Today in Cubs History: 12-16

12-16-1992 - The Giants name Dusty Baker as manager to replace Roger Craig. (taken from Baseball Library) 12-16-1985 - Traded Billy Hatcher and a PTBNL (Steve Engel) to the Houston Astros. Received Jerry Mumphrey. Wow, I don't have the slightest recollection of Engel at all. Anybody help me here? A very slow news day in Cubs history. Baseball Library lists today as the day we acquired Jimmy Sheckard from the Brooklyn Superbas, but Baseball-Reference lists that date as December 30th, and I'll cover it, then. So another real yawner of a day. Here's a question: What Items do you hope will join the list of events that happened on December 16th, when five years from now it comes time for me to do the December 16th, 2010 TICH edition?



Hopefully 5 years from now it will read on some december day that the Cubs get Tejada. Dusty supporters will point to the fact Hendry has not provided him his type of players and Tejada is the ultimate Dusty player. He is an aggressive hitter who can run and play solid D. Also Tejada would be the strong clubhouse leader needed by Baker's laisse-fair attiude towards disipline, That is anthor reason why the Pierre trade was good he knows how to go about his buisness and is a low maintance attitude guy.

I envision an Adam Dunn signing - what year would that be? about 2008?

Dec of 2007, I'm pretty sure.

adam who?

"Asked if Corey Patterson could play right field, Hendry replied, "Sure.'' If he plans to make that statement next month at the Cubs' annual fan convention, he would be advised to hire several armed guards to ensure his protection."


well, seriously..if that's how they dragged the "patterson in RF" rumor outta him..whatever, no big deal or commitiment.

the same article mentions hendry has 2 trade proposals for RF's with teams on the table, though its doubtful either will be taken. it at least opens up dialogue.

This post, right here, is the 70,000th post at TCR.

What Should I Say?

Ron Cey ruled the 1984 Cubs.
We miss you, Harry.
Cheese is good.

I think that will suffice.

Hey, I remember Jerry Mumphrey, he was actually pretty decent. VERY solid OBP guy. We got him at the end of his career, so his defense and speed were diminished, but he was worth Billy Hatcher.

This article reads like a TCR post. "It's the blind leading the blind on Chicago's Northside"

Average time of a game last season, by ballpark.
(Wrigley is way down at the bottom)

Stadium Average

Yankee Stadium 3:03

Fenway Park 3:01

Camden Yards 2:52

Shea Stadium 2:52

Bank One Ballpark/Chase Field 2:51

Great American Ballpark 2:51

PNC Park 2:51

Coors Field 2:50

Dodger Stadium 2:48

Miller Park 2:48

SBC Park 2:48

Ameriquest Field 2:48

Comerica Park 2:47

Safeco Field 2:47

Dolphins Stadium 2:47

U.S. Cellular Field 2:46

Angel Stadium 2:46

Tropicana Field 2:46

Citizens Bank Park 2:46

Turner Field 2:44

Petco Park 2:43

Kauffman Stadium 2:41

Minute Maid Park 2:41

Busch Stadium 2:41

Jacobs Field 2:40

Rogers Centre 2:40

RFK Stadium 2:40

McAfee Coliseum 2:39

Wrigley Field 2:39

Metrodome 2:35

I heard the same thing about the Patterson rumor. It sounded like the media's way of trying to create news where there isn't any. Plus, Hendry has to give the appearance that he's happy to keep him if he hopes to get even a little value in return for him.

Anyone know what the deal is with They've removed all their posts back to Dec. 10.

I think they had to remove everything they made up. That may actually push it back a bit further...

Years from now I'd enjoy reading about how the Cubs got Tejada on this date, as well. Without trading Z or Prior or Lee. Good luck, right? It's time to address the #2 hole in the batting order if Walker's a goner as it appears. Please, not Neifi. I would have really liked to have seen Nomar in the 2-hole. Regarding Corey staying or going: before Ozzie, the Chicago coach/manager I really admired re: team play was and is Scott Skiles. With the Corey situation, what do you think Skiles would do?

I remember Steve Engel. He was one of the starters during the debacle of 1985. We lost ALL five starters that season & he auditioned for one of the spots. He was a little lefty with weak breaking stuff & no fastball. Needless to say, he wasn't around long.

Engle also hit a homerun at the Astrodome (I believe it was the Astodome)which was something that didn't happen much, esp. for a pitcher.

If you've been following the team since pre-1984 and you want to torture yourself, go to Retrosheet and look at the game log for 1985. At one point, the Cubs rotation was Ray Fontenot, Derek Botelho, Lary Sorenson, Jay Baller, and Steve Engel. Other luminaries getting starts that year were Johnny Abrego and Larry Gura. And, of course, the immortal Reggie Patterson.

Dennis, my father took me to that game that Engel started. It was supposed to be Eck starting. I was 14 and it was my 1st time at Wrigley, then they announced Steve Engle as the starter.....funny thing too, when my father took my brother to his 1st game at Wrigley the next year, Scott Sanderson was supposed to start, however he was replaced at game time by the almighty Joe Kramer.

Re # 9 (average time of ballgames):

You could use the average number of minutes of a game divided by number of victories by the home team to come up with a "Fan Misery Index".

I don't even need to run the numbers to decide that KC (average 161 minutes and 56 wins, for a Fan Misery Index of 2.88) would be the winner.

Although they had the longest home games, the Yankees top the Cubs in the FMI, 1.93 to 2.01. What a difference 16 wins makes.

Hey, the Royals may suck, but there's no misery in seeing a game at Kaufman. Even though I'm a Cub fanatic, I live here and go to a good dozen games a year. The tickets are cheap, sightlines are terrific, parking and access are the easiest in the majors. It's literally like seeing a game at a park with the open outfield, my family loves it!

Only real beef is that Kaufman food is pretty lousy compared to most ballparks, but the beer is cheap and cold :-)

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  • based on what SF has been doing every other year lately, getting access to the postseason playoffs seems to be what's important. bring on dat short series!

    that said, skipping the sudden death 1-game WC would be nice from here on out.

  • I know what you are saying, but I feel compelled to point out that there's no such thing as luck, curses, etc. The Cubs this year have as good as a chance as the Pirates to move on to the next round. If the Cubs proceed to the next round or not tomorrow, it will not be because of luck, but because one team outlasted the other. When/if the Cubs are lucky enough to make it to the league series, that's where they may find their biggest challenge. The Dodgers have a good, deep pitching staff.

  • debuting the new format 1 game "sudden death" WC matchup at yankee stadium does a perfect job of showing the intense emotion and drama this game can be.

    that said, i'm ready to not see yankee stadium or hear fans at yankee stadium for another 5 and 1/2 months. at least i don't have to sit through the braves with their "tommy hawk chawp" this postseason.

  • i'd like to know why the internet radio feed of the game (which is always delayed by a few seconds at best) is almost a minute faster than the ESPN cable TV coverage. wtf?

  • i dont know what order they'll be in, but i pretty much expect fowler/schwarb/rizzo/bryant/montero/castro/lastella/arrieta. any change at all (aside from the first 4 guys) wouldn't shock me, though. coghlan is still a wildcard in the lineup joe could always march d.ross out there with very slow arrieta pitching.

  • Yup. Have to agree. Baseball, like golf, certainly has that psych component for the player. There is no real reason why a fielding position should affect a batting average. The Cubs are 106 years over due for a little luck. Don't you guys think so? Maybe the rookies can bring some dumb luck on.

  • probably stacking capable lefties vs cole while keeping the "hot" castro in the game. fwiw, he's 1-6 lifetime with 0 bb/k vs cole (double).

    i chalk bryant's issues at the plate while playing OF up to coincidence so far.

  • I will call your dead horse, "Trigger".

    In one game, when anything is possble, I am glad that Joe Maddon is our Manager.

    He knows the stats better than all of us. It would seem, IF La Stella gets the start at 3B, it will be only up to the point that they were to get the lead (crosses fingers). From everything I have read, the game will be managed like a hoops game: offense/defense. So expect La Stella to be out of the game by the 5th. This team is incredibly deep which is so surprising. We never woulda thunk it.

  • i don't know what their roster plans are, but j.herrera is out there practicing with the team.

    i can't imagine him making any roster, though. dude had 4 PA the entire month of sept. him being a good dude to be around while keeping the clubhouse loose seems to be his main role at this point.

  • I know it's my own personal dead horse to beat --but Bryant has been a lousy hitter when playing the OF this year. Given that it's his first playoff game, I really hope they keep him in his natural position and don't mess with his routine.

    Lousy as in 8-for-45 with one XBH and no HR. Small sample and all that -- but why take the chance?

  • hard to tell what's up given they'll probably want to stack as many good lefties into the lineup as possible.

    castro being a bit hot doesn't help things. if he was still cool they'd probably stick la stella at 2nd and call it a day.

  • Madden won't announce lineups but Stella is practicing at 3rd and Bryant in LF today. I'd rather see Bryant at 3rd but I guess Stella has been hotter than Coghlan.

    /edit. Though I guess they could be practicing this with the idea Stella would come in as a PH then double switch him to 3rd base and Bryant to LF. Hope that's the plan instead

  • I really like the sound of that idea about expanding the AFL to ten teams. Each org. gets to field more players.
    They should do that anyway, regardless of Adv. Instructs.

  • Dallas Beeler, Corey Black, David Garner, Pierce Johnson, Steve Perakslis, James Pugliese, Duane Underwood Jr, and Rob Zastryzny threw early-morning bullpen side-sessions at Riverview yesterday.  

    Underwood threw last, and received specific one-on-one instruction from pitching coach Mike Mason. 

  • HAGSAG: There are only five advanced instructs squads left, and presently the only "co-op" team operating is the Angels/Cubs.

    The league was originally established as a "parallel" league to the AFL (a sort of "junior AFL"), for players too advanced for traditional ("basic") instructs but who were unable to get placed on AFL rosters due to AFL player-limits.

  • He is but I would think it'd be better to start out with offense and then bring in Jackson and LaStella once they have a lead. Stella has very good PH #s too.