong...I admitted it...SORRY!!

LoL, just because its funny to prove you DEAD WRONG manny, especially when you're being all high and mighty.

Lets look at the facts.

Dusty went back to a platoon starting with the game on June 1st. So it was not more than 3 weeks, it was exactly 3 weeks. (Nice of you to say include "played in" games as the basis of your argument, not games started - which is also how the other guys got 20-30 more ABs)

And since you got the premise of your argument wrong, we can pretty much assume everything else about it is wrong.

Dubois was actually the Starting left fielder starting from 5/10-5/31. Dusty went back to the platoon on June 1. During that time, Dubois was actually hitting .246/.288/.436 (again there is more to hitting than average)

But since you like the 5/10 to 6/4 time frame, and we're talking about Dubois getting a chance as a starter, lets look at what he did during that span when he was starting:

Dubois hit 260/311/464 as a starter.

Since you didn't want to provide slugging numbers for the other 2 outfielders, its hard to make a very good comparisions, but come back with those numbers and we'll talk again.

I'm not even going to get into the Hollandsworth thing, because you know damn well I was talking about Hollys numbers while Dubois was in Cleveland, which you've also been proven WRONG about dozens of times now.

SPIN SPIN SPIN.....DAMAGE CONTROL!

"Adam-
I was wrong...I admitted it...SORRY!!"
oy vay, manny, you being "wrong" had little to do with my post.

Please, I honestly beg you, start to pay more attention to how many personal fights you end up with here...and try to figure out why? and then try to avoid them

LOL, what was it you said:
"I am sorry man, but I broke down your post and went through you statements and showed they were not accurate"

Of course you had to bend my statements to show they weren't accurate, and even then you just made stuff up to fit your arguments, so it was really quite easy to prove you wrong once again.

Sorry for making you look like a fool again, but it had to be done. I'll take that apology now.

Adam-
Why not tell that to the people who persoanlly attack me? Just because I don't toe the TCR line of constantly bashing Dusty, people come at me. I am tired of getting personally attacked first but then getting accused to starting it...BULLSHIT!!

I don't mind if people tear up the content of posts like today when I was wrong about the predictions, but do so in a civil way. Is that hard??

Blue-
You will be waiting for awhile, because my post #199 speaks for itself. Sorry man...

Speaks for itself? It most certainly does.

You bend timeframes so they don't match reality, and don't include important facts needed to make a comprehensive evaluations.

Yeah, post 199 speaks for itself.

"Why not tell that to the people who persoanlly attack me? Just because I don't toe the TCR line of constantly bashing Dusty"

I'm pretty sure most people attack you for being arrogant, frequently wrong, showing borderline retardation, and being a bit of an assbag.

PS: And annoying as hell.

Billt-
Thanks for proving my point...

No problem.

Why not tell that to the people who persoanlly attack me? Just because I don't toe the TCR line of constantly bashing Dusty, people come at me. I am tired of getting personally attacked first but then getting accused to starting it...BULLSHIT!!

It should be noted that I have rarely seen other "Dusty supporters", such as Crunch, Bob and Chad(for example), catch as much flack as you do, for what it's worth. I think Adam #205 post is closer to the truth then you care to believe.

It's more about your method of arguing then your views, at least that's my opinion.

VIVA LA FREE SPEECH! (and sorry to the other 3 if you don't consider yourself Dusty supporters).

Rob G.:
"It's more about your method of arguing then your views, at least that's my opinion. "

That may be true, but does not make personal attacks right.

no offense to the person who brought it up cuz he's not the only person who thinks this...

...but...

i am not a dusty supporter.

i simply just dont care enough about a manager who's doing a pretty ordinarily plain job to call for his head when there's more pressing problems on this team that isnt a lineup jockey.

i simply could care less how anyone wants to blame dusty for this mess, it just seem weak and pointless to me...NO manager could turn what happened here into gold.

this pen experiment failed...badly

the bench is weak...badly

the injuries sucked...badly

CP forgot how to hit...badly

the ONLY gambles this team has made that have worked has been Burn's playing RF and dempster to the closer role.

every single thing else failed.

that's no one's fault but the players not stepping up...and in some cases those faults were predictable and expected, especially in the case of the bench and how those replacements relate to injury concerns.

if you wanna spend 128399941798 lines of text talking about fixing something, i'd rather focus on something that would actually help this club more than 1-4ab's a game chosen by the designated lineup jockey when applicable.

my apologies.....

How 'bout 'non-Dusty Hater'? :)

i prefer the term "not giving a f**k"

hehe...

seriously, i see no plus to throwing away 4m bucks + whatever it'd cost for a replacement to "fix" a problem that dont need fixing. baker isnt God, but neither are 25-29 other managers out there...i find baker to be pretty damn ordinary at worst.

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