Game 151 Thread/Reds @ Cubs (1 of 3)

Game Chat : BR Preview : Game Notes Bronson Arroyo vs. Rich Hill Lineups:
N. Hopper CF
iano LF J. Keppinger SS R. Theriot SS K. Griffey RF D. Lee 1B B. Phillips 2B A. Ramirez 3B A. Dunn LF C. Floyd RF E. Encarnacion 3B M. DeRosa 2B J. Cantu 1B J. Jones CF D. Ross C J. Kendall C B. Arroyo P R. Hill P The Reds lead the season series, 7-5, and have taken three of the four series between the teams, including both sets at Wrigley. Interestingly, the Cubs have outscored Cincinnati by a whopping 63-45 in the 12 games. Arroyo is 0-2 this season against the Cubs with one well-pitched no-decision (4 hits, 2 earned runs in 7 2/3 IP); Hill has a win and an ND against the Reds this year. The victory was a 7-0 whitewash back in April, against Arroyo. All in all, the skies may be getting sunnier for the Red Legs. The team has been playing well (37-30) since Pete Mackanin became manager, and since the last time the Cubs and Reds met, Cincy summoned first baseman Joey Votto to the big club. In Votto (.438 AVG and 1.264 OPS in 32 AB), Edwin Encarnacion, Norris Hopper, Jeff Keppinger, Brandon Phillips and minor league stud Jay Bruce, Cincinnati has an enviable combination of talent and youth: the six players listed have an average age a shade under 25. But that's future talk. As for now, the Cubs need to beat the Reds. If the Cubs can win two of three, the Reds will be officially eliminated from the NL Central race. Take that, Joe Morgan!


You would think that with Hill's trouble getting the ball to the plate quickly and Jason Kendall's horrible defense and throwing ability that Soto would be the man to catch Hill the rest of the way.

Guess we're going to see a lot of stolen bases tonight!

Is it just me or has Kendall's defensive abilitiy been way overstated? He backhands balls he should not, he isnt very mobile behind the plate, makes bad throwing decisions, and isnt any good with the bat either.

I think Soto cant be any worse. He should be starting from here on out.

I agree...I think the love affair with a veteran like Kendall needs to end right now. Sure, he's a stable force and I'm guessing the pitchers feel more comfortable with him, but what Soto brings to the plate in my opinion outweighs that with Kendall's horrid CS numbers, seems there is much more to gain in giving Soto some regular playing time here on out.

Oh boy. Now we're gonna fight over a catcher's offensive production versus his ability to "handle" pitchers or be good defensively.

I blame Barrett.

1st and 3rd, 1 runs. UGH!!!

MIL up 2-0 already.

anyone watching the game? I can't get into parachat

who else has noticed the old guy behind home plate with a pink hat? he's back there all the time! maybe it's oldcubfan or some other TCR reader? who knows?

Business as usual for the Cub offense with Hill on the mound. So frustrating.

2-1 WOO!!!

Floyd HR!!

Off his foot to deep into the night!!!

Floyd homers.

In the words of Bruce Wolf, "Boom-shaka-laka".


Not sure where that bat was all year, but I'll certainly take it late.

and DeRosa too.




Some support for Hill finally...

Now hold the lead Hill.

4-0 MIL...DAMN!!! Come on Hill...

Fuck 3-3....

Damn Soriano, hit the cutoff man. HORRIBLE throw...

Damn 4-3, there goes that lead. Hill out. Bang Gang play at 1st didn't go our way.

When is MLB going to get off of their asses and harshly assess the ridiculous calls that their umpires are making? That's three calls that have sucked in the last inning.

curve looking good? check
fastball looking good? check
control? check

bad inning, hook...get to use the pen for 4.1ip


It's September, in a pennant race, expanded rosters. It should be short hooks. Also, he was at 81 pitches and he wasn't even out of the 5th inning.

I definitely disagree with going to the pen this early, but they should be ready.

My problem tonight has come with the umpires. They have just been bad. I bet they have some money riding against the Cubbies.


What's the deal with letting up hits to pitchers?

Jones needs to wipe that smirk off Bronson Arroyo's face.

JJ coming through!! WOO!!! Tied up 4-4...NICE!!

yeah, but who you short hooking out and what you getting in return?

its not a bad pen, but isnt almost everyone in it already worked 2 days in a row except for wood/wuertz/eyre/hart?

we've used the "big guys" and it wasnt like hill didnt have his stuff...

Another hit for Arroyo..AMAZING!!

At least he isn't hitting HR's like he was off Rusch.

Hill gave up 4 ER, 7 hits and 1 BB in 4.2 innings and 81 pitches. How is that having his stuff?? Wuertz, Wood and Hart can all go 2 innings.

Damn 5-4, JJ dove for ball missed it with 2 outs and guy from 1st scores.

Eyre, 1 pitch, 1 hit, 1 run. 6-4...UGH!!!

hill got screwed in 1 inning and 2 of those plays could/should have been outs.

but what's important is he had his stuff, not 1 inning.

he wasnt even coming unglued. he had his stuff, he had a bad happens.

and btw...what you think of those first 4 innings since you got a problem with his 4.2ip of ball?

Theriot appears to be pressing. His throw to DeRosa on the grounder by Hopper was crap.

Hill gave up the tying run and go ahead run off of fastballs while ahead 1-2 in the count. Getting beat on your inferior pitch while ahead in the count is stupid.

Stupid pitching is bad pitching.

not being able to get Arroyo out the last 2 innings has costs us the last 5 runs

Man, Soriano looks horrible running. Limping...

"and btw…what you think of those first 4 innings since you got a problem with his 4.2ip of ball?"

First 4 innings were good, but the 5th was not good and he was already up to 81 pitches. I have no problem with the move by Lou.

Where are you running to Soraino??? Stupid baserunning!!

Hill gave up the tying run and go ahead run off of fastballs while ahead 1-2 in the count. Getting beat on your inferior pitch while ahead in the count is stupid. Stupid pitching is bad pitching.

Easy. You're not exactly being correct there.

Nice play Theriot/Soriano...Man this game is such a roller coaster to watch.

Pitchers are batting .326 against the Cubs this month, according to my count: 10-31 with 3 runs, 2 doubles and 12 strikeouts.

Oh yeah and we can't forget about Loaiza's 2 RBI.

Let's see if we can tee off against the putrid Reds BP.

#33 Wes, please explain how I'm not correct.

According to Yahoo, Oswalt isn't scheduled pitch Wednesday against the Brewers? He pitched Friday, so Wed. would be his normal day.

The fix is in.

They said something on the broadcast tonight about Oswalt's wife having a baby.

Craig Monroe -- terrible with Detroit, terrible with Chicago. Take the hint, Lou.

MIL wins 6-0...Time to score some runs...

It looks like the Cubs have scored all their runs for tonight. As usual, the offense scored a few runs early in the game and took the night off.

Reds poised to ruin another season for us...


Roller Coaster I tell ya!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!




6-6 nobody out

I'll shut up now.

extra infielders, very smart move


Are we having fun yet?



CUBS WIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!

UGLY GAME, But a W!!!!!!!!!!

Cubs Win Cubs Win Holy Cow!!!!

That annoying "Go Cubs Go" song never sounded better.

I wonder how much shit MIL just broke in that HOU visiting clubhouse????????

Way to go Derosa!!!


Biggest win of the year!!!!!

Speechless...they looked bad most of the game but got the W...unbelievable!!!

Not a promising start from Hill.

He's been looking more like the AAAA pitcher we had been seing until the 2nd half of last year recently. I'd honestly almost feel more comfortable with Traschel at this point.

But hard to complain about this win, the crowd was terrific in the 9th.

Thats the David Weathers I remember

11 games to go, tied in the loss column and we control our own destiny, not bad!!! Go Cubs Go!!!


What a great comeback!!

And it's sooooooo important to keep pace with Milwaukee in this series because the effing Astros are folding like a cheap suit.

Weathers breakdown...nice job by Eyre, Hart, and Ohman at the end....Theriot set the table and Hopper couldn't rob Ramirez for the 2nd time and Derosa with the hit to win the game.

I'll be happy with winning the series vs the Reds no matter what Milwaukee does.

This was Lou's plan all along, right?

From empirical evidence, it is a physical law of the universe that late inning leads must entail Marmol/Howry/Dempster appearances. They are unable to go, therefore we shouldn't play for a late inning lead. Hence the only possible way to win is to take the lead in the bottom of the 9th. QED.

Anyone else not impress with Soriano in the field tonite?

Bob making excuses of him not going to the wall, then next inning Reds CF slams into wall

Then bad throw, and then bad base running.

Lou needs to get a foot up his ass.

I'm 48 years old, but was jumping up and down, yelling "Run! Run!!!" at my TV on the Ramiez triple. Wow -- I thought for sure that we were in for another Carlos Lee heartbreak when the Reds CF dove for the ball.


Five hits for DeRosa, including the game-winner.

All the games are huge now, but nice to see them come up big.

And how about 5 for 5 for DeRosa? Hell of a game for him.

I think Bud Selig needs to step in and tell the Oswalt family that its not in the best interest of baseball for them to have their baby now.

I think Kevin Hart and Soto have earned a spot on the playoff roster.

How many games is the record for a position player to be in without an at bat? I remember the A's had an Olympic sprinter by the name of Herb Washington back in the 70's. All he did was pinch run. Sam Fuld is our Herb Washington.


According to Yahoo, Oswalt isn’t scheduled pitch Wednesday against the Brewers? He pitched Friday, so Wed. would be his normal day.


I’d honestly almost feel more comfortable with Traschel at this point [than Hill].


Glad you aren't managing this team.

i to am of the soto and hart on a playoff
any way that wuertz can join ohman

#33 Wes, please explain how I’m not correct.

The answer is two fold.

First, you can't throw your best pitch 100% of the time when you get ahead in the count. You can throw it a couple times 0-2 or 1-2, but when you can't get it by them, you have to throw something else. You can throw it more than you normally would. That's common sense. Throw your out pitch with two strikes. But you've still got to keep them honest with fastballs. You have to mix your pitches just like any other situation in an AB. If he always threw a curve when he was ahead, it wouldn't be much of a guessing game for the hitter, now would it? Part of the methodology is also to try to sneak a fastball by them when they're sitting on the deuce, which brings me to point numero dos.


He threw his fastball tonight just about as well as he's ever thrown it. Got it to ride very nicely up in the zone, which is why he struck all those guys out the first two trips through the order. If you saw the Reds broadcast tonight, Brantley was talking a lot about how he's able to do that because he tucks his thumb under when he grips his fastball. Usually he hammers that thing down at the knees or in on the hands. Was able to get it just high enough to make it impossible enough. When you go up there, and they keep flailing and missing, common sense would tell you to keep going up there. He did until they started hitting it, which is right around the time you started complaining, Jackstraw.

impossible hit...

It's said a lot that if a major league hitter knows what pitch is coming, they can hit it every time. You simply cannot throw hard enough or well enough to get it bye these hitters. That is why you mix up pitches and why Hill really needs a 3rd pitch in the offseason.

I kind of tuned in and out until the 9th, but I'm assuming the 7 k's through the first 4 meant Hill had some good stuff. Who knows if the leg bothered him or just had a bad inning but it was obviously just a quick September hook. He could of easily gotten out of that inning for all we know and made it 7 innings and 4 ER, not to mention the few supposed bad calls. stated above...hill's stuff was just as good in the 5th as it was the 1st...he was just getting hit. hell, there were a couple chances to end that inning. it was just a bad inning.

his curve was still filthy and he had his location on both his pitches. last i checked that's about the best you can hope from him.

i know a rightie was coming up (encarcenon) but hell, there was a runner on 1st with 2 out.

im not a fan of the too-regular "quick hook" as it is, but at least take a guy out when he's not got his game and when your top 3 relievers dont have 2 days in a row of work behind them...

ultimately, its a lotta nothing...who says its not time for the B-team relievers to have their day? im not a fan of the short hook showing up so much, but ultimately its not really a huge deal in the scheme of things unless the pen is being burnt to chance of that this time of year.

Rob G.:
"He could of easily gotten out of that inning for all we know and made it 7 innings and 4 ER, not to mention the few supposed bad calls."

And he could of easily gave up 3-4 more runs that inning and blown the Cubs out of the game. Kudos to Lou!!

RE: #74.

Thanks for the explanation, Wes. I see your point. Hard to tell on Gameday how good his fastball was.

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