The Last Right

In the new CBA that will cover the years 2007-11, the right of a player to demand a trade if dealt while in the midst of a multi-year contract will be eliminated. In the previous CBA, players with at least five years of MLB service time who signed a multi-year contract with one team and who got traded to a second team before the contract expired had the option to make a trade demand during the Free-Agency Filing Period (first 15 days after close of World Series) after the conclusion of their first season (and ONLY after the conclusion of the first season) with the new team. Although there are quite a few players who have had this right over the years, it has rarely been exercised. The last time a player exercised this right was a year ago, when Diamondbacks RHP Javier Vazquez demanded a trade. Vazquez had signed a multi-year free-agent contract with the Yankees in 2003, and was traded to AZ after the 2004 season as part of the Randy Johnson deal. The Diamondbacks could have ignored Vazquez's demand and taken a chance that Vazquez would either withdraw his trade demand or not exercise his right to be a FA on March 15th, but the Diamondbacks chose to get what they could get back for him and dealt him to the White Sox for three players (RHPs Orlando Hernandez and Luis Vizcaino, and top CF prospect Chris Young). If the Diamondbacks had not traded Vazquez, and if Vazquez had then exercised his right to be a free-agent on March 15th, the remaining years on his contract as of March 15, 2006 (worth $24M 2006-07) would have been voided. This year, there are 18 MLB players with at least five years of MLB service time who have the right to demand a trade, the last time this right will be available: PITCHERS: Kris Benson (BAL) - $8M through 2007, or $15M through 2008 Ray King (COL) - $2.85M through 2007 Damaso Marte (PIT) - $3.25M through 2007, or $6M through 2008 Odalis Perez (KC) - $9.25M through 2007, or $16.75M through 2008 CATCHERS: Paul LoDuca (NYM) - $6.25M through 2007 FIRST-BASEMEN: Carlos Delgado (NYM) - $34.4M through 2008 or $42.4M through 2009 Jim Thome (CHW) - $31M through 2008 or $41M through 2009 SECOND-BASEMEN: Luis Castillo (MIN) - $5.75M through 2007 SHORTSTOP: Cesar Izturis (CHC) - $4.45M through 2007 or $10M through 2008 Neifi Perez (DET) - $2.5M through 2007 Edgar Renteria (ATL) - $21M through 2008, or $29M through 2009 THIRD-BASEMEN: Russell Branyan (SD) - $1M through 2007 Troy Glaus (TOR) - $34.25M through 2009 Eric Hinske (BOS) - $5.625M through 2007 Corey Koskie (MIL) - $6.25M through 2007 or $12.25M through 2008 Mike Lowell (BOS) - $9M through 2007 OUTFIELDERS: Bobby Abreu (NYY) - $17.5M through 2007 or $31.5M through 2008 Marlon Anderson (LAD) - $925K through 2007
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Man Id love it if Cesar requested one.

Neifi is going to demand a trade to wherever Dusty winds up.

Nice list, I wouldn't mind a year of Benson at $6 million. Maybe his wife could do a Marla Collins (? long time ago) for Playboy.

BTW, the 15-day Free-Agency Filing Period (when players eligible to be a free-agent or eligible to demand a trade can file, and during which time clubs retain exclusive negotiating rights with their own free-agents) could begin as early as tomorrow, if the Cardinals defeat the Tigers tonight. And unless there is another World Series rain-out, the Free-Agency Filing Period will begin no later than Monday.

It is at this point when the Cubs will certainly exercise their club option and buy-out Kerry Wood's contract for $3M, allowing Woody to file for free-agency. It is also during this 15-day period when Henry Blanco, John Mabry, Wade Miller, and Juan Pierre, plus Wood, and also possibly Aramis Ramirez (if he exercises his player option to be a FA--and if the Cubs cannot re-sign him to a new contract or extension) can file for free-agency.

The Free-Agent Filing Period will end (again, barring any additional World Series rain-outs) on November 11, 12, or 13, depending on when the World Series concludes. It is at this point when all 30 clubs will be free to sign MLB Type XX free-agents.

This is the only of the few real concession the players made in the new CBA. I do think the way this right was structured made it not likely to be exercised. Principally, becoming a free agent on March 15 is pretty late. The idea that a player not named Roger Clemens would get a fair market price for his talents at that time is slim and none. Player salaries are a function of demand, but at that time team rosters should generally be set (unlike Nov-Dec).

Anything new on ARAM? I'm getting nervous.

All quiet on the Western Front, Rory.

when the bashing aramis article comes out in the trib, we'll know we're in trouble. That or the one praising Pedro Feliz.

As expected, the Cubs have hired long-time Piniella crony Matt Sinatro to be the new bullpen coach.

Still left to be hired is a hitting coach and 1st base coach. With Quade, Rothschild, Sinatro, and Trammell all white guys, one (or both) of the remaining coaches will be a minority hire.

Ron Jackson and Chris Chambliss it is....

money on Chambliss

http://tinyurl.com/sulgy

source "close to the Mets" saying they will not go after Soriano, Zito or try and trade for Manny Ramirez.

The Reds fired hitting instructor Chris Chambliss after the close of the 2006 season. And now, the rest of the story. (Hint: Not enough BABIP)

hitting coaches are probably the most worthless coaches in the bigs behind the 1b coach, but I love that Chambliss basically got fired cause the Reds offense nose-dived after trading Lopez and Kearns and they strikeout too much with Adam Dunn on the team. That seems justified....

And if the Reds want to change the look of their lineup, I'll take Ryan Freel, thank you. The Reds will trade any position player (like Sean Casey, Wily Mo Pena, Austin Kearns, and Felipe Lopez, for instance) for cheap pitchers, and as they proved last year in the deal for Juan Pierre, the Cubs have a boatload of young pitchers they can package in a trade.

I'd hit Freel-Theriot 1-2, play Freel in CF until Felix Pie is ready, and then use Freel as a super-sub 3B-2B-LF-CF-RF after Pie arrives.

A number of N.L. pitchers would have to be institutionalized if they had to face two cockroaches like Ryan Freel and Ryan Theriot at top of the Cubs batting order.

Word has it that Don Mattingly will be the new bench coach for Torre next year for the NYY.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2...

Sports radio in NY is basically saying he is being groomed for when Torre leaves. They did mention Girardi, but with the NYY leaning so heavy on former Yankees, most people here believe Mattingly will be picked over even Girardi.

It will be interesting to see what Girardi does next year if he strikes out on the NYY job, after striking out on the Cubs job. I like his idea of waiting till next year when the NYY job opens up, but if he doesn't think he will realistically get it, maybe it isn't such a good idea.

A hitting coach got fired because his team stopped hitting. How novel. Meanwhile, in Chicago, a pitching coach got rehired because his team stopped pitching...

Joe Girardi is a former Yankee.

Girardi's getting paid for the next 2 years by the Marlins. I don't think he needs to be in a rush to do anything.

Real Neal:
"Joe Girardi is a former Yankee."

Yes he is, sorry I meant REAL Yankee.

Rob G.:
"Girardi's getting paid for the next 2 years by the Marlins."

Yes, he is getting $750K each of the next 2 years plus whatever YES or FOX or whichever TV network pays him. But my guess is that doing TV is not what he wants to do. I think he wants to manage. I am sure he wanted one of the big jobs (Cubs or Yankees), and thought he would be able to land one of them, but now that seems out, so he really has no choice but to sit out and see what happens.

"I don't think he needs to be in a rush to do anything."

But weren't you the one who said there is a less than 1% chance that Girardi or Pineilla would sit out next year? I thought he would be the logical next choice for the NYY job, but if he can't get it, there aren't going to be many good jobs next year opening up unless something unforseen happens. Unless he is willing to take a job with a lower payroll team, he might be doing TV for awhile.

But weren't you the one who said there is a less than 1% chance that Girardi or Pineilla would sit out next year?

I said that?

Yes, he is getting $750K each of the next 2 years plus whatever YES or FOX or whichever TV network pays him.

Was there a buyout of some sort?

ignore that buyout thing, I didn't mean to send it.

my point remains though, Girardi doesn't have to do crap right now. He's a smart fella, get paid by the Marlins, take a cush broadcasting gig in the meantime and if a job he likes comes available, he'll listen. I'd be sitting at home with my family if someone was going to pay me 750,000 a year to do it.

Hell, Cubs job will be open in 3 years again most likely, if not sooner.

Why don't the Cubs hire Girardi and make him an assistant to Jim Hendry -- this way when LouPa explodes Joe can pick up the pieces. All kiding aside, why cant the Cubs find some reason to hire Joe outside of manager?

what is Joe going to do? why does anyone think he's qualified for a front office position besides his Northwestern degree? Why would Giradi want to do anything but manage and who would want them on their staff at the moment if they didn't know him personally? Lou puts him on his staff and your talking about nothing but controversy if the Cubs struggle.

Any manager that isn't completely safe in their job would be looking over their shoulder worrying that Girardi is pining for his job. Yanks is the only bench job that made sense cause him and Torre are friends and all, but there's a good chance that Girardi wouldn't want any part of that anyway.

http://www.pe.com/sports/baseball/angels/stor...

Kinzer said Ramirez would be seeking "six years for a lot of money" on the open market.

"With his age, we're looking for at least six years," he said. "We'll let the market dictate (price). This is going to be a very robust market."

that's anywhere between 6/78 to 6/90 ($13 to $15 mil average salary).

with all the hate/distrust/etc. thrown on professional coaches the subject of girardi, even when faced with evidence that he shares traits with people who are hated, is somehow on another level that's not worthy of criticism or objectivity.

just cuz the guy slapped on some catchers gear and gave a nice speech when kyle died it doesnt make him a hell of a manager.

his first 3 months in florida were a f'n disaster.

he hired a staff who couldnt even communicate with non-english speakers and carbon copied almost exactly yanks hired-gun clubhouse rules to apply to a bunch of kids.

when the cubs "accidently" win its in spite of dusty/baylor/etc...when girardi wins its cuz of his masterful leadership even if he's sharing the same traits as the villians he's being compared to.

what did girardi do to earn this status? people have been wanting him badly before he even managed his first game, some are willing to ignore his bad first missteps, and the guy isnt even very rounded in his ability to reach out to others.

http://desmoinesregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/ar...

Quade will also be the unofficial outfield coach and we have a "fiery" Lou Piniella citing...

Bids are due on the Trib today fwiw

http://tinyurl.com/yn343u

a decent article explaining there situation. Options include going private, selling all their assets or selling individual parts.

Rob G.:
"I said that?"

Yes you did on October 11, 2006 in the "Discovering Daisuke Matsuzaka" thread.

phil/etc...

do they have e.pat playing SS in AFL?

I was referring to your specific question that they were going to sit and wait around for the Yanks job, not managing in general. Nice try putting words in my mouth though....

I don't know about E-pat, but Scott Moore has played 1b, 3b, SS and LF so far.

I don't know if it's already been mentioned, but I just read that Bruce Bochy agreed to a three year contract manage the Giants (ugh); cue the boos.

That should read "three year contract TO manage the Giants." Sorry.

what did bochy do in SD to let him walk?

letting a guy explore other oportunities while a coach is one thing, but letting your manager openly search for managing work not only elsewhere, but within your own division, that's a weird one.

Why are we booing the Bochy move? Anyone read the conspiracy theory that the Giants will low-ball Bonds and so will the rest of MLB so he doesn't get Aaron's record?

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/...

I'd regain my faith in people if they did that :)

yeah, I believe the Padres didn't even ask for anything in return. How nice of them. Word had been brewing for awhile that Alderson wanted someone else in there, likely much cheaper. Isn't he the one who mentored Beane on the whole "managers are our bitches" and telling them how to act? I haven't read Moneyball in awhile though.

#29 of 33: By crunch (October 27, 2006 03:00 PM)
phil/etc...

do they have e.pat playing SS in AFL?

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CRUNCH: Eric Patterson is playing only 2B in the AFL, and he's not doing too well, either He looks very shaky in the field, almost like he is afraid to make an error (so then naturally he does). He seems to panic when the ball is hit to him, and then he makes a high throw, or he double clutches, or bobbles the ball, stuff like that. Offensively, he has been VERY good. He is a good bunter, and hits line drives into the gaps. And of course he has plus-speed and is a good base stealer.

As ROB G mentioned. Scott Moore is playing various positions (3B-SS-1B-LF), but he defintely looks much better playing the infield, especially 3B. He plays LF like Matt Murton plays LF, but with a better arm. I'm not sure I would give up on Moore as a SS just yet, either. He has pretty good range. Offensively, his plate discipline has been very good (he was third in the AFL in walks as of a couple of days ago), and (like E-Pat) he has been smoking the ball to all fields. I am very impressed with Moore as a hitter and with his plate discipline.

Jake Fox still can't hit a halfways good breaking ball, and he is likely to see more of those at the higher levels. He tries to pull everything and his head comes off the ball on almost every swing. He has yet to meet a fastball he doesn't like, though. He also swings at almost everything. But he can definitely pound the heater, and he has plus-power with a home run hitter's lofty upper-cut swing.

AZ PHIL:

Who would be the top comparable player to Jake Fox?

Alderson was Beane's mentor, which is odd because there is extreme hatred from people on these boards and others for Beane, but nay a word on Alderson.

I don't understand the all the hatred aimed towards Billy Beane. What gives?

I don't understand the all the hatred aimed towards Billy Beane. What gives?

our long history of winning as an organization gives us the right to look down upon lesser teams who have had a winning record in each of the last 8 seasons and made the playoffs in 5 of those seasons with a payroll close to half of ours. Don't you agree?

I agree in that regard, just seems like an odd way to worship (or despise) a guy who has elevated the Oakland organization to the heights they have reached, especially by the means they are doing so.

And Rob, I like the way (most) polls are looking thus far in the keeper league.

Alderson was Beane's mentor, which is odd because there is extreme hatred from people on these boards and others for Beane, but nay a word on Alderson.

Alderson didn't write a book about himself bragging about what a great baseball executive he is. Oh wait, Beane didn't do that either.

To be fair, there aren't many people on this board singing Alderson's praises and wishing the Cubs were run more like the Padres either.

Rob G.:
"I was referring to your specific question that they were going to sit and wait around for the Yanks job, not managing in general. Nice try putting words in my mouth though...."

HA HA

Nice job not expressing your self properly.

Nice job not expressing your self properly.

WTF are you talking about Manny?

on Oct 11th you wrote: (emphasis added)
So what does everyone think of teh chances of Pinnela or Giraardi not taking any job this year and sitting on teh dielines and working for FOX or ESPN next year waiting for Torre's contract to finish? Unless he wins a WS next year, I can't see him getting a new deal. And even if he does, at his age, he might just want to walk away from the Steinbrenner and media hassle.

my response on Oct 11th:
less than 1%

today from Manny:
But weren't you the one who said there is a less than 1% chance that Girardi or Pineilla would sit out next year?

then a bunch of other crap about whether I said that or not cause I forgot about it and then my response:

I was referring to your specific question that they were going to sit and wait around for the Yanks job, not managing in general. Nice try putting words in my mouth though....

you're the only one who seems confused and trying to put words into my mouth. It was pretty clear what I was talking about on Oct. 11th

Owned

#38 of 44: By Carlos (October 27, 2006 03:25 PM)
AZ PHIL:

Who would be the top comparable player to Jake Fox?

CARLOS: I guess Phil Nevin, although Fox doesn't have Nevin's "eye" or patience at the plate (yet). But everything else about Fox reminds me of Nevin.

Fox still needs a lot of work on his defense, but he is not a total loss. While his arm isn't in the class of Henry Blanco, Jose Reyes, or Jake Muyco, he actually throws OK (as well or better than Geovany Soto, for instance, although Soto is an excellent "receiver" while Fox is not). Jake's main problem is with his catching mechanics (receivng skills). If Fox caught Carlos Zambrano on a regular basis, "Z" would lead the league in wild pitches. Fox has trouble stopping anything in the dirt, and he has difficulty catching balls that move a lot. But this is something that could be improved with diligent practice, to where he at least could be passable, if not a Gold Glove.

Offensively, I could see him eventually being a slugger but with a mediocre BA (.240's maybe). His walk total will probably improve with experience.

I would project Fox as an MLB back-up C-LF-RF-PH, although he could possibly improve his receiving skills enough to catch more often if he spent a couple or three more years catching most every day in AA or AAA.

BTW, for those not aware of it, Jake Fox was Rich Hill's catcher at the University of Michigan.

AZ PHIL:

After being up close and seeing the Cubs recent Farm hands on the Big Club this past season. I truly was not impressed when I compare their mediocrity with the Molina brothers. And the terrific Pudge...

Our current main backstop is a nice offensive player but can't deliver that well throwing out runners, or calling a good game. And MY GOD! - the amount of balls that get past him...! It is a crime.

He's got a good hot-temper, though.

So I ask you, is there ANY hope that you've seen in the minors or AFL that leads you to believe that there is some real catching talent up and coming down the line?

Barrett was 5th in MLB this year with 10 passed balls

Bengie Molia, AJ and Kojima were the same, Posada had 13, Ramon Hernandez as well

In 2005, Barrett had 4 Passed balls (way down on the totem pole)
In 2004, he had 8 Passed balls, 10th in MLB (one less than Damien Miller)

As a team, we were 4th worst in Wild pitches in MLB with 68. Don't know where you can break that up for individual catchers.

In 2005, we were 8th worst with 57
In 2004, we were 13th worst with 50
in 2003, we were 5th worst with 63

considering how wild our pitching staff is, tough to put all that blame on Barrett.

#48 of 48: By the E-Man (October 27, 2006 06:03 PM)
AZ PHIL:

After being up close and seeing the Cubs recent Farm hands on the Big Club this past season. I truly was not impressed when I compare their mediocrity with the Molina brothers. And the terrific Pudge...

Our current main backstop is a nice offensive player but can't deliver that well throwing out runners, or calling a good game. And MY GOD! - the amount of balls that get past him...! It is a crime.

He's got a good hot-temper, though.

So I ask you, is there ANY hope that you've seen in the minors or AFL that leads you to believe that there is some real catching talent up and coming down the line?

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E-MAN: No. Not catchers.

If you could somehow take Jake Muyco's arm, Jose Reyes' quickness, Geovany Soto's old school receiving skills, Jake Fox's power, Chris Robinson's mind, Mark Reed's batting stroke, and Cory Vanderhook's intensity, and put them all together in one guy, then you would have something. But I don't know how to do that.

The best hope would probably be Mark Reed. He doesn't have any power, but he is a good hitter (although he slumped at the end of 2006) and has an above-average arm. But Reed will be (at best) a left-handed version of Brad Ausmus. And Reed is probably three years away.

ROB G.: Well, I guess the total of SCORED passed balls were not the worst, but combining his overall defensive catching skills and game calling to date (shit-ass at throwing runners out, too) exposes his mediocrity at best behind the plate. But he sure can hit!

Watching the two receivers representing the two leagues is really terrific, however.

Seeing Pudge save two wild pitches shows me Barrett has a long way to go. And, Pudge's arm has not been tested THAT much in the ALCS or WS.

yes, Barrett can't throw out a runner to save his life, neither can Loduca or AJ. Barrett's not keeping us from winning anything.

The game-calling thing is more perception than reality imho.

comparing Barrett and LoDuca - they are pretty similar on the "D".

Lo Du
pb 9
SB 84
CS 27
CS% .243
CERA 4.31

Barrett
Pb10
SB 89
CS 21
CS%.191
CERA 4.57

I was reminded of the stat, "CERA", the ERA of the receiver while behind the plate.

And here's "The Guru's" - Pudge:

PB4
Sb 25
CS26
CS% .510
CERA 3.82

what was Pudge's CERA last year or his days with Texas? don't even get me started on that freakin stat...

Wild Thing,

I believe the proper spelling is /pwned.

"what is Joe going to do? why does anyone think he's qualified for a front office position besides his Northwestern degree?"

Actually, I think a degree from NU makes you more qualified than about 95% of the GM's running clubs today.

Henry Blanco:

SB 24 CS 18 CS 42.9%
CERA 4.98

Michael Barrett

SB 89 CS 21 CS 19,1%
CERA 4.57

With all apologies to Andy Dolan, people who use CERA as a catcher evalution tool are retarded.

It would be an interesting study to see if Blanco's 2006 campaign was the worst game calling effort ever, based on CERA an CS%.

Yeah - this CERA stuff is just too wierd!

REAL NEAL: "Actually, I think a degree from NU makes you more qualified than about 95% of the GM's running clubs today."

Neal - Living up in Evanston, from what I know about Northwestern, the alumni network is "all-powerful" and a dedegree from N.U. certainly opens up a lot of doors around the country.

Any athlete that gets a scholarship to N.U., Stanford, Harvard, etc., are not only getting the $100K in tuition paid for, but pretty big-ass earning potential.

And, as you say, some pretty academically smart folks.

My parents both graduated from NU, my father twice, but I wasn't really bragging on it. I was more pointing out the lack of general business acumen that most ML GM's display.

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