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Who was the first member of the Chicago Cubs to win the Most Valuable Player award as voted on by members of the Baseball Writers' Association of America?
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More Cubs Trivia (I stumbled upon serendipitously the other day)....

Although he only played half a season, COREY PATTERSON set a MAJOR LEAGUE BATTING RECORD in 2003.

(without looking it up....of course) What was it?

Gabby Hartnet (sp?)

Hack Wilson in 1933 when he set the RBI record with 193.

CWTP:
Although he only played half a season, COREY PATTERSON set a MAJOR LEAGUE BATTING RECORD in 2003.

(without looking it up….of course) What was it?

Highest K/BB ratio?

http://www.athomeplate.com/awardshistory.shtml

brief history of how the MVP voting has changed over the years...

I'll give it another half hour to an hour before I give out the answer.

and no idea on the Corey question

I'm an idiot its 1930 that Hack did that when there was no MVP award. Boy would Hack make Miguel Cabrerra look like Nicole Richey.

I agree with Chad, I think it is Gabby Hartnett.

No clue on the Corey Patterson

yeah poor Hack got screwed, but he was part of the impetus to give the BBWAA control over the award.

Highest K/BB ratio?

GOOD GUESS!!

no

AHA! A clue. According to your post Rob, TBBWAA starting voting on the MVP AFTER 1930. Therefore, I can't be right.

I say...

AW Hell! Anyone good on our 1945 world series team? I really don't know the Cubs stars after Hack Wilson until Ernie Banks shows up.

Phil Cavaretta, 1945? (Lane Tech grad)

and the answer is....

Gabby Hartnett (1935).

Congrats Chad although you talked yourself out of it.

Re: CPat

Does it have to do with triples? Most triples?

Does it have to do with triples? Most triples?

Nope, Rynox.

My gues is Hank Sauer

highest BAIP for Kpatt?

Hack Wilson?

Uhh... Rob already gave the answer:
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#13. Rob G. — July 23, 2007 @ 12:10 pm

and the answer is….

Gabby Hartnett (1935).

Congrats Chad although you talked yourself out of it.

Most at bats to start a season without a GIDP on Patterson?

He wouldn't qualify for any seasonal records.

"dave — July 23, 2007 @ 1:07 pm
Uhh… Rob already gave the answer:"

Good going. It's almost like I don't read all the other responses before I make a guess... Hey, wait a tick, that is what I do!

highest BAIP for Kpatt?
BABIP? BAIP?
Nope

Here's a hint. It has to do with the traditional line of stats.... AB's, R's, RBI's, Hits, AVG etcetera

He wouldn’t qualify for any seasonal records.

You're on to something. His record is for doing something in less than a whole season.

Could it be something like first player in history to hit 15 or more doubles, 5 or more triples and 10 or more HR along with 10 or more SB in less than 350 at bats?

'Could it be something like first player in history to hit 15 or more doubles, 5 or more triples and 10 or more HR along with 10 or more SB in less than 350 at bats?'

I wouldn't call those things records, more like, statistically anomallies.

Besides, Sandberg did that in '84
20 doubles, 11 3B, 11 HR, 15 SB's in the first half (384 PA's).

Sort of like when they used to say Thomas was the first guy to bat .300 with 100 BB's RBI's and Runs scored in his first 6 season (or whatever the hell it was). Sure he was the first, for that parcular combination - but some other guy hit 15 more home runs and had 99 walks in a year or he would have done it too.

Good luck everyone on cwtp's question. I cheated and looked it up as well and there is a very interesting follow-up question to it as well.

Neal which guy are you referring to? I found a guy who walked 96 times in one year otherwise he would have qualified.

Hah, I got so curious I tried to look it up and best I could come up with was a tieing an NL record.

Internet > TRN

Chad,

I don't know what the 'record' was - I was just pointing out the absurdity of thinking those things are records.

Here's one that's not necessarily Cubs related:

Who's the first player in ML history to have both a 40 HR season and a 50 SB season?

how long should we let this go?

Neal, you wrote:

" but some other guy hit 15 more home runs and had 99 walks in a year or he would have done it too."

I was wondering to whom you were referring. Cause i got curious and found that Ted Williams would have beaten The Big Hurt to those numbers but one year had 96 walks.

I have no idea on the Patterson question asked, but he did set a Cub's record that season if I recall correclty for most RBIs on Opening Day. I think 7 or 8, it was something ridiculous.

First player with 40 HR and 50 SB season: Without looking up, I guess Barry Bonds.

As for Corey Trivia, I guess it's up to cwtp to reveal. But now Real Neal has me wondering which NL record Corey *tied* in 2003.

BTW, Corey really did have a good first half that year. Although not the "monster" first half that I remembered. Wouldn't it be something in Hendry traded for Kenny Lofton to play CF right around now, though? I can see that happening.

40 HR, 50 SB?

Sandberg.

but he did set a Cub’s record that season if I recall correclty for most RBIs on Opening Day. I think 7 or 8, it was something ridiculous.

Yup...

He was 4 for 6, with 3 home runs and 7 RBI.

Of course, it wouldn't have been a true Corey Patterson game if everything was positive. He did strike out once and was caught stealing.

But yea... I have no idea on the Corey record, and I have tried looking it up. Not sure why I can't find it...

It took Bonds 3 more years to get there.

well what I found had to do with Opening Day, but apparently it turned out to be a major league record only because of when Opening Day was that year.

Most RBIs in March?

If the record is what I think it is, the holder of the record before Corey also was a Cub.

"Who’s the first player in ML history to have both a 40 HR season and a 50 SB season?"

Canseco.

“Who’s the first player in ML history to have both a 40 HR season and a 50 SB season?”

Soriano

I think the 40HR/50SB guy is Ryno.

My bad, Canseco never stole 50.

"Who’s the first player in ML history to have both a 40 HR season and a 50 SB season?”

Has this even happened yet? I know Soriano said he wanted to be the first 50-50 guy, but he didn't make it to either milestone last year.

Yeah it was Sandberg ('90 and '85) but I like how I was able to throw you guys off the scent with the phrasing of the question.

Corey didn't have no 3-HR game. He had a 2-HR game.

Oh wait, is the question who is the first to have both a 40HR and 50SB season, but not necessarily in the same season?

If so, then yeah, that's definitely happened.

Gaetti?

Corey didn’t have no 3-HR game. He had a 2-HR game.

Oops - that was a typo. You are right - it was a 2 HR game.

Michael Barrett?

yeah, the only record I could find for Corey was most RBI's in March. Maybe there's something else...

I think the Cubs should institue the rule that all of their minor league affiliates must play day games on every day when the Cubs are off. At least that would give us something to pass these days with. It feels like a week since we last had baseball...

He's tied for most home runs in March with the incomparable Vinny Castilla - who had the same triple crown numbers in '96 and '97 - can't believe anyone else has done that more than twice.

Go Vinnyª

CWTP: Re; C-Pat. Major League Batting record - most runs scored via "tagging up"?

Is it a "speed" stat?

Highest percentage of 'awesomeness'?

http://www.joesportsfan.com/column.php?storyi...
Some fun clips of Harry's broadcasts... Good for a few minutes of fun on a RIDICULOUSLY LONG off day...

Sorry, for being away.

Yes, the record I was looking for was most RBI's in March. Corey Patterson 7

Posada has the American League record at 6.

Congrats to those who got it right.

No shit. Well for all the bickering, this record doesn't really mean anything, but it was definitely interesting.

Rob -- I'm just guessing, but is it Gabby Hartnett ;-)

Corey's 7 RBIs is also the record for Opening Day, both of the March and April variety. He broke the record held by Ernie Banks, who had 5 on Opening Day in 1969. Another (in)auspicious year in Cub history.

From the Muskrat - on a slow day:

"Help me with the Jason Kendall trade. Put aside his career numbers, and this man is 33 and being paid upwards of $13 million to be both a poor offensive and poor defensive catcher. He has stopped less than 20 percent of the more than 70 stolen base attempts on him and is batting .226 with only two home runs. He brings us only veteran presence on a team that isn't exactly lacking for leadership or presence. Doesn't this trade prove that Michael Barrett was in fact sent away because of bad relations with our pitchers? ...
-- Cub fan in Florida

The Muskrat says, in part:
"The Cubs had nothing to do with his original contract, and will only be paying about $1.5 million for the rest of the year. The Pirates are still paying for that deal, and the Athletics are covering a large portion as well. Forget the money. Yes, he's had trouble throwing out runners. That could be him; it also could be the pitchers." Goes on to say how the pitchers "love" to have Kendall behind the plate...yadda yadda...

"Yes, he’s had trouble throwing out runners. That could be him; it also could be the pitchers."

Or it could be that Muskat lacks any resemblance of journalism (or intelectual) skills.

damn, Harang came out for the 10th inning

wow... helluva' game for Harang.

Weathers with the potential for the worst ever one inning of shutout baseball if he can get out of this.

and he Weathers the storm...

I didn't even know it was possible to load the bases twice and not allow any runs.

At the beginning of that frame, the announcers mentioned how many teams had representatives out to watch Weathers pitch tonight.

on to the bottom of 12...

a few more innings should soften up the bullpens, especially since both teams don't get a day off this week.

leadoff walks (2) in extra innings (for the team you're rooting for)...priceless.

cin's turn to play bases loaded 0 outs :)

Bases loaded, no outs...just one little run is needed.

Wahoo!

Come on Reds... you better score here - bases loaded, no outs, bottom of 12th.

Brewers lose, Brewers lose...2-1

Valentin isn't just a Cub killer

And there we go!!!!

I heart the Reds today!

Barrett NOT catching Maddux again...Pads winning vs Rocks 4-1, 5th; the Nomar corollary on the other side of the trade.

sosa still hits homers.

David Weathers was the Eyre of his day for us.

WTF?

Poor Balfour. He doesn't even give Brewers fans the satisfaction of coming up with a disparaging nickname for him.

santo and hughes will LOVE talking about "ball four"'s walks tomorrow.

hate to say that there are must wins in july, but seriously, zambrano against wells? let's go.

Zambrano-Wells
Lilly-Wainright
Marquis-Looper

Beat them bastards all three of em!

Rockies rallied for 5 in the bottom of the 8th, beating the Pads and Linebrink, 7-5.

Still 2 GB in the WC...Barrett groundout in a pinch hit appearance in the 9th.

make that 1.5 behind in the W/C, although Braves are ahead of the Bar-oids 4-1 in the 5th...so if they win they will be one GB the Pads.

Green Lantern:
hate to say that there are must wins in july, but seriously, zambrano against wells? let’s go.

I imagine the DBacks said that about Webb v. Marshall. The rest, of course, is history.

so comcast is saying fox most likely going down
i was thinking moore would go since only plays
first and third.
would have be nice to see fox start a game.

ESPN Radio reporting Cedeno up, Moore down.

Anyone else hearing about Xavier Nady to the Cubs? A friend of mine was saying he heard it discussed on WSCR, and there's like a 8 page thread about it on Cubs.com. Just wondering if any of you guys have seen anything.

haven't heard about Nady but a NSBB forum thread about Levine saying the Cubs were interested in Craig Monroe but the Tigers wanted Wuertz which apparently ended talks. Levine saying Cubs still looking for a RH Of'er...

http://www.northsidebaseball.com/Forum/viewto...

and if we're really even considering the likes of Craig Monroe, please just call up Matt Murton and save everyone some time.

remember that great June Ronny had?

446/509/782 with 12 bb's and 10 k's plus 4/4 on Sb's?

yeah well reality came in the form of July...

294/318/341 3 bb's/15 K's 1/2 on SB's

which Ronny do you think we'l get?

I wouldn't mind Nady. But it does confuse me a bit. Is he really going to be a right handed half of a platoon? Maybe.

Careerwise, he hits lefties very well,

.321 .392 .476

Strange choice but OK with me.

Can he play a little center?

Nady has played 43 games in CF in his career, looks like he can handle it.

I wouldn't mind him, he'd be a decent bat.

Rockies rallied for 5 in the bottom of the 8th ... Barrett groundout in a pinch hit appearance in the 9th.

So in other words... Barrett was responsible for the Padres loss?

So in other words… Barrett was responsible for the Padres loss?

Responsible no, cause he wasn't catching. But we can still blame him.

Responsible no, cause he wasn’t catching.

I was being sarcastic...

Ya gotta love this from todays paper here:

It's hard to find a middle infielder who has hit worse than Jack Wilson and Jose Castillo since 2005, but the Pirates have managed.

Welcome to Pittsburgh, Cesar Izturis
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07205/803935-2...

The funniest line:

Izturis has, in fact, the second worst OPS+ of any middle infielder with at least 2,000 plate appearances since 2001. Only Perez is worse, and he has been suspended 25 games for using amphetamines so the Pirates can't get him, at least not yet.

Here's some data about pop, or lack of it.

Home runs by various Cubs this season.

I've conflated home runs hit in various places, not all of them major-league. While I realize that a PCL homer is worth less than an NL homer, nobody has told me how much less. Also, young players tend to hit more, not fewer, dingers as they move through their mid and late twenties (assuming they advance and keep playing, which of course not all of them do).

Current Chicago Cubs:

Ramirez 16; Soriano 16; Fontenot 9; DLee 8; DeRosa 7; Pagan 7; Hill 4; Floyd 4; Jones 2; Theriot 2

In-between Cubs:

Fox 18; Moore 16; Cedeno 12

Current Iowa Cubs:

Kroeger 18; Hoffpauir 16; EPat 14; Soto 12; Coats 10; Pie 9; Murton 6

Some interesting items here that suggest (to me at least) that all is not well with the way the Cubs are configured on July 24th. Pie has more HRs than Lee; K. Hill has as many as Floyd; etc.

Pie has more HRs than Lee; K. Hill has as many as Floyd; etc.

Hmmm... maybe Pie should be playing 1b and Hill should be playing RF.

Some interesting items here that suggest (to me at least) that all is not well with the way the Cubs are configured on July 24th.

And by the way... if you really want to look at the Cubs offense, you should probably look at more than homeruns.

You imply that K. Hill is as good as Floyd simply because they have the same number of homeruns. But lets actually take a look at these two:
K.Hill: .171/.250/.314
Floyd: .296/.367/.408
Who would you rather have?

Baseball, and more specifically scoring runs, is about more than home runs.

Tuesday morning GUESS WHO THIS PLAYER IS

He says he's afraid of "nothing"
He doesn't like people touching his face.
His favorite place to take a vacation is Atlanta
His funniest teammate was (hilarious) Mike Fontenot
His hidden talent is "selective hearing"
For Christmas he wants a dozen X Bats R205

the answer here->>http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/news/page....

Man... is there anything worse (in sports) than a night game after a day off. I need a Cubs game to watch!

The Cub power numbers induce indigestion, not pennant fever, and need to be addressed.

I agree. Bench Lee and let's see what this Fox guy can do!

The Cub power numbers induce indigestion, not pennant fever, and need to be addressed.

Hmmm... The Cincinnati Reds are doing pretty well right now as they are leading the league in home runs.

The top four teams in home runs last year did not make the playoffs.

Three of the top four teams the previous year did not make the playoffs.

The Cardinals, who won the World Series, were 13th in MLB in home runs last year.

NATIONAL LEAGUE RUN DIFFERENTIAL:

1. CUBS +52
2. SD +50
3. LAD +43
4, MIL +37
5. NYM +32
6. PHI +25
7. ATL +17
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8. COL -3
9. SF -11
10. FLA -15
11. AZ -35
12. CIN -49
13. HOU -62
14. STL -78
15, PIT -79
16. WAS -104

dave,

your post is disingenuous. Homers don't cause wins. But hitting homers will help you score runs. Scoring runs help you win. So hitting many homers is always a good thing. We need more homers on this team.

I agree with you chad... hitting home runs helps you score runs, and helps you win.

but that does not necessarily mean that there is a problem with "the way the team was configured."

The Cubs are scoring runs (8th in NL - right in the middle), and winning games.

And while home runs are nice, Cinci shows that hitting homeruns only get you so far.

oh... and further...

The Cubs should be hitting more home runs. Soriano, Lee, and A-Ram all should have more home runs at this point than they have. I don't deny that.

But it doesn't make sense to make claims about minor leaguer's home run numbers in order to attack the way the Cubs team is configured. And it doesn't make sense to imply that the Cubs cannot be successful at their current rate of home runs.

I agree with you there. But your post makes it seem like you are trying to say the hitting home runs leads to losses.

But your post makes it seem like you are trying to say the hitting home runs leads to losses.

Not sure where you got that from - I said nothing about losses. I pointed out the home run totals and lack of playoff success simply to say that home runs were not necessary to win.

"Hmmm… The Cincinnati Reds are doing pretty well right now as they are leading the league in home runs.

The top four teams in home runs last year did not make the playoffs.

Three of the top four teams the previous year did not make the playoffs."

Home runs alone don't get you to the playoffs. Losses don't get you to the playoffs. Therefore homeruns lead to losses.

Neal, I really wasn't suggesting that we bench Lee, who is having a terrific year offensively and defensively. But most fans like a little power. You like an occasional home run, right? If you're not getting it from your first baseman, how about right field or center field?

I didn't advocate bringing up Jake Fox. I did a long time ago, when he was hitting .330 in AA. But then he fell to .280.

But the list of guys in the Cub organization with ten home runs is endless. It's not that hard to find guys with a little pop. Why not in Chicago?

The newest addition to "the list of guys in the Cub organization with ten home runs," by the way, is Matt Craig, third baseman at Tennessee, who's having an eye-opening year.

328/420/520 in 271 at bats with 10 HR, 44 RBI

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