Golden Gloves

Awards season has started and a Cub walked away with some gold glove hardware. This is Derrek Lee's third glove of the golden variety and while he probably didn't deserve it (most metrics show Albert Pujols as the superior NL first basemen), he won nonetheless. The full list: American League P - Johan Santana C - Ivan Rodriguez 1B - Kevin Youklis 2B - Placido Polanco SS - Orlando Cabrera 3B - Adrian Beltre OF - Torii Hunter, Grady Sizemore, Ichiro Suzuki National League P - Greg Maddux (Gold Glove #17, you have a sense he'll still be collecting these after he retires) C - Russ Martin 1B - Derrek Lee 2B - Orlando Hudson SS - Jimmy Rollins 3B - David Wright OF - Carlos Beltran, Andruw Jones, Jeff Francouer/Aaron Rowand (the two tied in voting) I don't have access today to the usual defensive metrics I follow, but for the most part that seems about right other than Ryan Braun should have won for NL third basemen (I kid, I kid). Last time I did check, Troy Tulowitzki was way ahead among NL shortstops but they don't give Gold Gloves to rookies. Congrats to Derrek Lee! ----- Also a quick update that Bruce Levine on ESPN 1000 is reporting that Ryan Dempster will be moved into the starting rotation for next season. I'm going to just hope that he gets traded before it ever actually gets there. UPDATE: What some of the defensive metrics say about the NL gold glove winners after the jump.... The Hardball Times RZR: NL 1B - Pujols (Lee was 5th) 2B - Brandon Phillips (Hudson was 9th) SS - Omar Vizquel (Rollins was 9th) 3B - Pedro Feliz (Wright was 5th, Aramis was 4th) OF - Andruw Jones, Carlos Beltran, Eric Byrnes Defensive Win Shares calculated at The Hardball Times C- Chris Snyder (Martin 2nd) 1B - Derrek Lee (Pujols 5th) 2B - Brandon Phillips (Hudson 2nd) SS - Troy Tulowitzki (Rollins 9th) 3B - Ryan Zimmerman (Wright 3rd, Aramis 2nd) OF - Andruw Jones, Chris Young, Carlos Beltran Baseball Prospectus RAA2 (Runs Above Average) (I don't know a way to sort this so I just checked some of the top players, if you find someone that rates higher, let me know.) C- Yadier Molina (21) 1B - Albert Pujols (24) 2B - Brandon Phillips (27) SS - Troy Tulowitzki (31) 3B - Aramis Ramirez (25) OF - Eric Byrnes (22), Jacque Jones (13 in CF), Alfonso Soriano (21) John Dewan's +/- System 1B - Albert Pujols (+37) 2B - Chase Utley (+22) SS - Troy Tulowitzki (+35) 3B - Pedro Feliz (+27) OF - Eric Byrnes (+28), Carlos Beltran (+25 ), Andruw Jones (+24) Some of these aren't very fair comparisions as they'll compare left fielders to other left fielders and so forth and I bunched them up like the Gold Glove awards do into just outfielders. I think the awards should be separated into LF, CF and RF myself, but for some reason the Gold Glove committee hasn't caught on quite yet.


David Wright gold glove---that's a joke---21 errrors and fielding % of .954-----ARam---10 errors and fielding % of .972----I know Wright had 100 more chances, but the fielding % tells the better defender

GG a joke?

r.palmeiro disagrees.

background for those that may not know...

in 99 palmeiro won the GG (after winning it 2 years prior somewhat legitimately) after playing a grand total of 28 games there.

the people who claimed the voters barely paid attention to the game, itself, and voted on name-brand popularity were given a gift of proof that couldnt have been more properly packaged and delivered than that incident.

Who votes on the Golden Glove awards?

GG is a joke for the most part but David Wright did deserve it.

Fielding percentage/errors are an extremely flawed way of measuring defense.

is it managers? or managers and coaches?

In the ESPN article, it says Managers and coaches... so, how many coaches, I wonder? Is it just the pitching coach, or would it include the hitting coach, first base coach, third base coach, roving baserunning instructor, etc?

I'm looking at some of the defensive numbers and I might have been wrong about David Wright, seems Ryan Zimmerman or Pedro Feliz were better options. And Aramis and him were neck and neck.

Trading Dempster sounds fine to me.

Or if Dempster is moved into the rotation, I would be fine also if that meant Marquis gets traded.

Otherwise, I'm not so hot on that idea. The rotation would then be Z, Lilly, Hill, Marquis, Dempster?

That's not as good as the 2007 rotation, is it?

I updated the post fwiw with some info on defensive ratings...

oh yeah, apparently that same radio report said Wood, Howry and Marmol would battle for the closer duties in spring training if Wood is re-signed.

"Trading Dempster sounds fine to me.

Or if Dempster is moved into the rotation, I would be fine also if that meant Marquis gets traded."

I agree. Having both Marquis and Dempster in the rotation is a recipe for disaster, IMO. I think next year Marquis will only get worse and Dempster will be right in line with his previous career starting numbers.

quotes from Beinfest, Dombrowski, Hendry about how Arod doesn't make sense financially.

one of the cub starters are get traded

probally marshall although there are a couple others
that would be better.

maybe we can attach marshall to either
dempster or marquis

if hendry wanted to trade dempster he could probably find 29 takers (unless he's injured).

guy makes 5.5m and is on the hook for 1 year...j.piniero started off the 08 FA season snagging a 2yr/13m deal.

The thing about fielding metrics for first basemen is that they don't include error prevention of the other infielders, where Lee reigns supreme. My recollection is that the Cubs had very few throwing errors. I don't know a site that shows that but I would be extremely suprised if they didn't have the fewest in the league.

Real Neal, you may be right on that and maybe that explains it. I was actually a bit surprised when I found out DLee won. Maybe I'm getting jaded from watching him play, but he seemed to be a step slow all season around the bag. There were many plays in which I thought to myself, "he would have made that play two years ago." Maybe he just raised the bar so high in '04 and '05 that even his '07 version couldn't measure up.

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  • jacos 18 min 21 sec ago view
  • For sure! Russell and Baez are the first infielders in a while to make me think of star defensive players in football or basketball--it's almost like they force turnovers, and they definitely play the field with a degree of athletic aggression I'd expect from a linebacker.

    [Edit: Was meant to be a response to JB above.]

    Charlie 1 hour 24 min ago view
  • tebow hit a HR in the 1st pitch he sees in instructs..lulz.

    crunch 1 hour 31 min ago view
  • I don't think his issue(s) will have anything to do with it. He hasn't hit since he's been back. Coghlan has the hot hand.

    Tito 3 hours 55 min ago view
  • I'm not a denier but definitely a skeptic on Strop and Grimm, who struggle with fastball control. Strop doesn't go near the ninth inning, and note how Grimm couldn't close the deal even with a 5-run lead. So Felix Pena comes in and gets the 3-pitch game-ending strikeout like it was nothing.

    And how about Almora missing that very catchable ball? That was unexpected after all the hype about his glove.

    When Trea Turner misses balls like that--which he does--I draw conclusions from it. It seems to be the one chink in his armor. But I'll give Almora another chance.

    VirginiaPhil 3 hours 59 min ago view
  • Assuming Soler is good to go, I think it comes down to 3 of the following 4: Coghlan, TLS, Sczcur, Almora. Of the 4, TLS seems to be the hardest to justify, particularly given his behavioral issues.

    billybucks 4 hours 5 min ago view
  • I'm wondering if both Coghlan and LaStella make it. With Javy being able to play all the infield spots and Joe maybe wanting late-inning D when Soler plays (assuming he plays), hence either Szczur or Almora, I think LaStella might be the odd guy out.

    Tito 4 hours 8 min ago view
  • Hendricks needs the win, anyway, plus a couple more.

    My hunch is that Hendricks wins the Cy Young . . . for Lester. That is, without Hendricks tipping the scale toward the Cubs, Scherzer tops Lester.

    VirginiaPhil 4 hours 21 min ago view
  • Old Cub fans remember when Ken Hubbs died at 22 in the crash of a small plane he was piloting in a storm in Utah in 1964. But Hubbs was not an elite power pitcher like Score and Fernandez. Score lived a long time after the accident but it was (effectively) career-ending.

    VirginiaPhil 4 hours 24 min ago view
  • HAGSAG: Since I've only seen them throw in one game and in one "live" BP session, all I can do is provide initial first impressions.

    Brailyn Marquez is listed at 6'4 but is probably more like 6'5 or 6'6. I would describe him as a younger version of Bryan Hudson, throwing a ton of ground balls but not getting a lot of swings & misses (yet). Because of his size he could eventually grow into more velocity, but right now he's mostly a pitch-to-contact guy. He generally throws strikes.

    Arizona Phil 4 hours 30 min ago view
  • Phil, do Marquez and Ocampo look like prospects?

    Hagsag 8 hours 14 min ago view
  • It helps when your defense has declared war against the H in WHIP.

    Still impressive.

    John Beasley 8 hours 16 min ago view
  • Lackey finishes with a 3.35 ERA. Currently good for 13th in the NL. Not bad for a guy signed to be a #3 starter in a 15-team league.

    He is also 6th in WHIP. Pretty amazing: Cubs have the #2, #3, #5 and #6 starters in WHIP.

    billybucks 15 hours 11 min ago view
  • Completely meaningless game, but Pena striking out Sean the Turd to with the bases loaded was very fun.

    Other than one bad game in SD, Pena has been very good. Even with that game, 9.0 IP, 13 K, 0.89 WHIP.

    billybucks 15 hours 15 min ago view
  • 101 wins...most since 1910 (104).

    neat. ...or sad. pick one. pick both. 'murica.

    crunch 15 hours 31 min ago view
  • Just looked up Grimm's stats -- after a great run, he gave up 2 runs vs. MIL then didn't pitch for 10 days. Don't remember why?

    billybucks 15 hours 34 min ago view