Rotation Shuffle

In the wake of yesterday's tragedy, the Cubs will likely shuffle their rotation a bit. Angel Guzman was scheduled to be called up tomorrow but Lou is now leaning towards Sunday May 6th against the Nationals as he wants to split up Rich Hill and Ted Lilly from going back to back days. So the rotation will likely be: Today @ Pittsburgh: Rich Hill May 1st @ Pittsburgh: Ted Lilly May 2nd @ Pittsburgh: Jason Marquis May 4th vs. Washington: Carlos Zambrano May 5th vs Washington: Rich Hill May 6th vs Washington: Angel Guzman May 8th vs. Pittsburgh: Ted Lilly May 9th vs. Pittsburgh: Jason Marquis May 10th vs Pittsburgh: Carlos Zambrano May 11th @ Philadelphia: Rich Hill May 12th @ Philadelphia: Angel Guzman May 13th @ Philadelphia: Ted Lilly and so on... In actuality, the Cubs really don't need a 5th starter until May 12th as they have two more scheduled off-days between now and then on May 3rd and 7th. Lou could stick with the plan to have Guzman go tomorrow and still break up the lefties but Angel isn't quite stretched out completely as a starter and PNC is usually friendlier to lefty pitchers, so waiting until May 6th makes some sense and gives Angel one more AAA start and an easier 2007 starter debut versus the Nationals. Also, Bob Howry should be 100% by tonight after injuring his back moving a barbecue grill over the weekend. Too many jokes, too little time.
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Ugh, Duke tonight. We never miss him, and we never hit him.

yeah,

Duke vs. Cubs
6 GS, 4-1, 45 IP, 1 CG, 1 SO, 1.40 ERA, 39 H, 7 ER, 2 HR, 8 BB, 22 K

I think he had a good start his last start but he's 1-2 with a 6.92 ERA this year.

Murton better get the start tonight though

9/17 .529/556/824 career

Cedeno 438/438/438 against him as well

just about owns everyone else

Barrett 0/10
Izturis 3/10
Ramirez 3/15
Theriot 1/8
Jones/Floyd combined: 0/11
Soriano: 2/5
Lee: 3/13

That's true...we'd be about the only ones not hitting him this year:
1-2, 6.92 ERA, 26 IP, 38 Hits, 6K/5BB, 3 HR's

The Cubs don't hit lefies very well it seems...I could be wrong.

they don't hit lefties either...

Yes, the Cubs certainly have a history of making even mundane lefties look unhittable. I hope that there are enough new faces in the lineup to reverse that trend.

Hmmm...career splits indicate that everyone is decent againt LHP except Jones and Cedeno, with Duke being the exception, with Izzy, Murton, Theriot, and DeRosa significantly better against LHP.

Dusty Baylor:
"The Cubs don’t hit lefies very well it seems…I could be wrong."

No, you are right on:
Cubs vs. LHP: .218/.277/.368/.645
Cubs vs. RHP: .277/.333/.423/.756

Those numbers above were this year. 2006 was nowhere as bad:

vs. LHP: .253/.314/.397/.711
vs. RHP: .274/.321/.432/.753

Kind of off the subject a little. Did anyone catch the Lou Piniella to Joe Girardi comment on the Saturday telecast on FOX? Lou basically said that he is playing Cliff Floyd over Matt Murton not because Floyd is the better player. More because not playing your proven vets can cause trouble in the clubhouse. I have long suspected that this is a route cause in alot of Dusty's questionable moves and it explains some of Lou's as well. Jim Hendry absolutely new that signing Floyd would put Lou in this situation.

I don't think it is just lefties that this team does not hit very well. It seems to me, and I don't have the numbers in front of me to back this up, but they don't hit pitchers who change speed very well at all. It seems that any pitcher who relies on the change up or other pitches that rely on deception and location baffles the cubs over the last several years. And since there are more lefties that throw this way make it look worse against them. Of course, I could be way off base here and there are probably numbers that will make me look like an idiot, but I will still throw this out there as a thought.

"More because not playing your proven vets can cause trouble in the clubhouse"

Anyone want to apologize for the misguided abuse you threw at Dusty for doing this, now that you know it's SOP in the MLB?

uh no....

Lou doesn't seem to have a problem sitting Jones, Floyd or Izturis at the moment. We haven't faced a lot of lefties and we have too many OF'ers, Murton will play.

I didn't hear the actual comment, but Floyd hasn't been playing a whole lot to be honest, nor has Murton. Both are hitting about the same. As long as no one's bitching too much and he's giving the AB's to capable players, I don't care and I doubt the team does either.

On other hand, giving Neifi any AB's is an egregious mistake by any means. :)

Anyone want to apologize for the misguided abuse you threw at Dusty for doing this, now that you know it’s SOP in the MLB?

No, not really. Even if it is SOP, which I doubt, it's still stupid.

My point, Andrew, is not whether it's stupid or not. My point is that this is a practice not limited to Dumb Dusty Baker. So the frustration and outrage at Dusty was misguided.

Actually, Chad's kind of right about it. It is SOP, most places. Rookies and young guys don't get to whine and complain about not playing. Veterans do.

that's not what Chad's saying...

The big difference between Dusty and Lou from what I've seen is that Lou actually seems to like the competition between his players and will reward the better performed with additional playing time. Theriot played well, and now he's going to take a big chunk of the SS playing time away from Izzy.

I love Murt and would like to see him playing everyday, but he hasn't really performed yet for Lou at the level that would earn him the regular starting position.

Rob G.:
"On other hand, giving Neifi any AB’s is an egregious mistake by any means. :)"

If that's the case, giving Izturis and/or Cedeno any AB's is an equally egregious mistake. :)

yeah, except Izturis and Cedeno already lost their gigs to a better hitter, Dusty had a 3 yr running joke that wasn't really funny.

Vorare:
"I love Murt and would like to see him playing everyday, but he hasn’t really performed yet for Lou at the level that would earn him the regular starting position."

But Murton is supposedly an above average LF and had a .912 OPS in the 2nd half last year. That's not good enough for Lou???

(sarcasm)

DeRosa may not have any ABs against Duke, but he killed lefties in '06 (342/394/589).

Soriano must be about ready to explode.

This lefty whammy against the Cubs could end pretty soon.

Also, as someone who likened Lou to Dusty a couple of weeks ago--I take it back. They're not at all the same.

While a certain deference may be owed to older players, Dusty took this to an extreme, to the point of seldom using pinch runners and defensive replacements. Lou uses almost the entire non-pitching roster in close games, whereas Dusty mostly managed the bullpen. If Lou had a bigger roster he would use even more subs. With Dusty, the expanded roster in September meant more young guys on the bench watching the older guys.

But Murton is supposedly an above average LF and had a .912 OPS in the 2nd half last year. That’s not good enough for Lou???

Which is why I wrote that he has not "PERFORMD YET FOR LOU". Because, if you remembr correctly, Lou wasn't the manager last year. But thanks for the useless smartass remark, as per usual.

Chad did say it was SOP. He didn't say why. I said why. That's what I'm saying. Not what Chad's saying. You know what I'm saying?

yes, no, maybe

our anger at Dusty was very well guided though. :)

Say what?

Vorare:
"Because, if you remembr correctly, Lou wasn’t the manager last year."

Yes I do remember. But thanks for the useless smartass remark, as per usual...:)

I really don't get how anyone (sorry, Chad) can harbor any fond feelings for Dusty after what he didn't accomplish here. The best quote to come out of the 2003 NLCS was, "One manager managed game 6 as if it was the 7th game of the World Series, and the other as if it was the rubber game of a mid-August series with a division rival."

He again had enough talent in 2004 to AT LEAST make the playoffs and his laid-back managerial style let Cub broadcasters become the players' central issues instead of the NL Central. By any objective measurement, Dusty was a FAILURE as a manager:

1. He played favorites
2. He made playing time for Neifi, Holly, et al more important than who could actually benefit the team.
3. He mis-managed his pitching staff, especially his bullpen.
4. He let peripheral issues interfer with his team's focus on winning the Division.
5. Etc.,etc., etc.

AND I was in favor of the Cubs getting Dusty from the Giants in 2002. I don't know if Lou will produce any better results, but here's the thing if you've ever held a management position: The team's with the most talent (or payroll) don't get it done, it's the team who's manager gets everyone to perform to their best capabilities that win. That wasn't Dusty in Chicago, and that's why he's gone.

oh yeah, an emerging Dusty debate...I'm on pins and needles.

rob... it is about exciting as an emerging bean/sabermetrics argument!

Better yet... anyone want to argue about the correct terminology for over/under five hundred?

George, I was strictly talking about Dusty always getting heat from this board about sticking with 'proven vets'. Plain and simple.

dave, and emerging beane/sabremetric argument? Where ever would you get that idea?

George, I was strictly talking about Dusty always getting heat from this board about sticking with ‘proven vets’.

well if that was your point, Lou has done nothing of the sort.

"aaronb — April 30, 2007 @ 11:40 am

Kind of off the subject a little. Did anyone catch the Lou Piniella to Joe Girardi comment on the Saturday telecast on FOX? Lou basically said that he is playing Cliff Floyd over Matt Murton not because Floyd is the better player. More because not playing your proven vets can cause trouble in the clubhouse. "

This is what started the whole thing.

Under Dusty-
Theriot spent a month on the bench in favor of Neifi and Tony Womack

Under Lou-
Theriot playing time and now starting gig.

Vorare:
"Better yet… anyone want to argue about the correct terminology for over/under five hundred?"

Yeah, where is Cubfan at this year??? Haven't heard from him.

Under Dusty:
Murton got 508 PA's in 2006

Under Lou:
Murton on pace for 310 PA's in 2007

manny... i don' remember cliff floyd and alfonso soriano on the roster last year, do you? don't you think that changes a few things?

Dave-
exactly

Okay, change of pace-

Is Craig Biggio the worst 3000 hit hitter ever?

4 seasons over .300
1 over 200 hits

Just asking.

I don't have the 3000 hit guys memorized but considering where he played a lot of games and how well he did as a leadoff guy, I'd say no.

Not to mention a position switch from catcher to 2b.

The end of his career is killing his career stats though.

I looked them up. He's the 'worst' IMO. I think it's a bad way of putting it but I'd pretty much want ever other player on my team before him.

Ask and you shall receive-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3000_hits

The reason I ask is I can't remember any time in his career that he would be considered a top ten hitter in any given year.

One for the ages.

Chad-
Agreed

"I’d pretty much want ever other player on my team before him. "

Team do you mean by the Cubs this year?

yeah, looking at that list I would say everyone but Rafael Palmeiro

Rob G-
Him and Murray but their 500 HR's make them better hitters, IMO.

This article is where I got the idea, and the writer is all over the map with his predictions and thoughts.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?pa...

Murray was a superior player to yount IMHO.

It isnt like Lou made the Theriot move right away. It did take 22 games to make an obvious move. And we still dont know how permanent such a move is. To me the main difference is that Dusty had zero testicular fortitude to sit a vet. Lou has some sack, but it is alot easier for him to bench a 5'7 shortstop than it is for him to sit a 6'4 Outfielder.

curious... what rookie is outperforming that "6' 4" outfielder?"

Eddie Murray??
Murray was a frigging stud!!! He played most of career pre-steroid, pre early 90's expansion...back when hitting 20 HR's was a really good season, and 35 put you int the top 5 for the league lead.

I'm just sayin'

Would you take Biggio over Bernie Mac?

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