They’re Watching Us

On Friday, All The News That’s Fit To Print included an account of Lou Piniella’s first day as captain aboard the good ship Heartbreak. The piece, by Lee Jenkins, describes Piniella as most fans, myself included, have long seen him: “fiery” “known for his outbursts” “naturally animated and restless” “a manager who really knows how to vent” “as famous for his dirt kicking…as he is for any pep talks” “a man…who clearly hates to lose” “(reacting) to every booted ball…with a tortured expression or a fit of rage” But the story isn’t just a string of clichés. While it acknowledges the base-throwing side of the new Cub manager, it also paints a picture of a guy who is once again passionate about the game, has a plan for success—“While most major-league teams head into the season with five or six bunt plays, Piniella wants the Cubs to use only three. He is trying to simplify the game, in hopes that his players will find it easier to master”—and is finding many aspects of his new gig to be excited about. (I know, I know—we’re only a couple of days into this, but still...) The story concludes with a reference to “talk in the Cubs clubhouse that players are setting up a pool to bet on the date of Piniella’s first outburst.” On Thursday afternoon, Scott Eyre phoned in to the afternoon show on the local ESPN radio affiliate. He was asked if he had tossed any money into the pool. Eyre said he didn’t know anything about such a pool, then he paused. “Now that you’re bringing it up,” he said, “I’m gonna find out if it’s true so I can get in on it.”


Nice piece, Cubnut. O/U on Piniella's first temper tantrum?

From Rotoworld:
"After taking extra time to warm up, Mark Prior threw his first bullpen session of the spring on Thursday.
Manager Lou Piniella said Prior threw well. The right-hander has been throwing off a mound since early January, so if he's not in pretty good form when games start next month, it'd be an especially discouraging sign."

With all of the focus on his short fuse, I think Piniella is going to try really, really hard to restrain himself.

I'll say Game 5.

7th inning, 4th game. KABOOM!!!!

Carrie M at is saying Sean Marshall is a week away from throwing due to shoulder problems from the end of last yr that they had him rehabbing from. Hmmm. I thought he just had a sprained oblique last yr. Is this rotator cuff info on Marshall news? I certainly hadn't heard anything about it this winter.

"When last season ended, I had a lot of wear and tear," Marshall said Friday. "I took about a month off, and they said I needed some [physical therapy]. I'm about a week from getting back on the mound. I feel a lot better than I did at the end of last year."

The problem was his rotator cuff, but the situation was never severe enough for Marshall to consider surgery.

"I'm a little behind schedule, but I feel my hard work this offseason will pay off and my shoulder will get back to full strength or even better than it was last season," Marshall said. "I should be able to catch up with these guys by the time games start."

Also Dr. Piniella says KWood will be throwing off the mound on Monday.

Oh great. Marshall is now sounding like Wood/Prior part 3, but with less talent. Go back to west. tenn. Mr Marshall, we have enough lefties here. I'll be in Ireland/Scotland from march 1-14, I'll bet $1000 I miss Prior's first injury of the year during that time. Diving board or cactus incident most likely. I also have a Prior jersey, smaller than the one the other disgruntled Cubs fan was about to burn.....maybe XL..make me an offer before I make poo explosion on it.

Well, you'll be able to watch batters in Ireland play.

There should be some Cricket league stuff going on that they might have in the pubs you visit.

Apparently there is a "warm weather season" where the game continues in Austraila, New Zealand, Pakistan, India, the Carribean, etc. The fans follow on the "telly" or fly out on "holiday" apparently.

I bid five dollars on the shirt. And I'll throw in a case of Charmin.

I'm still waiting for Loupa to throw Prior to the ground and slap him around a bit while yelling "Act like a man!!!"

Here's a picture of Kerry Wood's hot tub-


Has anyone seen ANY Miller interviews?

Prior pulled his head out of the sand yesterday. I was wondering if anyone has seen any ink on Wade?

I am wondering what will happen to the odd-man out between the two? It appears as if the bullpen is stocked well enough.

What if, the two are exceedingly close in their ST performances? Trade Wade? How many options does Prior have left? If I recall, he has 5 years of service and could refuse assignment. Right?

If Miller and Prior pitch well in ST, then we break camp with


Then let Marquis/Hill/Marshall/Guzman/...fight for innings.

If Prior and Miller are competing for a rotation spot, I don't think it will be the fifth spot. I think they'll wind up either solid middle-of-the-rotation starters or they'll suck.


I didn't think of it like that. But I suppose this has merit. IF ("IF") somehow Prior recaptures the 2004-pre-elbow, then we'd have to say HE is the real #2 or #3?

Was Marquis a #5 during his St.Louis days exclusively?

Interesting on Marquis: in checking, I just was refreshed that he was the #2 in the rotation behind Carpenter in the 2004 and 2005 seasons. Had several key wins in both seasons.

Wonder what happened to the guy?

Fantasy Baseball announcement: (repeat from the thread below this one)

I’ve set up a fantasy league for any TCRers who want to play. Things to know about it

1. It’s a Head to Head league at yahoo

2. You have to be able to go a season without being a contentious jerk to others

3. We re-draft any teams that have been innactive for over a month. The redrafts will be done at three pre-set dates, on the 1st of June, July and August

4. We use lots of stat categories, with a somewhat sabrmetric bent

5. We’ve been doing this for several years. It generally works quite well in terms of having active and friendly players

Interested? It’s yahoo league ID 6464 and password of “the riot” (minus the quotation marks)

the link for registering is here

I’ll promote this in a few other threads when the thread gets to a point where hi-jacking isn't a big issue, and people with leagues that they would like to advertise should take the same approach.

"Wonder what happened to the guy?"

his sinker happened...or failed to happen. it acted more like a low velocity fastball for most of last season.

"'Well, last year, he played more in right field with Texas than any other position,'' manager Lou Piniella said."

this comment keeps popping up. yeah, no way its gonna be a straight platoon, but it looks like we could be seeing derosa in RF more often than thought by some.

from fox "no not that fox, oh wait yes it is" sports...

"I find it comical," Clemens said, according to a transcript on the KRIV TV Web site. "We get little notes at my foundation about people saying they wish I would make up (my) mind and decide because I am leaving people hanging. I'm not leaving anybody hanging. I don't want to play."

well Astros are fucked....

doesn't mean he won't change his mind in 2 months if the 'Stros are any good or Petitte talks him into the Yanks.

the 'clemens show' needs to end anyway.

i like clemens, but a lotta other athletes who would only agree to play if they can show up midseason, not have to travel or practice with the team, and not even have to go on road games if they're not pitching...well...let's just say the media has been DAMN NICE to him about what would otherwise be deemed not very good for a clubhouse of guys that have to travel, work, and trust each other collectively for 200 days.

his heart has been out of the game for 2+ seasons now even if his talent has been fully in the game.

Having lived in Houston for the most part over the last couple of years, I would have to say you're totally wrong there, crunch when you talk about the impact on the team. The Astros players were happy to have him and had no problem whatsoever with his arrangement, going by every interview, radio report and press clipping.

The guy helped the team win, and though you can sort of understand the 'He's only collecting a paycheck' mentatilty, it just didn't exist. What was present was the idea that he had earned the right with his extradonary career to not have to go to cities where he wasn't going to play so that he can spend some time with his family. It's not a hard thing to wrap your mind around, all the other players in the clubhouse probably wish that one day they can have the same situation. What are they going to say to themselves 'Who the hell is this guy, him and his 6 Cy Youngs, thinking he is special' ?

"I would have to say you’re totally wrong there, crunch when you talk about the impact on the team."

im talking about how the media treats the issue.

he got hell of a free pass being 1 man making his own rules.

that said, the team who paid him to do that knew exactly what they were buying.

"For the past year and a half, Piniella and the Cubs have both basically been out of baseball."

OUCH. that hurts...

"4. We use lots of stat categories, with a somewhat sabrmetric bent"

Ah, you had me then you lost me.

Oh yeah crunch I agree with you then. Of course if you have the best pitcher of the last 80 years being fought over by the Red Sox and Yankees, ESPN is going to single handedly force the rest of the sporting networks into thinking it's a big deal.

In a pseudo-related topic, and one that I haven't seen mentioned at BP.

Clemens and Bonds are poised to become the most valuable pitcher and player of all time using BP's WARP3 (wins above replacement adjusted for everything) measurement:

Babe Ruth: 234.2
Barry Bonds: 233.1

Walter Johnson: 200.9
Roger Clemens: 199.6

At least I assume Ruth and Johnson are the current 'record holders', there's no search function on that.

Johnson once had a season of 18.1 WARP3, I could only find one other pitcfher to have a season above 15, Carlton's 72. Maddux may have made it in '93 or '94 if not for the strike (14.4 and 13.6).

Chad's Fantasy league:

Offensive Categories

Pitching Categories

Chad's league cont.

Yahoo ID OU812 Password "stats is stoopid" without the quotes.

using BP’s WARP3 (wins above replacement adjusted for everything)

WARP3 is a bit of a black box in that they don't explain how they timeline.

Also, that figure for Ruth doesn't include his pitching, I believe (94-46, 2.28 ERA).

It includes pitching. It's right there in black and white, no reason to speculate:

They use a bunch of adjustments to move from WARP to WARP3, and some of their asumptions in the underlying formula make no sense (like replacement level defense I am not a big fan of), but at least they're trying to have a cross-time comparison, and it's interesting to me, even if I know it's not 100% correct.

Sabermetric baseball leagues. Wow what fun. This is why Fantasy Football is far greater than fantasy baseball. While I know that rotisserie baseball was invented by stats geeks and sabreheads, cumulative stats are a far better way to measure a fantasy team.

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  • @JonHeyman: Yanks and Cubs have a deal. Torres, mckinney, Warren and likely 1 more to NYY.

    CTSteve 37 sec ago view
  • Rumor McKinney part of package

    jacos 3 min 13 sec ago view
  • I would rather have Ian Happ at second.

    Rob Richardson 40 min 17 sec ago view
  • that is a hell of a lot of talent to shift for a reliever who's gonna get paid top-scale "free agent" type money in 2017+ after a 1/2 year rental for the remainder of 2016.

    crunch 52 min 49 sec ago view
  • Cubs are going to need a 2nd baseman of the future. I'm still not convinced Baez can be that offensively on an everyday basis.

    johann 1 hour 35 min ago view
  • Updating: Per @Joelsherman1, #Cubs-#Yankees trade, if completed, would be Chapman for Torres, Warren and likely two others.

    Can only imagine they'd only give that much up if he's signing an extension. 

    Rob G. 1 hour 50 min ago view
  • The official police report on Chapman:

    You can draw your own conclusions.

    Old and Blue 3 hours 43 min ago view
  • Where is he going to play for the Cubs?

    Rob Richardson 4 hours 10 min ago view
  • That was, ummmm, you know. A joke?

    Old and Blue 4 hours 15 min ago view
  • Even from an on-field perspective, Torres is a 19-year-old beating up High-A pitching who also plays a great SS. Even if he never develops a legit MLB power stroke, he's still an obvious 4-tool guy with a very high floor. Sucks to trade away his next 6-8 years for a closer, albeit a great one.

    John Beasley 5 hours 44 min ago view
  • "Like the Chapman deal for Cubs from on-field POV, wish I didn't now have to feel lousy following an otherwise likable Cubs team." @jonahkeri

    pretty much sums up my feelings

    Rob G. 11 hours 53 min ago view
  • You mean Yankees?

    QuietMan 11 hours 57 min ago view
  • Cards lose!

    billybucks 12 hours 4 min ago view
  • You do have a point. The TheoJed certainly would need to address this in a transparent way. Milton Bradley was no help to the team.

    The E-Man 12 hours 16 min ago view
  • FWIW, the Cubs would get a compensation draft pick between the 1st & 2nd rounds (around #35) if they extend a Qualifying Offer to Chapman post-2016 (probably about $17M), Chapman declines, and then he signs with another MLB club before next year's draft. 

    Arizona Phil 12 hours 23 min ago view
  • This all assumes Chapman doesn't want to be a free agent and possibly sign a $20MM+/year deal. We all know free agents get overpaid, sometimes dramatically (Hello, JayHey!). Not sure why Chapman would agree to the extension. If i'm is agent, I would tell him I could get I'm a $100M deal as a FA.

    billybucks 12 hours 30 min ago view