Another Series, Another Sweep

I'm going to go watch football. GAME ONE HUNDRED-FORTY-THREE IN-GAME DISCUSSION THREAD [PARACHAT] CHICAGO CUBS (56-85, (Draft) 2nd, 2.5 GB) AT ATLANTA BRAVES (68-73, (WC) 7th, 5 GB) Turner Field, 12:05 pm CDT Weather: Partly Cloudy, 81 degrees, Wind from R to L @ 9 mph TV: WGN, DirecTV 734 Radio: WGN, XM 184
Lance Cormier, RHP 2-4, 5.26 ERA, 53 IP 27 K, 31 BB, 3 HR
stJuan Mateo, RHP 1-2, 5.10 ERA, 30 IP 21 K, 11 BB, 4 HR 317/384/488 against
*Juan Pierre, CF *Freddie Bynum, 2B Aramis Ramirez, 3B *Jacque Jones, RF Matt Murton, LF *John Mabry, 1B Henry Blanco, C Ronny Cedeno, SS Juan Mateo, P Willy Aybar, 3B Marcus Giles, 2B Edgar Renteria, SS *Adam LaRoche, 1B *Brian McCann, C Jeff Francoeur, RF Matt Diaz, LF *Ryan Langerhans, CF Lance Cormier, P
Cubs vs. Cormier: No Cubs with more than 10 Ab's Braves vs. Mateo: No Braves with more than 10 Ab's


glad to see Mabry and Bynum get starts...our fearless management somewhere is planning for next season, but clearly not here

jim hendry = GM, supplies tools
dusty baker = manager, uses tools

if hendry insisted on the florida/oakland stance of having a GM telling a manager what to'd need a patsy manager who takes orders from suits like they got.

OK, so the reason Freddie Bynum is playing is that his family traveled 8 hours from their home in North Carolina to see the game...and bless him, he homers for them.

Maybe Hendry shoulda paid for the family of all the starters to attend earlier in the year. Sheesh.

hehe...hell, im from NC and i have NO idea where that "town" he's from is located...

Fredi likes kids, the good way. Fredi is a role model. Fredi is a proven winner. Fredi is... amazing.


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Who are the top concensus picks looking at the 07 draft? Any pitchers who could be ready for the bigs next September a la Andrew Miller?

Mateo actually pitched fairly well, 6ks and only 2 BBs. Only six innings and 100 pitches, but that's to be expected.

Guys like David Price (Vanderbilt) and Robert Stock (before he committed to USC) were the concensus top two pitchers in the draft. And no, there really isn't a pitcher that is going to be ready before next fall. But it don't matter with the Cubs, cause they got a couple of good looking kids in Gallagher and Veal that is going to be close or will be ready in 07, so whoever the Cubs take with their Top 5 pick, won't have to be rushed.

And no, the Cubs got one more game before they are swept.

For those who thought May and June was an aberration of what an abomination this club is, I guess the last three weeks have resolved that question. This year's version of the Cubs now ranks with the 1974, the 1980, and 1981 version of the Cubs.

One handicap is the inability of the Cubs under the McPhail/Lynch/McPhail/Hendry regime is the complete inability to develop position players who can star at the major league level. We are now talking eleven years and not one player came out of the farm system to be at least above major league average regular until Matt Murton (who is really a product of the Boston farm system). Further, the guys traded away (Choi, Brendan Harris, Bobby Hill) have all busted out. Going back to Himes/Frey reign of chaos, we are now talking almost talking sixteen years.

Crunch, I don't think Florida/Oakland are comparable. First, in Florida, the problem is the owner who is a rich spoiled brat, not the GM who is pretty shrewd. And from what I read, Girardi is not a patsy. Second, I know the arguement that until Oakland wins a Word Series he has done nothing, which is utter nonsense. Oakland has 1/4th the payroll as the Yankees and half the payroll of California, and yet they still compete.

I don't expect any big changes from the Cubs. They believe there plan as perfect. They will offer up Dusty as a sacrifice, and then move back to plan A with Prior, Wood, Zambrano, Miller, and either Hill or Mateo in the rotation. I expect they will resign Pierre, but that Ramirez will exercise his right to escape (California, Boston (who will probably let Lowell go) or the Dodgers may pursue him). As the Cubs will find some journeyman to replace him, with (oft-injured) Izturis at SS and Cedeno (yeek!) at 2B, Lee at 1b, and Barrett (who may be wondering at this point about this catcher thing - like many posters on TCR he may say "move me to the outfield."). The team will win 75 games and management will point to the "improvement." However, if attendance and ratings crash next season, then the marketing department (which really runs the Cubs) may send a note to Andy on his yacht to tell him that changes must be made ala post 2001 and post 1997, to sell the product to the "marks" and Hendry dispatched to baseball oblivion (where is Ed Lynch these days?)

any GM that tells a manager how and where to play his players is a rollover in my book. consolation and back/forth to agree on something is one thing, but taking orders on how to run your team from anyone but the manager in my book is an exception to the rule.

i really didnt know this was an issue in florida until recently, but its a long standing thing in oakland.

where is Ed Lynch these days?

ed lynch (note small case) is still on the payroll as a special assignmnet scout to Hendry

no ground gained today...KC, TB, PITT and CHC all were LOSERS.


nice company we keep

that's code for "excess front office help we wanna keep around from going to other clubs".

its weird...teams collect help like this to assign random scouting tasks or "consulting". its almost like a AAAA-player who's 28 years old without much of a chance to get called up to a post in the "bigs".

guys like gary hughs and ed lynch...executives who are familiar with processes and people already in place.

on the flip there's guys you keep around cuz you might have a legit future use for when davey johnson signed with WAS a few months ago as an assistant to the GM (not to be confused with a "real" assistant GM who's usually labeled an executive assistant).

screwed up executive secretary's pool. =p, i got no idea exactly wtf they got lynch doing. heh...

I know the season is over for them, but a win here and there would be nice... geesh.

I guess as far as losses go, this was a bearable one. It was actually a good game with good pitching on both sides.

I say for next year, during those times Dempster forgets how to pitch, Aardsma should be closer. His stuff is wicked.

#6 of 16: By WPZ's Committee for Obtaining Schmidt (September 10, 2006 03:20 PM)
Who are the top concensus picks looking at the 07 draft? Any pitchers who could be ready for the bigs next September a la Andrew Miller?

#8 of 16: By CJ (September 10, 2006 03:49 PM)
Guys like David Price (Vanderbilt) and Robert Stock (before he committed to USC) were the concensus top two pitchers in the draft.


WPZ & CJ: C-RHP Robert Stock WAS the consensus #1 high school player, but he has already enrolled at USC (he skipped his senior year in high school, because he is some kind of genius), so he will not be available to be drafted until after his Junior year at USC. Otherwise, he might have been a possible #1 overall pick.

However, I believe the top pick in next June's Rule 4 Draft will be a college guy.

Just based upon their performances this Summer in the Cape Cod League or with Team USA, AS THINGS STAND RIGHT NOW, the top three or four picks in next June's Rule 4 Draft could well be:

1. Andrew Brackman, RHP (NC State)
NOTE: At NC State on a basketball scholarship (he is a 7'0 245 center), Brackman was one of the top two pitchers in the Cape Cod League this Summer. He throws an overpowering fastball (consistently throws 94-96 and has touched 99), with a plus splitter and a "tight" slider. His mechanics are considered very good, especially for a pitcher of his size. Brackman is an outstanding talent who will probably be the first 7-footer to pitch in MLB (perhaps as a Cub?).

2. David Price, LHP (Vanderbilt)
NOTE: Polished 6'6 power-lefty (mid-90's heater and a devastating slider), Price was projected as the most-likely 2007 #1 pick prior to the 2006 season, but he struggled with his mechanics at Vandy during the SEC regular season. However, he got his mechanics straightened-out, and has been the shut-down ace of Team USA this Summer, and is once again considered a possible #1 overall pick.

3. Matt Wieters, C-1B-RHP (Georgia Tech)
NOTE: Another guy who starred in the Cape Cod League this past Summer (he was rated as the "official" CCL top prospect by scouts), Wieters is considered probably the best pure college hitter who will be eligible for next June's draft. A 6'4 245 switch-hitter, Wieters also throws 94-98 MPH off the mound (he is Georgia Tech's closer) and so he obviously has a strong arm behind the plate. His catching mechanics supposedly need a lot of work, however, and he is not a fast runner, which is why he may play 1B if he doesn't make it as a catcher. Even though he throws high-octane "gas" off the mound, he is just too good of an offensive player to be a used as a pitcher.

4. J. P. Arencibia, C (Tennessee)
NOTE: 6'1 195 right-handed hitter, Arencibia was the #1 catcher for Team USA this Summer (he was World University Games tournament MVP in Havana, hitting .412 with four HR & 23 RBI in just eight games). He could evolve into the top pick by next June.

Fun fact, in September, Cubs pitchers lead the majors in Ks, HRs given up, and HBPs!

Since AZPHIL took care of the college guys this should be an accurate estimation of the high-schoolers sans Robert Stock and I'm sure a few others here will opt for college.

1. Michael Main rhp
2. Justin Jackson ss
3. Matt Harvey rhp
4. Michael Burgess lf/rf
5. Jason Heyward of/1b
6. Nick Noonan ss
7. Tanner Robles lhp
8. Neil Ramirez rhp
9. Jarrod Parker rhp (Indiana boy)


Mussina Body. Arm is lightning quick, live and produces electric stuff. FB tops at 97 and sits at 94 mph with good, late, heavy arm-side bore. Knocked the bat out of some good hitters' hands here. Curve 77-79 mph with hard, tight rotation with downer action. Changeup 76-80 mph, late at the plate, arm-side fade with heavy sink, good arm-speed and deception on the pitch. Weaknesses are he overthrows at times to try and light up the radar guns and at times leaves the ball up and over the plate. Can pitch at 94 though. Stuff projects down the road to have three plus pitches with command, can be a No. 1 type starter in the future. Needs to work on maintaining delivery, it has some effort in it now.

Translation, Main has the stuff to be a true #1 but since his delivery could be sketchy the Cubs should probably pass as the organization has zero track-record of altering a hurler's delivery...Kerry Wood I'm looking at you pal.

As always, things will chance atop the board by next June as many will drop and others will rise. Andrew Miller was the consensus #1 at this time last year and he fell a little this past June with a slight dip in performance this season at UNC...though some people actually believe he tanked it a little to fall to the Cubs by only throwing 2 seamers the majority of the year and not running up that mid-90's 4 seamer...fwiw, not sure anyone else really believes that. Hopefully a less touted college positional player will emerge as Evan Longoria from Miami did this past season. I'd prefer a positional prospect myself.

Despite a 4 run 8th inning comeback, the Boise Hawks season ended as they couldn't overcome the early 6 runs they had given up to Salem. Final 6-4. Season over, but they certainly have alot of interesting prospects to watch next year including their last two years of 1st rounders (Pawalek/Colvin). Most of them will be at Peoria next year...and should put a smile on Jody Davis (assuming he's back with the Chiefs)

no love for freedy freeman.

HS 1st/LF-pitcher type...another "forget the pitching" type cuz of his power.

"I know the season is over for them, but a win here and there would be nice... geesh."

Overall, I don't think the Cubs management care about wins at this point, they just want the youngsters to play and they have and we have lost. No surprises...

It would be nice not to lose 100 games, but losing 95, 97 or 100 is no difference to me. Just another shitty season.

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