Cubs Actually Really Do Sign Cliff Floyd

After what only seems likes months or perhaps years, the Chicago Tribune and numerous other Chicago media are reporting that the Cubs have (finally, at long last) signed FA OF Cliff Floyd. Terms are being reported as $3M for 2007 plus some type of mutual option for 2008. Although Floyd was rated an MLB Type "A" free-agent, the Cubs will not lose a pick in next June's Rule 4 Draft because the Mets declined to offer arbitration to Floyd.

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Woo hoo.

Hope this doesn't take away too much of Murton's PT, but I like it. I'm sure glad the option is mutual.

This deal is fine as long as it really is a mutual option. It will be interesting to see how much time this takes away from Murton.

Judging by what Lou and Hendry said at the Convention, I'd say it seems pretty clear the job is Murton's as long as he doesn't blow it.

Floyd, if healthy, is a pretty good piece of insurance if Murton regresses for whatever reason.

I agree... solid deal as long as the '08 option is mutual.

Can he play first base to give Dlee a blow once in a while?

I like it even though Floyd screwed me twice in my fantasy league with his injuries. Since he is now hopefully a back-up, injuries will not hurt as much. If we can keep Jones and play Murton 6 days a week, we have a very good lineup and some good pop off the bench. If we trade Jones and Floyd becomes a regular, we have the same Wood/Prior problems of the past in counting on guys with injury histories. That only leads to playing guys that are not ready (Pie) or guys that were never meant to be regulars.

[...] As AZ Phil pointed out, the Floyd deal is finally done. As I’ve mentioned in previous comments, I’m not completing against this deal despite it likely taking at-bats away from Matt Murton. Floyd can most definitely hit the righties (281/368/496 career) and that’s likely all he’ll be asked to do. It’s certainly better than trotting out Todd Hollandsworth off your bench or as a starter, that’s for sure. There is no doubt though that he’s in a slow and steady decline though. Here are his charts (courtesy of Fangraphs.com) for his ISO: [...]

"Can he play first base to give Dlee a blow once in a while?"

I thought Neifi! was the official blower... um, what did you mean?

Deal is fine, as long as Pinella doesn't Baker Murton.

jacos — January 24, 2007 @ 3:46 pm
Can he play first base to give Dlee a blow once in a while?

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JACOS: Cliff Floyd was drafted out of HS as a 1B-OF, and he played mainly 1B the first five years of his pro career, but he has played mostly OF since 1996. He has a weak arm, so he  usually plays LF.

Excellent addition. Cliff Floyd is a good professional who plays hard and is a proven run producer from the left side of the plate. Obviously, his health is the key. But barring the unforseen, I see him grabbing 350 plus at bats and being a significant contributor to the Cub offense.

Towel:

This is the most positive thing I have ever read from you. This is a good step in your recovery.

TCR readers - can someone explain why Cliff Floyd, who, as CRUNCH would say, is "an injury away from being useless", is getting $3MM/yr., and Ersted is getting $700K?

Isn't the breadski a little out of whack here for a guy at the end of his career?

well other than Floyd being a far better hitter when he is healthy, I don't think anyone is too sure about Erstad and his ankle. I imagine the med reports on Floyd's achilles are coming in positive.

ROB: I take your word on it - but I thought Ersted's BA career is in the .280's. If this is true, and he has better numbers from both RH & LH pitchers - is the diference that great?

Ersted is a better fielder, I believe. But indeed no one knows how his ankle will do.

So, Floyd's medicals are encouraging, you say?

I can only hope E-man in regards to the medicals, but it is the Cubs training staff after all.

but beyond batting average, Floyd has a modest advantage in OBP and a huge advantage in power. Defensively though Erstad is one of the best (or was one of the best) at center or first base.

I find the need for late-inning defensive replacement who may or may not be a factor far less important than a late-inning hitter who you know if he's put in, is going to get his shot to affect the outcome of the game.

floyd's pay is all about his power...even when 100% healthy he is one of the worst OF'rs in the game. bumbling, misjudging, and straight up missing balls hit toward the wall.

that said...damn...that's a hell of a bench player the cubs just picked up.

wonder what shannon stewart will go for and if he wants to be a bench guy yet.

Just like Jim Hendry didn't pay Neifi Perez $2.5 million per season and a $1 million signing bonus to collect splinters sitting on the bench, he didn't pay Cliff Floyd $3 million to do the same. Floyd is coming to Chicago to grab meaningful playing time. Most likely at Matt Murton's expense.

Career #'s:
Erstad: .286/.341/.416
Floyd: .279/.359/.488

With 100 points in OPS, I would say that Floyd is most definitely a far superior hitter.

On top of that, as Rob mentioned, Erstad is a HUGE injury question mark, to the point to which the Angels wanted to offer him a minor league deal.

silent...are you a troll or just forcibly opinionated in the minority almost all the time?

you take these stances on things that very few if any have and insist on presenting them as facts.

you love to bait people that mark prior will not play for the cubs in 07 and even write things you call realistic ommiting him and working around the reality of the situation.

well, if by meaningful you mean 300-400 AB's, I agree....

I dunno crunch, we all know Prior is there, but until he's mowing down hitters again, even the Cubs are pretending like he doesn't exist.

Apparently some people have difficulty in understanding that this is a chat board populated by people expressing opinion on the Cubs. Oh well.

I think 'silent towel' is a bit of a misnomer, though.

How about 'verbose towel' or 'garrulous towel'?

How about Cub HatingTroll?

Maybe Hendry is padding his potential weak spots with veteran pillows. I mean Murton has a lot of potential and has shown the ability to adjust, but he isn't exactly a sure thing. Could Hendry be hedging Prior's #5 spot with Wade Miller; maybe Dempster with Wood; Theriot with DeRosa, Barrett's D with Benny Blanco from the Bronx. Call me a sucker but I think we have some healthy competition going into 07 and I think Murton should have to fight for his at bats like a lot of other cusp players.

Having Marshall, Guzman, Mateo, Marmol and O'Malley or whoever just waiting for Prior's 4th debilitating injury is the way it should be and gives me weird sense of assurance in the age of guaranteed contracts. Good night.

I've been hoping for this signing all winter and I feel like big Cliff is an excellent addition to the roster. Get him some ABs in a rotation with Murton and Jones and watch him bust it to the short power alleys which are tailor-made for his power. Go Cubs!

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    The E-Man 1 hour 6 min ago view
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    Rob G. 1 hour 55 min ago view
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    The E-Man 2 hours 4 min ago view
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    Rob G. 2 hours 31 min ago view
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