Game 41 Thread / White Sox @ Cubs (2 of 3)

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Just heard on ESPN locally - Guzman to the ‘pen.

5th starter not named yet.

Talked about Sean Marshall or Dempster as 5th starter.

Bruce Levine broke the story originally.

Holy crap, I was joking last night when I mentioned to a friend that they should move Dempster to the #5! Honestly!

Let me drop some parachat on you...

Guzman as starter > Dempster as starter

If Dempster does become the 5th starter (which I hope doesn't happen), I suppose Marmol gets a try at closer? I'm not really seeing anyone else fit the bill.

I'd much rather have Marshall as the 5th guy, too many lefties or not.

if they are bringing up Marshall as a 5th starter, that gives us:

1-three of five starters are lefty
2-three lefty's in the pen

I'm a lefty and even I think this is weird. It also means that you have to go back to back leftys. Normally I'd say, how cares, but, I'd avoid Marshall and Hill back to back as both have the big roundhouse curveball.

3-a bullpen of dempster, howry, eyre, marmol, cotts, ohman, guzman and wuertz; until the music stops and there are only 6 or 7 chairs.

but someone has to go if Marshall is brought up...

and the most useless part right now is Scott Eyre, so he's about to need a stint on the DL for medication adjustment. Unless Hendry has a trade on the burner (which I kinda doubt at this point).

oops...who cares

UNless we trade EYer and someone for another closer (Fuentes? Lidge?) I doubt Demp get's removed from the closers spot. After all, he's only blown one save so far this year.

Wood is there and WGN just said he is going to resume throwing monday

Resume throwing in Arizona, scheduled for monday- wednesday and friday or something, will be interviewed on WGN radio pregame show

I would think that Guzman would be the guy closing if Dempster really got moved to the rotation. But I HIGHLY doubt that Dempster is getting moved to the rotation.

re:#8

The Lancaster Jethawks are one of my favorite minor league franchises. They play in a beautfiul little gem of a ballpark.... of course it's out in Hades, but it's still a gem.

And if you follow crunch's link, you may be surprised to know that Lancaster and Lake Elsinore are in a three-way tie for first place at 22-20. And the game was played in Lancaster.

I am suprised! How can two teams be in a three-way tie?

Moving Guzman out of the rotation would be stupid. The bullpen has been bad, but Lou being in constant panic mode anytime someone gives up a walk probably doesn't help things much. The big thing about last nights game was the bullpen did it's job (for 2 innings, probably should have been for 2.2) and the OFFENSE scored runs after the 6th inning. Why there's no talk about the guys not hitting after the 6th being sent down or benched is baffling to me.

Line-ups

Erstad
Uribe
A-hole
Dye
Konerko
Mackowiak
Iguchi
Crede
Vazquez

V.

Theriot
Murton
Sori
Aram
Ward
Barrett
Jones
Derosa
Marquis

I think Pagan should be in the 2 hole and playing CF, while JJ slides to RF. Pagan's the hot bat and a better OF then Murt.

I think Murton should be allowed to get 500 At bats and not be benched for AAAA fodder like Pagan.

What's the parachat link?

I am suprised! How can two teams be in a three-way tie?

You gotta be kidding.

Neal, I'm a Pagan basher and proud of it, but my beef with him has been that he stands there with the bat on his shoulder looking for ball four, and when he does hit the ball, it's late to the opposite field.

His MO seems to have changed. Now he swings early in the count and pulls the ball, both lefty and righty.

So what's not to like? He'll still get his walks.

Not that he should be taking playing time from Murton. There are two other outfield spots, though.

I'm lovin' these bullpen rumors.

That the Cubs--the Cubs!-- would a) recognize they have a problem, and b) try to fix it-- this is in itself amazing.

Dempster starting could work out pretty well and in any case gets him out of the closer role and over to Iowa for a while.

Guzman and Marmol vying for the closer role could be seen as puzzling but makes sense if you assume that one of Lou's principles is that the closer must throw gas.

By the way, people who think that Dempster has nine saves should know that he has only earned saves three times when he was handed the ball with less than a three -run lead. Two of those were at home against the Nats. He also got a win in that series. He's basically had one good weekend.

Dempster has also gone more than 3 outs a few times as well...

So Lee's pinch-hitting. I guess that means he won't be going on the DL. Not sure this is such a good idea. 8-6 lead in the bottom of the 8th with men on first and third and only one out. Not sure you need to bring an ailing guy into that.

And he hits a grand slam. Maybe he's okay?

Welcome Back Lee.
Nice bullpen effort by the Sox this series.

Andrew, those two posts were hilarious!

The Aardvark/Cotts trade looking a little better today...

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  • Maddon would have started three lefties against the Dodgers, Montgomery, Zastryzny and Lester, except that he doesn't have the juice to do that. No manager does. Maddon has a boss, Epstein (and probably Hoyer, too), who gave him a starting rotation of five guys including Hammel. Maddon was asked yesterday about the starting group for next year and basically said, Not my call, that's why I drive away in my RV in the summer and occasionally check in, etc.

    VirginiaPhil 1 hour 19 min ago view
  • video of Maddon.

    http://www.espn.com/espn/now?nowId=21-0561343809737202839-4

    always nice that he actually tries to honestly answer questions. Does mention that he wanted to give Zastr? a chance in a meaningful spot rather than a mop-up role.

    Rob G. 16 hours 30 min ago view
  • from Muskat:

    #Cubs Maddon: "I'm not going to make up an excuse for why I did what I did. It has nothing to do with lack of confidence" ... "It was the right thing to do today based on what I saw, what their lineup looked like and Rob Z.'s availability." #Cubs

    Rob G. 16 hours 35 min ago view
  • http://www.espn.com/espn/now?nowId=21-0561339391889382475-4

    Hammel not particularly understanding of getting pulled out...as he should. Be curious what Maddon had to say. All I can think of is is keeping arms fresh and maybe wanting to see if Zastr? is worth considering for the playoffs and how he'd do against the Dodgers.

    Rob G. 16 hours 40 min ago view
  • great defense

    Heyward, Russell, Baez, Bryant, Ross in particular...although Bryant's a bit hard to judge with all the positions.

    Fowler and Rizzo in the top half of the NL for their positions as well (per fangraphs)...Zobrist right at the halfway cutoff for 2b in the NL.

    I'm sure some luck is involved too, but the Cubs and Maddon knew what they were doing.

    Rob G. 16 hours 52 min ago view
  • If all the starters have FIP > ERA, is that luck or good defense?

    Craig A. 17 hours 3 min ago view
  • #Cubs plummet to 19-5 in August.

    Fun with FIP

    • J. Hammel   3.07 ERA/4.27 FIP (3.68 FIP last year)
    • J. Arrieta     2.62 ERA/3.05 FIP (2.35 FIP last year)
    • J. Lester     2.81 ERA/3.67 FIP (2.92 FIP last year)
    • K. Hendricks  2.19 ERA/3.37 FIP (3.36 FIP last year)
    • J. Lackey     3.41 ERA/3.72 FIP (3.57 FIP last year with Cards)
    Rob G. 17 hours 28 min ago view
  • zastyryzryzryzny put in 3.2ip 1h 0bb 3k

    he's great when his control is "on"...problem is it's rarely "on" consistently. he could vault up the cubs prospect list if he ever gets better with that aspect of his game.

    crunch 18 hours 8 min ago view
  • JD's take was just trying to get in a lefty to better deal with mostly lefty Dodgers lineup.

    My second thought was what you came up with. My first thought was he was trying to light a fire under Hammel.

    Jackstraw 19 hours 21 min ago view
  • Maybe he was trying to spare him another brutal road start? NY, Colorado...

    billybucks 19 hours 38 min ago view
  • joe got a pitcher up for hammel at nearly the 1st sign of trouble in the 3rd...pulled after 2.1

    not injured and though it wasn't his day so far he wasn't looking like a pure disaster.

    really short leash on him. zastryznzryzryny in.

    crunch 19 hours 42 min ago view
  • Russell and Soler can attest that Urias has a pretty good curve/slider - two big strikeouts looking to get out of that jam in the first.

    Eric S 20 hours 26 min ago view
  • Classic Scully - great stuff.

    Thank God we'll still have Hawk next season. (cricket cricket cricket)

    Eric S 1 day 1 hour ago view
  • Here's Scully's call on Bryant's 10th-inning homer:

    "And it's a long fly ball, a mean fly ball, and a gone fly ball."

    VirginiaPhil 1 day 2 hours ago view
  • When the Cubs were the old, hundred-year Cubs, one bad hop did not undo their opponents.

    VirginiaPhil 1 day 2 hours ago view
  • If only he was clutcher. More clutcher.

    Jackstraw 1 day 3 hours ago view