FrËre Jacque, Dormez-Vous?

Free agent right fielder Jacque Jones has signed a $16m/3yr deal with the Cubs. And with that I'm off to bed to dream of just how I'll celebrate in September 2008 when this deal expires. More from me in the morning. Trans To repeat a sentiment that I presume has been expressed somewhere in the flood of comments: The Jacque Jones signing does not solve our outfield situation. Jones is adequate enough against right-handed pitching, hitting to a tune of .268/.348/.466/.814 last year. But he simple cannot be played against left-handed pitching (.201/.247/.370/.617). Find me a cheap corner-OF bat that can mash left-handed pitching in a platoon and we have an adequate right-field plan. Not good, but adequate. Several TCR people are hot about the recently released Jeff DaVanon, whose three-year splits against lefties are .307/.425/.455/.880. To this list of right-handed platoon bats I would add Jose Cruz Jr, Kevin Mench, Craig Monroe, Emil Brown, Dustan Mohr, Eli Marrero and Gabe Kapler. None of them are players I'd want to see collecting 500 ABs for the Cubs in a year, but then again, neither is Jacque Jones. And all of these guys are at a point in their life where they should be content with a platoon job mashing lefties, a skill at which they've all proven capable. Until that happens, I would have rather gone with Corey's greater speed and defense, and his lesser age, salary, and length of contract commitment.


Please, enough with the WW II discussion. Some slight diversions into other subjects seem fair enough but this has gone way overboard . . . .

As far as Damon goes, suggesting that the Cubs should be kicking themselves now for not getting Damon is unwarranted. No way is four years at $53 million any kind of bargain for this guy. Sure, he is a good player but I agree with the Red Sox's decision not to throw more than $10 million a year at this guy. Sure, it is gonna hurt the Sox not to have him in center, and for Damon to be on the Yanks, but I give them some kudos for trying to be fiscally responsible in this day and age. The payroll the Yanks are carrying is just unbelieveable. Someone said today on ESPN news that their only position player who will make less than $10 million per year is Cano, the second baseman. I predict that there may be a lockout after this season when the current contract expires. I just do not see how the game can survive long term without a salary cap along the lines of the NFL. The player's association will not like it and so there will be a lockout.

As far as Jones goes, who knows? Let's give the guy a chance. Sure, we would all like to have Vlad or Manny et al. But we have to set aside some money for DLEE and Prior and Z and others who are going to be asking for it in the next several years. Jones has the ability to be an upgrade from last year. We will almost certainly be better in center field this coming season. We are rid of Macias. Mabry can be a good bench guy. Our middle relief looks stronger. Now if we can just have a healthy Wood, which I realize is far from certain, then we have a real shot at being a much better club than last season.

As far as Manny goes, no way will the Sox take just Murton, CPAT and a minor league pitcher for Manny after losing Damon. There is no way we end up with Manny.

Oh, please . . . Corey has done it all to himself. He played terrible baseball last year and was not much better the year before. He was given every opportunity. The guy was coddled, if anything. Remember that Corey was the one who started dictating publicly where he would and would not be willing to hit in the batting order. Corey was the one who routinely swung at pitches that he had no chance at all to put a bat on. I am sorry but there is no way I believe that the fans should have just sat on their hands and not dared boo or make one derogatory comment about Corey. The fans did not jump on this guy right away. Weeks and weeks and weeks went by where Corey looked like he had no clue at all at the plate. So, sure, the fans booed. Some guys in that situation suck it up and turn things around. Corey could not do that, probably because his attitude was "what do they know." Personally, I did not boo the guy when I saw the team play the last couple of years. But I do not fault other fans for booing CPAT. He and he alone is responsible for his poor play the last couple of seasons.


I like to think that the time I spent in the military also gives me some right to talk this way.

"Walker is going to hit .300 and play average to above average defense"

Really? He must have worked hard on his defense over the offseason because his range is poor and his arm is below average.

Walker is a bad defensive 2B.

So is Craig Wilson available? He kills lefties. (Hell, I'd rather have him than Jones as my everyday RF.)

Korey for Matt Clement anyone (with the Sawks picking up a significant portion of his bloated contract)?

Da Krone-

I hope your trade offer was a joke. I mean if I'm the Red Sox I'd definitely give up arguably my best starting pitcher last year for an outfielder no one wants. Heck, I'll even pay for Clement's contract. Deal! Why not offer Neifi Perez for Bobby Abreu, so long as the Phillies pick up some of Abreu's contract.


Is Jeremy Reed that much better than Korey Patterson? Because that is the deal the Red Sox offered the Mariners...Clement for Patterson doesn't seem that off base then.

"Remember that Corey was the one who started dictating publicly where he would and would not be willing to hit in the batting order."

Is it possible that Corey understood what kind of player he was and was capable of being but no one would listen to him? He said he wasn't a lead-off hitter and wanted to hit 3rd. Isn't that what a power hitter should aspire to? Dusty has proven that Corey is not a leadoff hitter. Corey told us that all along. In 03 he did it mostly from the 6 spot in the order. I would have liked to see Patterson batting 6th and playing right for 162 games.

"Is Jeremy Reed that much better than Korey Patterson?"

Better - YES

Cheaper - YES

Younger - YES

Reed is much more valuable than Patterson.

"Corey told us that all along. In 03 he did it mostly from the 6 spot in the order. I would have liked to see Patterson batting 6th and playing right for 162 games."

thank you, thank you , thank least one other person realizes that this may be dusty's doing a little bit....why in the hell do you have corey bat first, second or eight...the three worst places for him...put him batting sixth and he is fine. what a bunch of jacka$$es there are here.

"Oh, please . . . Corey has done it all to himself. He played terrible baseball last year and was not much better the year before. He was given every opportunity."

i agree with joey here....cubs fans have gotten to be some real jerks over the years...i understand that they expect winning now and they should. but do you see cardinal fans doing that? uhh no....then again cards fans dont reach over into the field like 15 cubs fans did in the 2003 playoffs (i love it when people say that anybody would have done the same thing...ummm, cardinal fans would not have, bosox fans would not have, yanks fans would not have-and it wasnt just poor bartman-look at the tape)...a lot of us cubs fans are just not very observant...for example, how many people remember game 2 of the 2003 nlcs? bako was interferred with in that game....what happens four games later...well, we know that song and dance....

I don't know why you guys still carry your permanent boners for Matt Clement. HE SUCKS!!!!!

#149 of 215: By CUBBY (December 20, 2005 10:18 PM)

can neifi improve on his AOB% this year? (Ass On Bench).

Another quote of the year nomination!!!!

I agree with chad. What is the hang up with clement? He's incredibly inconsistant and don't people remember that taken out of the rotation at the end his last season as a cub and was awful towards the end of last season also. I'd rather keep Patterson as a defensive replacement than bring back Clement.

I'm not a Clement guy. But he'd be a better 5th starter than Rusch. And if all it cost was Patterson, who we have no spot to play, why not? He's not going to get much playing time with Furcal playing everyday in CF and Jones hitting vs righties.

CP is gone. The question is what can we get in return?

You mean Pierre, Mr. X.

Oops - yes - Pierre. Wishful thinking on my part, huh? I'm still shocked we didn't get Furcal. I figured with all the money we had this offseason to spend, Hendry wouldn't let the guy we needed most (SS, Leadoff, etc.) get away.

Zona, boy I DO remember that one. It bugged me alot at the time & still does. HOWEVER, good, focused teams overcome this. How many people remember Crede & A.J. blowing a foul pop against the Astros by pulling an Alphonse-Gaston act. Two pitches later the hitter grounded out to short & no one but me will remember the gaffe.

i see what ur saying about focused teams overcoming this but a team shouldnt have to overcome bullshit the fans caused. sometimes i wonder if i am in the great minority of cubs fans(me being an intelligent cubs fan, that is :)). i would have done anything to be in the seats behind those stupid bastards in game 6. you know...i can think of a few incidents over the years where cubs fans have interferred with a cubs player trying to make a play. i swear we have the dumbest fuckin fans in the world.

I've never posted before but some of these posts make me laugh. Where do you start to respond when it gets so silly. Well, here goes!
1) Hendry is resposible for getting us in a position to be bitching about this offseason. Any one remember where we were a few years ago?
2) Our fans were a lot friendlier when we really sucked. I sure like being a contender but having to read what some of these jerks write really makes me yearn for the years when Ernie roamed SS and we sucked. We were the true Cub fans because we hung in there even when we knew deep down we had no chance.
3) Furcal's contract would have been an albatross when we had to resign Z, Prior and Lee.
4) Walker has been found to be expendable everywhere he played. Wonder why? And yet I keep reading that no one wants to trade him. The guy can;t field when you are building around pitching.
5) Jones can be be adequate in RF. We have no way to know which player he will be. THERE WAS NO ONE BETTER AVAILABLE.
6) I agree that CPat's downfall was the result of trying to make him somone he didn't want to be. That was due to his immaturity. He probably needs a change of scenery to fullfill his potential. I keep reading that you guys would rather have him than Jones. That makes me laugh since you would have been the first ones to roast Hendry if he had stayed with CPat in RF.
7) The biggest single reason in my opiinion for our falling apart last year was Dusty's insistence on using Hawkins as the closer when all winter long we read that it would be Dempster. If Demps gets the nod the chance of the mental letdowns early in the year might not have happended. Rusch should have been a starter with Hendry finding another lefty for the bullpen.
8) Quit ripping Perez. He won a lot of games for us. He is an outstanding fielder and hit well for the most part. His OBP and his tendency to swing at the first pitch makes him no different than most of the Cubs. Besides Cedeno is slated to get thenod at SS. Perez as a backup ain't so bad.
9) We should consider Barett as trade bait because he might be a hot commodity withhis offensive stats. I'm not sure he will ever handle a pitching staff well enough to get us to the promised land.
10) I like the ideas of Craig Wilson or Byrne for platoon action when necessary or to have a righty off the bench.
11) The demands of some teams for players like Mench, Huff, Lugo. and Baez have been absolutely crazy. I'm glad Hendry has the patience to wait for a time when those demands become reasonable.
12) If we didn't give Cedeno a shot at SS a lot of so called fans would have been screaming, as they have in the past, that we never give young players a chance.
13) I think Dusty has done a lousy job handling the starting staff (too many pitches), giving young players PT, and with his lineup order.
14) Get off Macias' back. He wasn't meant to play all that much. His versatility allowed some roster maneuvering that even Mabry won't allow.
15) Some of the trade proposals you guys make assume the GM on the other side is a bigger idiot than you think Hendry is.
16) The division is getting weaker so we might get lucky. Hendry is not the only GM that is having trouble finding the star player available. You won't be able to watch the CArds without a program this year.
17) Quit the history lesson. This is a freaking baseball page!


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    johann 20 hours 47 min ago view
  • it's not like we're talking about a guy who's never had issues with pitch selection and seeing the ball over here. we're talking about a guy who has some rather legendary swing-and-misses at breaking stuff who's been exploited low. going forward it's worth paying attention to seeing if he can be exploited inside, too. he seriously bailed out of the box on a called strike. sure it was a good curve, but he obviously didn't see that well at all.

    crunch 20 hours 59 min ago view
  • It would seem like he is figuring it out now and it's really coming together. Really happy for him. Joe was really protecting him from the 3rd time through the order, but as you allude to, he is earning trust to go deeper.

    Wondering if has potential to become a #3 pitcher? His current stats certainly support it.

    The E-Man 21 hours 8 min ago view
  • That doesn't count b/c CRUNCH didn't see it on his 60" HDTV 5 times in replay.

    I have seen many players "bail out" when the ball looked like it was gonna hit them.

    Especially with the advent of the splitter and pitchers that can really get the ball to dance. Marmol, Sutter, Pedro Martinez, Curt Schilling, Derek Lowe, Smoltz, Arrietta...

    These guys have made the best bail out only for the ball to come over the plate and be called a strike.

    No shame in that. The same way players whiff hard enough to cause them to drill a hole in the ground from spinning.

    The E-Man 21 hours 13 min ago view
  • a 60" TV with slow-motion replay and multiple looks on that replay helps...a lot...

    it's one thing to shy away like he did the 2nd time, it's another to bail out of the box on a called strike. that happened in the 1st one he pulled away from. he misjudged that one by a foot or so...

    crunch 21 hours 32 min ago view
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    johann 22 hours 25 min ago view
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    The E-Man 22 hours 27 min ago view
  • soler vs inside breaking balls is scary.

    he's had 2 inside curve balls today where he reacted as if they were about to hit him even though they weren't that he bailed out of the box on, it was a called strike.

    crunch 22 hours 45 min ago view