Some Other Things…

Please feel free to digest the Todd Wellemeyer trade and Marquis Grissom retirement in the post below, but I had to mention that... - Roberto Novoa has recovered from his bout with "valley fever" and will likely see Cactus League action before the team breaks camp on Thursday. - Dusty Baker has decided on who will get the bulk of the playing time at 2b, but he's not telling. Nana, nana, boo-boo - 6:1 odds that Dusty Baker is the first NL manager fired this year. Any takers? Only Bob Melvin of Arizona is a safer bet among NL managers. - Glendon Rusch goes against the Mariners today in Cactus League action.
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What are the odds on Hendry getting the AX as well. I think Dusty is more obviously inept, but Hendry has failed to bring in that marquee player 2 years in a row...

hey, that link says 6:1 odds that dusty is the FIRST NL manager fired i'm pretty sure. that seems to make a lot more sense

here's my take on grissom retiring, mainly a repost from the end of the other thread.

1) pagan is a lock to be on the team
2) who gets the 6th bench spot?

theriot, dopirak, sing, restovich?

my vote is for dopirak. we don't need another middle infielder (theriot). our bench isn't awful, but there's really no power bat. dopirak, while i won't expect a ton at his age, should be that guy, when you need a homer. he deserves this spot more than anyone, at least for the first month until we "need" a 12th pitcher again. also, with lee's shoulder/possible grandparent funeral coming up, might as well have someone who can help keep mabry out of the infield.

restovich I would pick over theriot as well, but makes less sense than dopirak. even if restovich can play a legit 1B, he doesn't have any power, and that's a major flaw with this cubs bench.

my guess is it will be restovich.

let's just hope dusty has lost macias' cell number. and that macias has lost his oh-so-valuable emergency catcher's glove.

For those who are interested John Sickels has an article on Andrew Sisco.

http://www.minorleagueball.com/story/2006/3/2...

hey, that link says 6:1 odds that dusty is the FIRST NL manager fired i'm pretty sure. that seems to make a lot more sense

Poor wording on my part I suppose, let me clarify it. Thanks.

There is no way you hinder Dopirak's development by carrying him on the bench. He has not played in AA even.

I would take Restovich or Sing right now only cause we're in desperate need of some power off the bench. A late inning homer isn't a bad thing, we have enough contact/speed/versatile guys as is...

Royals grab Tony Graffanino off waivers....

It looks like Rusch is having another rough start. Is anyone listening to the game?

are the cubs flailing away at king felix's offerings?

i think i got sing and dopirak a little messed up. I'll take either of them over restovich/theriot for the next month. we need bench power. theriot is the last thing this team needs on its bench. he's more of the same right now. restovich is alright, but a) he doesn't have power and b) we sure have enough outfielders (mabry/hairston/pagan), so that "asset" of his relative to sing/dopirak doesn't help the cubs right now.

some guy named Oldham was pitching for the Mariners....

I believe Restovich, Pagan, Theriot and Mabry are all in the lineup as well.

Rusch cruised through the 4th though....

I was under the impression that "pop" would be the main attribute that Restovich would bring. Isn't he like 6'4 260?

Also for those interested, it seems that Corey Patterson was all-but-a-lock to take over CF for the Orioles ten days ago, but Luis Matos (who was on the block) is hitting .393 and probably won his job back.

The Baltimore Sun says,

Corey Patterson // Too many fly balls, too many hacks at first pitches. He's an attentive student in batting practice, but it seems taking tests isn't his strength.

As that .242 batting average attests.

So far, new scenery=same old Korey.

Roberto Novoa has recovered from his bout with ìvalley feverî

But has he recovered from the "Can't Hit the Ocean with Spit" flu?

I was under the impression that "pop" would be the main attribute that Restovich would bring. Isn't he like 6'4 260?

Indeed, power is about all Restovich brings to the table. He's a low contact .230/.330/.460 guy with a big platoon split that's favorable against lefthanders. If you stuff him and JJ into one uniform you'd have a terrific sequel to The Thing with Two Heads and a platoon that might drag the Cubs within the vicinity of RF league average.

So now Grissom is gone, and the Dusty bashers wasted all their energy crying about how much Dusty weas going to use him. Just another thing Dusty bashers were wrong about.

Are you using Grissom's sudden retirement as a defense of Dusty's management style? I don't follow.

The only thing it does is make sure nobody can be proven wrong about what Dusty would have done.

Angel Pagan just blasted a 3 run homerun to tie the game.

Brick:
"Are you using Grissom's sudden retirement as a defense of Dusty's management style? I don't follow.

The only thing it does is make sure nobody can be proven wrong about what Dusty would have done."

There have been many Dusty bashers who have been complaing about Grissom definately making the team and playing too much because Dusty plays only vets, etc. Well, Grissom did not make the team, so I am pointing out they rushed to judgement bashing Dusty AGAIN.

So now Grissom is gone, and the Dusty bashers wasted all their energy crying about how much Dusty weas going to use him. Just another thing Dusty bashers were wrong about.

What are you talking about MannyT? Baker wasted 40 AB's on Grissom this spring. He was treated like a starter even though he could barely move. Only nine other players had more at bats. And as I pointed out earlier today, he's got more AB's to this point than Pie, Pagan, and Greenburg.

yeah, sorry, i'm going to have to go with grissom saving us from dusty rather than the other way round. given how he was used all spring -- and dusty's accomodative comments about "spring being for the young" and all that -- it seems very clear he was being given every opportunity to make the club. he chose not to, thank god.

Michael Barrett rides a 3-2 fastball over the wall in left. Cubs take 4-3 lead.

Wind blowing out today.

CWTP:
"Baker wasted 40 AB's on Grissom this spring."

You are crying over 40 ST AB's?? If so, then you should also be pissed at Hendry as he wasted a spot in ST on Grissom too. But anyways, Pie and Greenberg had basically no shot of winning a spot on the team and Pagan played his way on the team. Grissom was playing for a spot on the team as Hendry gave him that shot when he brought him in to camp. What should Baker do, give him 10AB's?? That wouldn't be very fair. I persaonlly agree he should of never been brought into camp and we all should be blaming HENDRY 100% for that, but when a guy is brought into camp, he is told by the GM he will be given a shot. He was and he did not play good and he is gone.

How did our pitching look today?

Has anyone thought about the possibility that Hendry and/or Baker told Grissom he was not going to make the team and that to save face he might just want to announce his retirement?

That happens a lot with coaches asked to quit beofre being fired. They are asked to resign.

We will never know what happened, but that clearly is a possibility.

But even so, Grissom should of never even been in camp in the first place (Shame on Hendry!!). But Baker gave him his shot and he couldn't do it, so rightfully Grissom is gone.

I agree that Grissom saved us from Grissom. He should be commended.

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Anybody read the cubs.com article about Grissom retiring? It makes it sound as if Grissom knew that Baker was going to put him on the 25 man instead of Pagan (the more deserving candidate) and so he retired to give Pagan a shot.

Muskat really spins it as if Grissom was saving all of us Cubs fan the pain and agony of Baker trying to use him (bc that's almost certainly what would've happened).

Maybe Grissom envisioned himself as a bench guy/platoon player and got really scared in camp bc he saw that Dusty wanted to play him everyday!!

But even so, Grissom should of never even been in camp in the first place (Shame on Hendry!!). But Baker gave him his shot and he couldn't do it, so rightfully Grissom is gone.

You're going to say "shame on Hendry" for doing something every GM in baseball does by giving a washed up veteran one last chance to prove himself. What on earth can you possibly say was the downside of what Hendry did?

But then, even though you say Grissom shouldn't have even been given a chance, you say Dusty was perfectly right by giving him among the most ABs on the team! In fact, he had 30% more at bats than Angel Pagan - someone who obviously did have a chance to make the team!

So Dusty should be praised for giving a lot of ABs to someone who shouldn't have been on the team in the first place?

Thanks for the laugh.

Grissom was being auditioned to see if he had anything left in the tank, of course he was going to get AB's. Pie and Greenberg weren't going to make the team anyway and god bless they don't. Greenberg is nothing special and Pie still needs a bit more minor league seasoning and if he's lucky, Baker gone and a manager who knows how to develop rookies when he is ready for the show.

Baker was calling for Grissom to make the roster just a few days ago because of his veteran moxy, I certainly believe this is a case of Grissom saving us from ourselves

Calling out Hendry for bringing him into camp is ridiculous. The guy has hit lefties well in the past and is the veteran presence that Baker has been bitching about since Eric Karros left. It was an NRI, it didn't cost the Cubs ANYTHING and no one is going to care about this tomorrow. If anything, let's start applauding Hendry for picking up Angel Pagan on the cheap. This is what spring training is all about.

I think it's likely that Ryan Theriot will be the temporary 14th position player (25th man) the first couple of weeks of the season, until the Cubs need a 5th starter on April 15th, at which time Theriot will be sent to Iowa. Theriot is an athletic defender, can play 2B-SS-3B as well as the OF, he can PR, and he also has excellent plate discipline and can draw a walk leading off an inning as a pinch-hitter (He has nine walks in 29 PA and a .433 OBP this Spring, even though he is only hitting .200).

I can't see Dusty going with an 11-man pitching staff (six-man bullpen) once the 5th starter is recalled. A six-man bullpen is not Dusty's style. Dusty likes a seven-man bullpen.

So if the Cubs add Restovich to the 40-man roster for only two weeks as the temporary 14th position player, just until the #5 starter is needed, there are three problems with that:

1. Restovich is out of options, and would have to clear irrevocable waivers to get sent down.

2. Restovich has been outrighted once before in his career, so if the Cubs outright him again, even if he clears waivers, he can be a FA.

3. A guy like Restovich probably signed a minor league split contract, where he gets a higher salary once he is added to the 25-man regular season roster, probably $600,000 (major league) versus $150,000 (minor league).

It would be better to have Restovich playing everyday at AAA while making "minor league money," as insurance in case Derrek Lee, Matt Murton, or Jacque Jones get hurt and miss an extended period. That's where Restovich would be most valuable, as an experienced Plan "B" right-handed platoon with John Mabry at 1B, in LF, or in RF. A two-week temp gig off the bench in April isn't worth it.

Now, if Dusty decides to go with 11 pitchers indefinitely (past April 15th), THEN there would be a place for Restovich hitting off the bench. But somehow I can't see Dusty doing that, especially with three pitchers (Wood, Prior, and Miller) probably returning from the DL in May and June, and not being able to shoulder a full-workload of pitching for a while.

other then the potential salary issues, Restovich couldn't find a home all winter, so I doubt we'd have many problems having him clear waivers or trying to latch onto another team.

I hope DLee is just going through a mourning stage right now... let's hope that he hits better when the season starts... he looked bad today, but can you really blame him?

Hey AZPhil, could you clarify Pagan's roster situation?

#32 of 32: By KarlH (March 28, 2006 07:07 PM)
I hope DLee is just going through a mourning stage right now... let's hope that he hits better when the season starts... he looked bad today, but can you really blame him?

Hey AZPhil, could you clarify Pagan's roster situation?

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KARLH: I would think Angel Pagan has certainly made the 25-man Opening Day roster and will be kept on it past April 15th, when the 5th starter is added. The only thing standing in Pagan's way of doing that was the decomposing body of Marquis Grissom, and that has been removed.

If such time arises sometime this season where the Cubs decide they want to send Pagan to AAA, he has two options left.

what did r.cedeno commit an error on today?

Restovich has really tanked at the plate. 13 K's (versus 10 hits) and .204 .250 .367

what's to like?

#35 of 35: By cubswinthepennant (March 28, 2006 07:16 PM)
Restovich has really tanked at the plate. 13 K's (versus 10 hits) and .204 .250 .367

what's to like?

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CWtP: Restovich has swung & missed more than any player in camp, but he also has displayed plus-power at times (when he isn't striking out!).

So I suspect Hendry still probably values Restovich as an experienced Plan "B" RF-LF-1B option he'd like to maintain at Iowa in case Lee, Murton, or Jones go on the DL at some point in the season.

But I just can't see Restovich making the Opening Day 25-man roster, for the reasons I listed in Post #30.

Is it just me or does the fact that historically slow starting D Lee has missed so much time this spring worry anyone else?

E: Cedeno 2 (4, throw, throw)

okay...so both errors were throws.

seriously...what is up with that.

if there's anything anyone can agree on about cedeno, its that his glove AND arm are both high-end plus pieces to his game.

since he showed up to winter ball, his arm has been sketchy as hell and its continued into spring. very odd...

I'm worried... very worried that the Cubs will go on a 5 game winning streak in April or May and Dusty will be given an extension.

cedeno's being fooled greatly by breaking pitches...swinging wildly at them or making crap contact.

his arm is being unpredictable. he could literally play himself out of a job this week if he keeps it up. its his D that earned him promotions through the cubs system to begin with.

dusty said the job is his, but what cedeno is doing lately isnt helping his case.

neifi is hitting better, especially the last two weeks, but that has little to do with it from where i'm standing. cedeno's glove and contact hitting is what earned him the nod to begin with...if that's a question...then what?

hopefully cedeno can find his arm and keep sucking up balls hit toward him...a few good contact hits would help the cause, too.

I really don't see much upside of Cedeno starting of Neifi. I really don't think that Ronny will hit much better and we know he won't field as well.

thnx phil...ive only seen him in 3 spring games and just culled that with what ive seen vs. reports from winter ball. that info helps a lot.

neifi/cedeno are pretty much locked in as 'the' guys this year...i understand the nod to cedeno, and prefer it to start the year, but i'm concerned about cedeno's locked-in tools suddenly dissapearing more than i'm worried about his hitting.

rushing throws cuz of excitement or not knowing his runners is a hell of a lot better than chuck knoblouch disease.

prior threw 30 from 60ft. today, no pain...flat ground.

AZ Phil:
"Restovich has swung & missed more than any player in camp, but he also has displayed plus-power at times (when he isn't striking out!)."

So basically he is Jason Dubois?? WOO!! WOO!!

MANNY T: Yes, he is basically Jason Dubois.

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Cedeno is on the verge of pulling a Bobby Hill. Had the job given to him and then CHOKES it up in ST, both at the plate AND in the field.

I can see a short hook now might be in order with Cedeno and rigthfully so. He should get a few weeks into teh season, but if he can't right this ship, they will have to turn to Neifi to at least get GG defense out there.

dubois has a ton more power...and sadly is wilder, too.

dub's got some unreal power, but one of the ugliest swings ive seen in my life.

cleveland's spending a lot of time with him. they brought him up for like a month and 1/2 without giving him a single a/b just for the sake of coaching him in the bigs.

he's ripping up spring, but he's still a longshot to find a starting job. he could steal some ab's if he sticks or if he learns 1st base. at least he's in a DH league now.

Manny T: That is very possible. That very well could happen

This is good news. I would like to see Pagan and Ryu make the team, and the possibility has been brought up that J.Williams could end up in the pen making room for Marshall or Guzman in the rotation for the season.

Heck, it could be Rob Deer for all I care, but right now our bench consists of:

Neifi/Ronny
Hairston/Walker
Pagan
Blanco
Mabry

Call me crazy but a guy who could actually hit a homer late in the game might be a better idea over another guy who'll make contact, but hit it no more then 150 feet. I don't think Restovich is anything special but him or Sing would serve a far greater purpose over Theriot on the team as it stands at the moment.

Rob G.-
I agree wioth you on that. If it is between Theriot and Restovich, I would pick Restovich, but I hope we can come up with a better option that Jason Dubois Jr.

I wouldn't be shocked to see Hendry go and pick-up a scrap heap outfielder, ala a Ben Grieve, to fill out the bench instead of using Restovich. We'll just have to see what else comes through the waiver wire in the next few days.

It would be nice if Hendry could have gone out and got a better power bat for the bench without having to worry about them replacing Murton in the lineup because of their veteran moxie.

Of course, despite not needing a 5th starter for several weeks, I'm not totally convinced the Cubs still won't break camp with 12 pitchers.

aardvark, a.guzman, ryu optioned to AAA...casey kop. to minor league camp...roster at 30.

Restovich, Dubois, whatever.... If they were flawless, they'd be starters, but at least they serve a purpose. I'd try Sing cause even if all he can do is hit a fastball, that's 50% of most reliever's repetoires. At least he's got good patience and a decent eye (of course so does Restovich).

Of course I'd trade for Craig Wilson, but if they're holding onto him for a veteran righty, there's really nothing the Cubs could offer....

I agree wioth you on that. If it is between Theriot and Restovich, I would pick Restovich, but I hope we can come up with a better option that Jason Dubois Jr.

Theriot can basically do everything Neifi can, minus the showy aspects of his defense, plus about 40 pts. of OBP. But he doesn't make 2.5 mil, so having him on the team is redundant.

Restovich isn't Clemente out there, but he isn't as bad as Snowshoes Dubois. I don't see that the issues Phil listed are dealbreakers, since I don't see anytime this year when the Cubs aren't going to need a lefty-mashing backup RF/1B/PH, so I'm not seeing why they would have to option him. Pierre doesn't take many days off and Pagan will be turning into an orange orb with a stem by the time the team plane passes over Kankakee, so there's your roster flexibility right there.

Talking about Sing, didn't he get sent down awhile ago? Someone threw me off by mentioning him earlier, so he's not an option.

Looks like it will come down to Restovich or Theriot

and

Marshall, Hill, Koronka, Wuertz and possibly Novoa I suppose, although I guess he's around just to get in a game or two before Opening Day.

Also Wood and Prior put on DL. From same press release about roster cuts.

So since they are on DL, does that mean roster is down to 28 now??

Ryan Dempster
Scott Eyre
Rich Hill
Bob Howry
John Koronka
Greg Maddux
Sean Marshall
Roberto Novoa
Will Ohman
Glendon Rusch
Jerome Williams
Scott Williamson
Michael Wuertz
Carlos Zambrano
Michael Barrett
Henry Blanco
Ronny Cedeno
Derrek Lee
Neifi Perez
Aramis Ramirez
Ryan Theriot
Todd Walker
Jerry Hairston
Jacque Jones
John Mabry
Matt Murton
Angel Pagan
Juan Pierre

Novoa has been out most of ST, so he won't make final cut as he will go on DL. So that leaves 2 more cuts (Theriot and Koronka/Marshall/WEurtz).

the press release said 30 right now, I believe Wade Miller is still one of them, certain to be put on the DL and Restovich is the other one that should be on that list.

novoa was back in camp and throwing (not off the mound) in case it hasnt been mentioned. he's supposedly over (or close enough to over) his illness.

in other injury news, seattle's j.reed who's been on the shelf a while with a broken wrist...well, they found out its not broken and he's resumed baseball activities.

Good catch Rob G.

Thanks!!!

The official MLB service times out of the NL Green Book are out for all the players. Here are the one that are less than 6 years.

Zambrano - 4.042
Pierre - 5.056
Prior - 3.131
Hairston - 5.138
Ohman - 3.040
Williams - 2.075
Wuertz - 1.086
Aardsma - 0.062
Cedeno - 0.108
Dopirek - 0.000
Guzman - 0.000
Hill - 0.061
Koronka - 0.046
Marmol - 0.000
Marshall - 0.000
Moore - 0.000
Murton - 0.087
Novoa - 0.169
Pagan - 0.000
Pie- 0.000
Reyes - 0.000
Ryu - 0.000
Soto - 0.027
Theriot - 0.021
Miller - 4.127 (thru 2004)
Restovich - 1.123 (thru 2004)

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