Brewers Drive Cubs (and AZ Phil) to Drink

The Brewers Arizona Instructional League team took advantage of five errors, two passed balls, and three wild pitches, en route to a 7-4 victory over the Cubs AZ Instructional League team at Maryvale Sports Complex Field #7 (AKA "Paul Molitor Field") in Phoenix this afternoon. (The "Big Stadium" at Maryvale was pre-booked for the championship game of some national senior league baseball tournament, so the Brewers and Cubs had to play their game down on the "Lower 40"). Here is today's abridged box score (Cubs players only): LINEUP: 1. Leon Johnson, CF (0-3, R, BB, K) 2. Tony Thomas, 2B (1-3, R, BB) 3. Steve Clevenger, 1B (1-3, RBI, BB) 4. Tyler Colvin, DH #1 (1-4, RBI, 2B, BB, K) 5A. Brandon Guyer, DH #2 (0-2, RBI, HBP, K) 5B. Gian Guzman, PH (0-1, K) 6A. Josh Donaldson, C (2-2, R, 2 2B, BB) 6B. Carlos Perez, C (1-1) 7A. Josh Vitters, 3B (1-3, GIDP) 7B. Jovan Rosa, PH (0-1, K) 8. Jonathan Wyatt, LF (0-4, RBI, GIDP, K) 9. Darwin Barney, SS (1-2, R, BB) 10. Cliff Andersen, RF (1-3, 2B, K) NOTE: Brewers permitted Colvin to take an additional AB between Vitters and Wyatt in 6th inning. PITCHERS: 1. Dumas Garcia: 2.0 IP, 2 H, 3 R (3 ER), 2 BB, 1 K, 1 WP (36 pitches, including 31 pitches in 2nd inning) 2. Jose Ceda: 1.0 IP, 1 H, 1 R (0 ER), 1 BB, 1 K, 1 WP (29 pitches, fastball topped out at 98 MPH) 3. Matt Maradeo: 2.0 IP, 5 H, 3 R (2 ER), 0 BB, 2 K, 1 WP (34 pitches) 4. Stephen Vento: 1.0 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 2 K (18 pitches) 5. Mark Pawelek: 1.0 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 0 K (10 pitches) 6. Rafael Cova: 1.0 IP, 0 H, 0 R, 2 BB, 1 K (20 pitches) ERRORS: Josh Donaldson - 3 (one overthrow trying to throw out base-stealer at 2nd base allowing runner to advance to 3rd, one overthrow trying to pick runner off 1st base allowing runer to advance to 2nd, and one overthrow trying to throw out runner trying to advance from 2nd to 3rd base after play at the plate allowing runner to score). Jose Ceda - 1 (fumbled throw back from catcher between pitches, then leisurely walked over and picked up the ball as the runner scored from 3rd base). Leon Johnson - 1 (overthrew 2nd base trying to throw out runner attempting to stretch single into double, allowing runner to advance to 3rd). CATCHERS DEFENSE: Josh Donaldson: 0-3 CS, 2 PB, 3 ERRORS (see above) Carlos Perez: 0-2 CS ATTENDANCE: 9


Teach them Cubbery while they're still young.

Atta way, player development department.

new rule Phil, for every game attended by less than ten, we want a list of names.

Do they sell beer at these games?

I couldn't imagine watching them sober.

jacos — October 12, 2007 @ 7:54 pm
Do they sell beer at these games?

I couldn’t imagine watching them sober.



There are no concessions, no scorecards, no PA announcer, no music, no "first-pitch" thrown out by somebody you've never heard of, no between-innings contests. and no 7th inning stretch at Instructional League games.

The games start whenever the umpires show up.

And then it's just baseball.

Sometimes the baseball isn't very good, but it is all baseball all the time.

and do you pay to get in? Or is there any "in"?

AZ Phil,

As long as it's baseball, that's all that matters. I wish I still lived there and we could hang out at a few of these games..........go to Vito's for pizza and refreshments afterwards.

Reds offer Jocketty either President or CEO title but would keep Krivsky as GM.

What's Leon Johnson's hitting problem, the curvy pitches?

That really sounds like my idea of Heaven, Phil.

And completely and totally OT, but Rotoworld teaches me that the Rockies have a 25 year old 3Bman in AA whose name is Christian Colonel.

I so hope they play "Onward, Christian Soldier" whenever he comes up to the plate.

If a Rockie gets hurt in the playoffs, I hope he's eligible to join their crusade for the championship.

I hear his improved defense this year has been a real revelation.

Andy — October 12, 2007 @ 10:03 pm
and do you pay to get in? Or is there any “in”?

ANDY: There is no charge to attend the Instructional League games. The gates are open, you just walk right in.

The AFL games, however, are like regular games. Sort of. Like, you have to pay to get in, and there is a PA announcer and between-innings music, and there is a concession stand (only one, though, and the menu is very limited).

The big difference between an AFL game and a "regular" minor league game is about 1/3 of the "fans" are scouts. And when they do the 7th inning stretch and play a tape of "Teke Me Out to the Ball Game," nobody sings. And it's VERY quiet during game. All you can hear are the click of stop watches and the scouts' pens writing.

The Real Neal — October 13, 2007 @ 12:53 am
What’s Leon Johnson’s hitting problem, the curvy pitches?



(throws tomato at transmission...)

Sounds cool, Phil.

You should have a guess the attendance game when you do your reports.

Santo would still be off on his guess, by at least 2000.

Re Lou's "more athletic" comment quoted in the schedule thread yesterday:

If Pie plays more and Patterson replaces Floyd on the roster, that's more athletic.

At some point next season they may envision Colvin taking Jones's roster spot. Given Jones's age, arm and baserunning propensities, that's more athletic.

Fuld is athletic but it's hard to see where he fits in.

Thanks AZ Phil.

If we use the official MLB attendance policy the Instructional league games would all have the same attendance, zero.

Schilling is looking at a one year contract (who said that?) and has a short list of contending teams. Would have to think that the Cubs will be one of them.

Are you serious about the attendance numbers? I always see something like 12 or in this case 9. I keep thinking it's a joke of some sort that I don't get.

Is this open to the public?

AZPhil - if you had to pick just one CF for the Cubs CF who would it be? Fuld or Pie

LOL, Trans, to both lol-able posts.


Ouch, hope this is an aberration defensively for Donaldson.

This was pretty sweet:

Most popular ringtones:

1. Mosquito (The one only kids can hear)
2. "Go Cubs, Go"
3. "Crazy Frog"...

"Would have to think that the Cubs will be one of them."

Mrs. Schilling is is a melnomia survivor and cant be in the sun for long and does like to be at all of Curt's starts. So that might take the Cubs off his list, even though I would love to have him. I know when he was the with that one Phoenix team they rolled keep the roof closed for all of his starts. I imagine the Cubs could use their alloted night games at home for Schilling starts. Though I honestly cant see him not signing with the Phillies. His off-season home is in the Philly area and that team is closer to a World Series than we are.

Mrs. Schilling can have a cozy skybox.

Or she could work at the Skybox.

Like I said with his ego and healthy historical perspective the Cubs would be a perfect fit.

That said I don't know if I want him.

There is also the small detail about money. I am sure he doesnt want a pay cut from the 13 million he made last year. Also either he or Z would have to give up 38. Though There would probably be a clause for in his contract saying the team has to fit the bill for what Z wants in exchange for the number.

"His off-season home is in the Philly area and that team is closer to a World Series than we are."

Not really.

"Also either he or Z would have to give up 38."

I doubt that would an issue in signing him.

a soon to be 41 year old 4.00era curt schilling that's given up more hits than IP for the past 3 years and couldnt make a full season this year?

isnt there a better way to gamble 15+m?

btw, the only plus i can see to having schilling around is he is an active historian of the game unlike any in recent memory.

he's probably got more intimate in-game action, pre-game action, and post-game action on his own personal video than Fox has in their vaults.

i just hope he actually manages to edit it all down into a respectable multi-volume piece one day.

btw, i dont give the whole schilling thing a chance in hell, but i was surprised when soriano came aboard so who knows...

still, think the bat upgrade is a bit more pressing to the club and they've got tradable parts to work with in excess.

Ryno — October 13, 2007 @ 10:15 am
Are you serious about the attendance numbers? I always see something like 12 or in this case 9. I keep thinking it’s a joke of some sort that I don’t get.

Is this open to the public?


RYNO: The AZ Instructional League consists of what are essentially minor league all-star teams, the games are open to the public, they are free, and those are the correct attendance figures.

you got a better idea of a pitcher to bring in?

His ERA's the last 2 years were better than Ted Lilly's last 2 years in Toronto (or at any point) and he may gave up a few too many hits but more than makes up for it by almost never walking anybody. I'll take 1.25 WHIP and assume it'll go down a bit by the NL move.

And an almost 4 ERA in the AL isn't too bad I'd say, ERA+ numbers of 118 and 116 the last 2 years.

(Quick sidenote, the league ERA was actually higher in the NL this year than the AL by .01)

It's free agency, you're going to overspend a bit, for the name, the veteran moxie and the playoff reputation but that's the nature of free agency.

"a soon to be 41 year old 4.00era curt schilling that’s given up more hits than IP for the past 3 years and couldnt make a full season this year?"

4.00? no. under 4.00 in every year but one since 1994. Sure his hits are up but his K/BB ratio this year was almost 5 to 1. Worth the risk.

Rory — October 13, 2007 @ 10:51 am
AZPhil - if you had to pick just one CF for the Cubs CF who would it be? Fuld or Pie


RORY: Felix Pie, but only because Pie has so much potential. But I like Sam Fuld very much, too. Fuld could probably play CF and hit lead-off for a few MLB clubs right now. He's a real instigator. But if he remains with the Cubs, he would probably never be more than the 4th OF (LF-CF-RF-PR).

Navin — October 13, 2007 @ 11:50 am
Ouch, hope this is an aberration defensively for Donaldson.


NAVIN: I'm not sure it's an aberration. Hopefully he can remain a catcher, because he would have tremendous value as a power-hitting catcher.

But it's his bat that will get him to the big leagues. He has more HR power than any player in the Cubs farm system, and he's a dangerous hitter under any circumstances.

Personally, I believe he will (as happened with Paul Konerko) end up getting moved from catcher to 1B, making him the heir-apparent to Derrek Lee after Lee's contract expires following the 2010 season.

"you got a better idea of a pitcher to bring in?"

yeah, no one.

let marshall take the #5 slot...hart's in the mix if marshall's inept...there's also mr. gallagher as a backup.

i just dont see the need unless they wanna flip marshall+??? for someone like reteria or some mlb-ready RF'r type who's got some pop.

not calling it impossible, i just dont think entering a bidding for for a SP in this market isnt a good idea when its not a pressing need.

"4.00? no. under 4.00 in every year but one since 1994. Sure his hits are up but his K/BB ratio this year was almost 5 to 1. Worth the risk."

well, he's gonna be 41...he has had 1 full season in the last 3 seasons...he did have an ERA in the 5.60's 3 years ago where he only played 1/2 season...he's a 6 inning pitcher now...and while he's still not walking guys they are hitting him a lot better.

there's a lot of risk there...he's been an injury concern his entire career and now he's 41 without his strikeout dominance and isnt exactly in great shape.

"not calling it impossible, i just dont think entering a bidding for for a SP in this market isnt a good idea when its not a pressing need."

bidding war...

market is a...

proofreading #1

I'll take what we can get. If he gets hurt you start Gallagher or Hart. But Schilling, when healthy, is very effective and would be a great #4.

Well, there are a couple of things I have learned over the last few years, and one of them is starting pitching is always a pressing need.

The places to upgrade are Short, Right Field, Center Field, Closer and Starter. It's unlikely that we will upgrade in center. There's not too many obvious moves at short or right. That leaves pitching.

given that ATL has/should/could shopping renteria SS isnt out of the realm and RF isnt out of reach of trade or FA.

while i wouldnt bitch about snagging schilling i dont think its a pressing need...and while i'd take schilling over 2 of the guys in the cubs 5 i dont think you can count on him at this point in his career with the type of $$ it'd take to get him.

"the type of $$ it’d take to get him."

It's not your money. Now if you want to say that the 1 year deal for 15 mil or whatever would keep us from getting someone else we could really use, well, then you have an argument. But a one year deal? No biggie.

schilling 07 isnt schilling 01...hell, he's not even schilling 06.

i dont know why this guy interests too many cubs fans given his performance this season, especially.

he's losing velocity across the board and while he's a great pitcher i wouldnt feel too great about having a 41 year old schilling who is NOT nolan ryan. schilling's body isnt the type you get by going into the gym 5 times a week.

i think there's more to be gained from upgrading RF and/or SS than anything involving schilling in the rotation.

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