Game 149 Thread / Cubs @ Cards (3 of 4)

Game Chat : BR Preview : Game Notes Sean Marshall vs. Joel Pineiro Lineups:
Soriano LF Taguchi LF
Jones CF Ryan SS
Lee 1B
>Pujols 1B Ramirez 3B Ludwick RF Floyd RF Edmonds CF DeRosa 3B Molina C Kendall C Spiezio 3B Theriot SS Pineiro P Marshall P Cairo 2B


Len says, "how about a 2 run homer"?

1 microsecond later, Soriano BOMB (with Marshall aboard)

Bob says,"we're going over to the riverboat tonight, partner."


*high five*

major divot in RF by Cliff Floyd on the popup by Ryan to DeRosa to end the 2nd inning.

Those were big skid marks...DeRosa was laughing pretty hard

From bad to Wuertz.

That was a horribly, dumb, lazy error by kendall.
2 thrown out at plate
1 left at 3rd with 1 out
1 lazy error probably leading to multiple runs.

nothing easy I guess.

brewers 5 reds 3, final

That is the second time in two days (i think) that Kendall has made an awful, lazy throw to 1st on a dropped third strike. The first time he did it didn't hurt hurt the Cubs. The second time probably cost the Cubs tonights game.

Physical errors happen. Mental errors even happen sometimes. But lazy mental errors should be unacceptable. There is absolutely no reason Kendall should be bouncing throws to first in that situation.

speaking of mental errors......

sending lee on the sac fly i have no problem with.....that was one of the weirdest plays ever with molina tagging lee from behind him

however, to send theriot on marshall's hit with soriano coming up and when it was hit right at taguchi was dumb. this one was a mistake by quade, and i said it before theriot rounded third. quade's been pretty good, but this one hurts bc you lost the game by 1 and the next guy hits a homer.

oh well. win tomorrow. come on marquis.

so when we make the playoffs the question is

blanco or soto?

marshall or trachsel?

cedeno or monroe ?
those are the 3 issues i came uup with.

When asked what Ramirez was upset about post-game, Pinella said he asked the first base coach and apparently Springer had said something to Ramirez.

I missed this part of the game. Any insights?

Bah. What a crappy inning the third was. Marshall seemed visibly upset about that boner by Kendall, and I think he just couldn't recover.

Overall though, a pretty encouraging day from the pitching perspective. Wood looked solid, Hart looked sharp, Dempster was very good in Game 1. I guess the offense is still the wild card. Will Lee find his clutch stroke? Will Theriot start reaching base again? Will Jacque Jones quit imitating First-Half Jacque Jones and quit rolling his wrists on and grounding out to second on every at-bat? If the answer to even one of these is "yes", I like the Cubs' chances.

I'll tell you why I agree, dave.

When you've got a kid out there who needs everything he's got to wiggle himself off the hook every inning, you can't make him 4 outs. That's going to be a disaster. And that's what happened. Maybe it was mental, maybe it was just rust.

Regardless, I've got to think the game unfolds differently if it's 2 out with 0 in that inning on as opposed to 1 out with 1 on.

this one was a mistake by quade, and i said it before theriot rounded third.

Very much agreed. I was pissed at that play - it wasn't even close, and it was clear that even a decent throw was going to be get the runner. Not a play you should have sent him on.


MJ Miller--Cards announcers thought that Springer was upset that Ramirez flipped his bat after popping up. This seems silly; clearly Ramirez was pissed that he hadn't gotten the job done. He wasn't trying to show up Springer.

But they did show Ramirez and Springer exchanging words as ARam trotted up the first base line and Springer was walking off towards the dugout.

Will Jacque Jones quit imitating First-Half Jacque Jones and quit rolling his wrists on and grounding out to second on every at-bat?

Ummm... Jock was 11 for his last 27 (.407 BA) with four walks (.484 OBP) before today. After today he is 13 for his last 35 (.371) with four walks (.436 OBP).

Pretty sure that Jones "rolling his wrists and grounding out to second" hasn't really been the problem with the Cubs' offense lately.

You got me, Dave...didn't do my homework on that one. :) Just impressions from today's ABs.

We're still okay, right? The what-have-you-done-for me-lately doesn't necessarily apply to the second game of a double header, does it?

**** me skatin'! Everything counts now.

1. it's one thing for kendall to be unable to throw out base-runners. (or air-mail his 2b-man); it is another thing entirely to not be able to reach 1b with a throw after a strike-out in the dirt. with 3 catchers on the roster, is ure hope kendall gets a couple of days off to "recuperate".

2. i may be the only guy in town who thought lee was safe at home in the 1st; lee didn't beef about it, nor did len and bob say anything. just looked to me like lee's lead leg/foot/toe hit the plate before the tag got lee.

3. the send of theriot made me clutch my chest in agony, and wonder how i missed the press release to "welcome back wavin' wendell". perhaps lou will give quade the day off today also, and make kendall the 3b coach while soto catches.

4. having 2 outs taken away at home (again, only my opinion on lee), and giving away a 4th out in the 3rd, means the cubs had to play one more inning than the cards. and the cubs just aren't good enough for that. here's hoping they get rid of all their poor luck and/or stupidity in september, so the decks are clear for october.

5. i kind of hope both theriot and derosa sit today. no big cedeno fan here, but t & d look gassed. and maybe even a ward for lee switch at 1b.

6. go cubs.

got this from this mornings sun-times:

About a half hour after Saturday's first game, stadium paramedics wheeled a young man on a stretcher off of an elevator. He was alert and chatty but had some blood on his shirt and shoes.
Immediately behind them, Cubs broadcaster Ron Santo stepped off the elevator and walked past a handful of reporters. ''I decked him,'' Santo deadpanned. ''Cardinals fan.''

also a Sun-Times feature article on Anita Piniella


Answers: Soto, Marshall, and Monroe.

I'm not sure Blanco is healthy, Trachsel is done with the job he was brought in to do, and they need a better RH bat then a middle infielder.

"We’re still okay, right? The what-have-you-done-for me-lately doesn’t necessarily apply to the second game of a double header, does it?"

We control our own destiny as of right now, so yeah, we are still okay. Unfortunately, the Brewers are too. Tied in the loss column with 13 games to go. Go Cubs!!!

While Marshall was off, I didn't think he pitched as badly as the results showed. Two of the hits were cheapy infield hits, there was the Kendall error and some other pretty poor defense including a really bad throw from Jones to home that could have gotten the runner and a poor route from Jones on a fly to center that maybe could have been caught.

I wasn't very happy with the quick pull Lou had today of pitchers after defensive mistakes. If he should have pulled anyone, it'd the guys who made the mistakes.

I'm a little concerned that Lou is pulling a Durocher. Some of these guys could sure use a day off-Jones, Theriot and even DeRosa. They look tired.

This game was very much like the loss to the Dodgers when Zambrano tried to score. The team started pressing so bad they couldn't execute.

I recommend a Craig Monroe start today against Mulder.

You ask for Monroe and you got him. And Murton. And Soto.

I'd REALLY like to see Monroe get 2 or 3 hits. Oy. He hasn't done much yet for us!

Hopefully Soto will remain hot. THIS TEAM NEEDS OFFENSIVE PRODUCTION!

A Soriano LF 0 0 0 0 0 0 .288
M DeRosa 2B 0 0 0 0 0 0 .286
D Lee 1B 0 0 0 0 0 0 .312
A Ramirez 3B 0 0 0 0 0 0 .316
M Murton RF 0 0 0 0 0 0 .268
C Monroe CF 0 0 0 0 0 0 .223
G Soto C 0 0 0 0 0 0 .333
R Cedeno SS 0 0 0 0 0 0 .127
J Marquis P

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    Rob Richardson 11 min 39 sec ago view
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    johann 1 hour 6 min ago view
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    Rob G. 1 hour 21 min ago view
  • The official police report on Chapman:

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    Old and Blue 3 hours 14 min ago view
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    Rob Richardson 3 hours 41 min ago view
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    Old and Blue 3 hours 46 min ago view
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    John Beasley 5 hours 15 min ago view
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    Rob G. 11 hours 25 min ago view
  • You mean Yankees?

    QuietMan 11 hours 28 min ago view
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    billybucks 11 hours 36 min ago view
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    The E-Man 11 hours 48 min ago view
  • FWIW, the Cubs would get a compensation draft pick between the 1st & 2nd rounds (around #35) if they extend a Qualifying Offer to Chapman post-2016 (probably about $17M), Chapman declines, and then he signs with another MLB club before next year's draft. 

    Arizona Phil 11 hours 54 min ago view
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    billybucks 12 hours 1 min ago view
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    Rob G. 12 hours 25 min ago view
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