Make It Stop

GAME THIRTY-THREE IN-GAME DISCUSSION THREAD [PARACHAT] CHICAGO CUBS (14-18, 5th, 6.5 GB) AT SAN FRANCISCO GIANTS (16-17, 4th, 3.0 GB) Telephone Company Park, 9:15 PM CDT Weather: 63 degrees, clear, Wind Out to CF @ 17mph TV: CSN Radio: WGN, XM 189
Matt Cain, RHP 1-4, 6.27 ERA, 33 IP 26 K, 13 BB, 8 HRCarlos Zambrano, RHP 0-2, 4.43 ERA, 40.2 IP
6 HRTake A Freaking Pitch, SS *Out Machine, CF *Wishing He Got Traded, 2B Stop Gawking, Start Hitting, 3B *Desperate Times, Desperate Measures, 1B Pull A Pitch, LF *Fragile Ego, RF Hank To The Rescue, C #Drill Bonds for Me, P*Randy Winn, RF #Omar Vizquel, SS *Mark Sweeney, 1B *The Devil Incarnate, LF *Steve Finley, CF Pedro Feliz, 3B Kevin Frandsen, 2B Mike Matheny, C Matt Cain, P
Matt Cain's a pretty high-end prospect who's struggled out of the gate in 2006. I'm sure tonight will be a huge confidence booster for the kid. At least with Z on the mound, the chances of Bonds getting drilled skyrocket. Do something!


9-ish CDT start, no?

Awesome lineup description.

yeah sorry, I'm on PST.

Plunk Bonds! PLUNK!!!!!!

I can't stand lookin gup the result of each game evry morning.b Today, I saw a headline on FOX that said "Cubs Outfielder Robs Bonds of #714".

Cubs Outfielder

That's what Pierre is to FOX. I know FOX isn't the authority, but I thought it was funny. Obviously Pierre pales in any sort of comparion to Bonds on any stat, any split, etc. FOX didn't feel it necessary to name Pierre.

Back to important matters, I want Z to plunk Bonds one time too few to get tossed. I hate that prick.

Love the names in the lineup... what a hoot!

Did anyone think Pierre would be this horrible? Did anyone see this coming? I hated him and knew he sucked shit through a straw and was pissed when we traded THREE prospects to get him, but even I didn't think he'd be THIS bad. And through 120 plus AB's!!! This is not a fluke! This is his season!


Good job by Cedeno to get on base leading off teh inning, good job stealing 2nd, good job by pierre bunting him over and Walker put teh ball in play for teh RBI. NICE!!

GOOD BASEBALL by all 3 guys.

i didn't think he would be this bad, but the biggest problem with the trade is not getting him, but giving up 3 pitching prosects for him and basically having to no plan to sign him long term. If we don't resign him, then hendry rented a player for a year and gave away 3 pitching prospects....UGH

Good lineup description. Just wanted to let you know your link to Jacque Jones is incorrect. Thanks for thr good work.

good first inning fundamental baseball. just wondering what took so long to make a change? guess in the baker book you have to get an officiall letter from the "mendoza line" committee that one of your players is approaching to make adjustments.

Wow...Murton gets on base and then Jones launches a home run...Nice start for the Cubs tonight...up 3-1 in the 2nd inning...we haven't seen this type of momentum in weeks...;-)

Yeah, that was great fundamental baseball- right up until the point that Carlos didn't cover first for that double play. WHAT THE FUCK!?!?!! Then it cost him a run and how many extra pitches. I can't fucking believe this shit. And he still had that stupid smirk on his face. Steve Stone just said on the Score on Monday that over the last three years "you still have pitchers not covering first." Stoney is a god. I blame Carlos first- but they're paying Dusty $4 million a year to have pitchers still not cover first base on a routine double play- what the fuck is he managing exactly?

So you think Dusty should bench Carlos for not covering the bag? Send a message?? If not, what else do you want him to do? Yell at him?? Derrke Lee teh otehr day said all those kind of mistakes aer addressed in the clubhouse, so again, what else do you want him to do? Rip him in the press or make a scene in the dugout? Pitchers work on covering the bag 1,000 times in ST. This is the big leagues, they know what they need to do. The players we have just aren't very good...


You're right- there's not a whole lot he can do about it. But, all I want is someone, anyone, on the Cubs to mention it. If the Cubs win tonight, it won't matter. Hell, it's not a huge deal at this point. But I wouldn't say they work on those things 1000 times in ST, at least not the Cubs. Otherwise it wouldn't happen as often as it does with this frickin team. And why do those things only get worked on in ST? Do they go into a mental lapse once April 1 hits the calendar? Perhaps Dusty could say something like, "Before batting practice tomorrow I want all the pitchers on the field to practice covering first."

Bill Parcells tells a great story about these types of miscues. When he was starting out as a position coach, he was going over certain fundamentals/execution with one of his players about a particular scheme. When the game came and that same player blew the scheme- despite having worked on it tirelessly with Parcells- Parcells berated him for it. Then the head coach came over (I don't know who it was at the time) and berated Parcells. When Parcells mentioned how it's out of his hands once the player takes the field, the head coach told him that it's the coach's fault for not making sure the player understood how to execute the scheme. Parcells uses that allusion to illustrate the point that winning coaches/managers take accountability for player's mental lapses, even when you have every right to blame the player. Blame Carlos first, yes. But fucking blame Dusty too- not for one isolated instance, but for 3+ years of the same broken record when it comes to fundamentals- or lack there of.

If Big Z keeps walking too many players the Cubs will have trouble staying ahead of the Giants.

Mabry has looked like a gold glover at 1B tonight.

Hey Giants fans (not that there's Giants fans on here)- Bonds just struck out on a fat two seamer down the pipes. Now go back to your cell phones and conversations you suckasses. A bunch of Bonds apologists and wagon jumpers, hope your $85 nosebleeds are worth the 65 seconds you pay attention.

Manny- now that was a nice play at first by Z. That's sound fundamental baseball baby. The way I like to see it. Looks like he indeed learned his lesson.

not good baseball by Mabry. 0 outs and guys on 2nd and 3rd and can't get him in...UGH


Holy shit- 6 runs in one game? Save 'em guys, save em. We may need them for our next 8 game slide.

I will say this- I'm not a Jockstrap Jones fan at this point- but that was a nice hustle play with the bases loaded to get to second. That's 3 hits and 4 RBI for JJ. Probably his entire May output, but I'll take it dude.

to second someone's comments from on here a few days ago, "i wish i could quit you, cubs"

i just checked the standings and schedule. apparently all it takes is 6 good innings and i get my hopes up again. yikes. i am still of the persuasion that this division really sucks (actually, the whole NL kinda sucks). we shall see.

Jones is FINALLY turning into an RBI machine...Ramirez is getting timely hits...Murton is more patient at the plate...Pierre is getting on base and running well...It's 6-1 lead and the Cubs are starting to build up some serious momentum...The offense is waking up (with a little help from the young Giants pitcher)...Yet, I like this 6-1 lead and I want to see Dempster close out a game...It's time to start to reverse this streak and go for another win with Marshall starting for the Cubs tomorrow.

Jacque Jones bandwagon accepting applications.

Zambrano has settled down and I think he has retired at least 7 in a row now...He is very talented but his challenge is focussing and throwing strikes when he really needs to.

Dear RobG:

Well done sir. You realize you're going to have to come up with NEW sardonic nicknames for the starting 9 for the rest of the season, right?

I don't know who the Fox SF color man is on the MLB extra innings package, but he made an excellent observation re: Aramis' 2 run double -- very nice to see Aramis FINALLY hit the outside fastball to RF with authority. He's been trying to pull the ball like crazy in just about all rbi situations -- seems he's at his best (see 2004) when he's hitting ropes to RF/RF-CF on outside fastballs.

Cubs win! Cubs win! Oh my God, it's over!!! It's really over!!!

I take clain on this win! The reverse net name is now 1-0!!
Go Cubs!!!


It s a miracle.....

Yes is a miracle that anyone would trust Dusty... :)

The Cubs win in a convincing way...where has this offense been in the last 10 days...? Lets hope the Cubs can build on this momentum and win the series against the Giants -- It's time to start a real winning streak...we're 3 games below .500 and The Cubs have LOTS of ground to make up in a tough division.

I looked down at my turkey sandwich and swear I saw the shadow of Jesus Christ looking back at me. He was crying with happiness. It's a mircle!!!

"Yes is a miracle that anyone would trust Dusty... :)"

I think the same way about Hendry...:)

Just released by the Chicago Tribune's Phil Rogers...

Hendry's indecision hurts Cubs

May 11, 2006

Well done sir. You realize you're going to have to come up with NEW sardonic nicknames for the starting 9 for the rest of the season, right?

Apparently this team was in need of some tough love, it's not always about hugs and kisses, sometimes you have to call them out. :)

I definitely have to keep it up until they lose again. Never f*** with a winning streak.

Good lineup description. Just wanted to let you know your link to Jacque Jones is incorrect. Thanks for thr good work.

thanks, damn autolinking, grabbed the wrong jones.

phil rogers hacky ass self mailed that article in...

he makes a "shocking" headline and then doesnt even get to the point about hendry til the last 3-4 paragraphs of his rant.

the hack thing about it is he KNOWS better...he's been at this a long time and he knows what he's trying to do there. maybe he's not getting enough "clicks" compared to other columnists...maybe ESPN isn't giving him enough work...maybe he feels he's the man to put the pressure on hendry, though hendry's not exactly sitting on his ass over the 1st base situation.

You know I just felt better seeing this line-up toinight. Putting Mabry at 1B makes more sense than having Hairston (Puke) or Perez (Dry-heave-puke). Although it really is all about the pitching. If we get this type of pitching little bitch offense or not, we can win just like the Asros and Sox did last year. Speaking of the Astros it made me feel a little better knowing they've dropped 6 straight themselves.

You guys can end the commando rally now. Congratulations! (You don't have to stop if you don't want to...)

Re: Dusty and the covering first thing, consider how Scott Skiles would handle an analogous problem for the Bulls. Even after wins, Skiles always makes sure everyone is clear about his level of satisfaction in the performance.

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  • "trout's one of the best, and at this point should probably win over donaldson (and should have more MVPs in the past, too), but the defensive aspect of valuing WAR still needs more tweaking...imo."

    that's from my 1st post. there's no suck involved in that. maybe with a few less posts about bullshit that point would have jumped out more.

    crunch 12 sec ago view
  • crunch - you do know that, taking defense out of the equation, Trout has led the AL in wRC+ each of those years, right?

    And, if you want to complain about position adjustment (which would be serious #crunchsplaining), he's been in the top 3 in the AL in WC (not park/league/position adjusted). And the only players ahead of him (if there were any players ahead of him) in any of those years have been DHs or 1B that play lousy defense.

    But sure - Trout sucks (or at least isn't as good as WAR says). Because it factors in defense and position.

    big_lowitzki 1 hour 1 min ago view
  • early tim tebow stuff rolling in...

    ran a 6.7 60yd (above average)...shagging flies in RF and showed off a rather impressive arm a few times, but average-at best on most of his throws...hit a few over the fence (both fields), fouled or weak contact a few...he's got a touch of power

    it'll be interesting to see who bites on this project, if anyone. he probably projected himself out of RF and into LF/1st because of his arm, but unless he can make that power work on a steady basis it'll be hard for him to play himself up anyone's system.

    crunch 1 hour 46 min ago view
  • LHP Clayton Richard (released by the Cubs earlier this month) is pitching very well as a starting pitcher for the San Diego Padres and could be a good candidate to get traded to a contender looking for a veteran SP before tomorrow night's post-season roster eligibility deadline.

    Because they released him, the Cubs are paying most of Richard's 2016 salary (the Cubs are on the hooks for $2M, minus the pro-rated portion of the MLB minimum salary that is paid by the Padres).

    Arizona Phil 3 hours 33 min ago view
  • it is honestly awesome (for real) that anyone would even have a strong opinion on AZL playoffs. i guess if you invest enough time watching it, you want to see a fair/just playoff structure.

    plus, the kids deserve it.

    crunch 3 hours 34 min ago view
  • The AZL team with the best record over the course of the full 2016 AZL season and the only AZL team to play .600 ball (the AZL Dodgers) did not qualify for the AZL playoffs, and the AZL East Division team with the best record over the course of the full season (the AZL Athletics) did not qualify for the AZL playoffs, either. 

    That's because of the ridiculous "split season" schedule most of the minor leagues now play, a stupid system that rewards mediocrity at the expense of the worthy. 

    Arizona Phil 3 hours 41 min ago view
  • Despite good movement on his fastball, I think location kept him from getting Ks. Left some pitches up and away that got hammered up and away. Then of course Travis Wood gave up the 2-run double in the 7th, but both runs counted against Arrieta.

    Charlie 4 hours 17 min ago view
  • "i'm gonna make you my main squeeze one day, bro. save the date."

    This level of discourse is #charming.


    Tito 4 hours 18 min ago view
  • I would be having this discussion with anyone who (a) blathered on ad nauseum about the topic. (See, "Olt, Mike, not given an opportunity") or (b) responded directly to what I posted (which you did).

    Have a nice day.


    Tito 4 hours 20 min ago view
  • what would you do without me? aside from having your posting content here cut by 75%+?

    i'm gonna make you my main squeeze one day, bro. save the date.

    crunch 4 hours 24 min ago view
  • In this instance, yes, I care more about the result of this big thing that isn't really a big thing.








    Tito 4 hours 24 min ago view
  • Two things:

    Fangraphs WAR #s include baserunning and Hamilton is elite at that. He leads in SBs with the 54 and and has an 87% rate which is really good. I'm sure once he gets on base he's able to take the extra base quite often too. Both those things will up his overall WAR value.

    The differences between BR and FG WAR is pretty well documented online and thus If there are discrepancies it's fairly easy to figure out why. It's fairly well accepted that BR WAR is fine as a snapshot but FG is better at predicting future value.

    johann 4 hours 28 min ago view
  • i have no doubt at all you quit reading at that point. you're very enamored with outcomes without caring what it takes to get there.

    the fact it's exploitable, especially without someone to cover the running game for him, as well it's evolution in how people are testing possible exploits is interesting to some me...i'm some people...hurrah.

    some people want to check the boxscore to see who won, some want to know how it went down.

    crunch 4 hours 41 min ago view
  • I read it as him saying it's not really that much of a concern and that the one time it really cost Lester, vs. K.C., was an anomaly.


    Tito 4 hours 46 min ago view
  • if jeff says it, it's cool...when i say it, it's straight from the mouth of hitler.

    aside from the lack of jeff touching on the insane leads runners take and lester's inability to throw if he's fielding, this is a lot of what i've said about the issue.

    exploitable, needs his own personal catcher to control his shortcomings, relies on his ability to get outs along with his personal catcher keeping runners in check before things become further exploited...

    crunch 4 hours 49 min ago view
  • That would be Rice Krispy Treat

    The E-Man 6 hours 7 min ago view