Golden Gloves

Awards season has started and a Cub walked away with some gold glove hardware. This is Derrek Lee's third glove of the golden variety and while he probably didn't deserve it (most metrics show Albert Pujols as the superior NL first basemen), he won nonetheless. The full list: American League P - Johan Santana C - Ivan Rodriguez 1B - Kevin Youklis 2B - Placido Polanco SS - Orlando Cabrera 3B - Adrian Beltre OF - Torii Hunter, Grady Sizemore, Ichiro Suzuki National League P - Greg Maddux (Gold Glove #17, you have a sense he'll still be collecting these after he retires) C - Russ Martin 1B - Derrek Lee 2B - Orlando Hudson SS - Jimmy Rollins 3B - David Wright OF - Carlos Beltran, Andruw Jones, Jeff Francouer/Aaron Rowand (the two tied in voting) I don't have access today to the usual defensive metrics I follow, but for the most part that seems about right other than Ryan Braun should have won for NL third basemen (I kid, I kid). Last time I did check, Troy Tulowitzki was way ahead among NL shortstops but they don't give Gold Gloves to rookies. Congrats to Derrek Lee! ----- Also a quick update that Bruce Levine on ESPN 1000 is reporting that Ryan Dempster will be moved into the starting rotation for next season. I'm going to just hope that he gets traded before it ever actually gets there. UPDATE: What some of the defensive metrics say about the NL gold glove winners after the jump.... The Hardball Times RZR: NL 1B - Pujols (Lee was 5th) 2B - Brandon Phillips (Hudson was 9th) SS - Omar Vizquel (Rollins was 9th) 3B - Pedro Feliz (Wright was 5th, Aramis was 4th) OF - Andruw Jones, Carlos Beltran, Eric Byrnes Defensive Win Shares calculated at The Hardball Times C- Chris Snyder (Martin 2nd) 1B - Derrek Lee (Pujols 5th) 2B - Brandon Phillips (Hudson 2nd) SS - Troy Tulowitzki (Rollins 9th) 3B - Ryan Zimmerman (Wright 3rd, Aramis 2nd) OF - Andruw Jones, Chris Young, Carlos Beltran Baseball Prospectus RAA2 (Runs Above Average) (I don't know a way to sort this so I just checked some of the top players, if you find someone that rates higher, let me know.) C- Yadier Molina (21) 1B - Albert Pujols (24) 2B - Brandon Phillips (27) SS - Troy Tulowitzki (31) 3B - Aramis Ramirez (25) OF - Eric Byrnes (22), Jacque Jones (13 in CF), Alfonso Soriano (21) John Dewan's +/- System 1B - Albert Pujols (+37) 2B - Chase Utley (+22) SS - Troy Tulowitzki (+35) 3B - Pedro Feliz (+27) OF - Eric Byrnes (+28), Carlos Beltran (+25 ), Andruw Jones (+24) Some of these aren't very fair comparisions as they'll compare left fielders to other left fielders and so forth and I bunched them up like the Gold Glove awards do into just outfielders. I think the awards should be separated into LF, CF and RF myself, but for some reason the Gold Glove committee hasn't caught on quite yet.


David Wright gold glove---that's a joke---21 errrors and fielding % of .954-----ARam---10 errors and fielding % of .972----I know Wright had 100 more chances, but the fielding % tells the better defender

GG a joke?

r.palmeiro disagrees.

background for those that may not know...

in 99 palmeiro won the GG (after winning it 2 years prior somewhat legitimately) after playing a grand total of 28 games there.

the people who claimed the voters barely paid attention to the game, itself, and voted on name-brand popularity were given a gift of proof that couldnt have been more properly packaged and delivered than that incident.

Who votes on the Golden Glove awards?

GG is a joke for the most part but David Wright did deserve it.

Fielding percentage/errors are an extremely flawed way of measuring defense.

is it managers? or managers and coaches?

In the ESPN article, it says Managers and coaches... so, how many coaches, I wonder? Is it just the pitching coach, or would it include the hitting coach, first base coach, third base coach, roving baserunning instructor, etc?

I'm looking at some of the defensive numbers and I might have been wrong about David Wright, seems Ryan Zimmerman or Pedro Feliz were better options. And Aramis and him were neck and neck.

Trading Dempster sounds fine to me.

Or if Dempster is moved into the rotation, I would be fine also if that meant Marquis gets traded.

Otherwise, I'm not so hot on that idea. The rotation would then be Z, Lilly, Hill, Marquis, Dempster?

That's not as good as the 2007 rotation, is it?

I updated the post fwiw with some info on defensive ratings...

oh yeah, apparently that same radio report said Wood, Howry and Marmol would battle for the closer duties in spring training if Wood is re-signed.

"Trading Dempster sounds fine to me.

Or if Dempster is moved into the rotation, I would be fine also if that meant Marquis gets traded."

I agree. Having both Marquis and Dempster in the rotation is a recipe for disaster, IMO. I think next year Marquis will only get worse and Dempster will be right in line with his previous career starting numbers.

quotes from Beinfest, Dombrowski, Hendry about how Arod doesn't make sense financially.

one of the cub starters are get traded

probally marshall although there are a couple others
that would be better.

maybe we can attach marshall to either
dempster or marquis

if hendry wanted to trade dempster he could probably find 29 takers (unless he's injured).

guy makes 5.5m and is on the hook for 1 year...j.piniero started off the 08 FA season snagging a 2yr/13m deal.

The thing about fielding metrics for first basemen is that they don't include error prevention of the other infielders, where Lee reigns supreme. My recollection is that the Cubs had very few throwing errors. I don't know a site that shows that but I would be extremely suprised if they didn't have the fewest in the league.

Real Neal, you may be right on that and maybe that explains it. I was actually a bit surprised when I found out DLee won. Maybe I'm getting jaded from watching him play, but he seemed to be a step slow all season around the bag. There were many plays in which I thought to myself, "he would have made that play two years ago." Maybe he just raised the bar so high in '04 and '05 that even his '07 version couldn't measure up.

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  • stewart with 7Ks through 3ip...of course.

    that 10-13 mph difference in his fastball/change is working today...and they're swinging at his crappy slider.

    crunch 22 min 10 sec ago view
  • brock stewart...steven times for the cubs hitters vs allegedly competitive teams...maybe.

    crunch 1 hour 11 min ago view
  • Maddon would have started three lefties against the Dodgers, Montgomery, Zastryzny and Lester, except that he doesn't have the juice to do that. No manager does. Maddon has a boss, Epstein (and probably Hoyer, too), who gave him a starting rotation of five guys including Hammel. Maddon was asked yesterday about the starting group for next year and basically said, Not my call, that's why I drive away in my RV in the summer and occasionally check in, etc.

    VirginiaPhil 5 hours 41 min ago view
  • video of Maddon.

    always nice that he actually tries to honestly answer questions. Does mention that he wanted to give Zastr? a chance in a meaningful spot rather than a mop-up role.

    Rob G. 20 hours 52 min ago view
  • from Muskat:

    #Cubs Maddon: "I'm not going to make up an excuse for why I did what I did. It has nothing to do with lack of confidence" ... "It was the right thing to do today based on what I saw, what their lineup looked like and Rob Z.'s availability." #Cubs

    Rob G. 20 hours 57 min ago view

    Hammel not particularly understanding of getting pulled he should. Be curious what Maddon had to say. All I can think of is is keeping arms fresh and maybe wanting to see if Zastr? is worth considering for the playoffs and how he'd do against the Dodgers.

    Rob G. 21 hours 2 min ago view
  • great defense

    Heyward, Russell, Baez, Bryant, Ross in particular...although Bryant's a bit hard to judge with all the positions.

    Fowler and Rizzo in the top half of the NL for their positions as well (per fangraphs)...Zobrist right at the halfway cutoff for 2b in the NL.

    I'm sure some luck is involved too, but the Cubs and Maddon knew what they were doing.

    Rob G. 21 hours 14 min ago view
  • If all the starters have FIP > ERA, is that luck or good defense?

    Craig A. 21 hours 25 min ago view
  • #Cubs plummet to 19-5 in August.

    Fun with FIP

    • J. Hammel   3.07 ERA/4.27 FIP (3.68 FIP last year)
    • J. Arrieta     2.62 ERA/3.05 FIP (2.35 FIP last year)
    • J. Lester     2.81 ERA/3.67 FIP (2.92 FIP last year)
    • K. Hendricks  2.19 ERA/3.37 FIP (3.36 FIP last year)
    • J. Lackey     3.41 ERA/3.72 FIP (3.57 FIP last year with Cards)
    Rob G. 21 hours 50 min ago view
  • zastyryzryzryzny put in 3.2ip 1h 0bb 3k

    he's great when his control is "on"...problem is it's rarely "on" consistently. he could vault up the cubs prospect list if he ever gets better with that aspect of his game.

    crunch 22 hours 31 min ago view
  • JD's take was just trying to get in a lefty to better deal with mostly lefty Dodgers lineup.

    My second thought was what you came up with. My first thought was he was trying to light a fire under Hammel.

    Jackstraw 23 hours 43 min ago view
  • Maybe he was trying to spare him another brutal road start? NY, Colorado...

    billybucks 1 day 21 sec ago view
  • joe got a pitcher up for hammel at nearly the 1st sign of trouble in the 3rd...pulled after 2.1

    not injured and though it wasn't his day so far he wasn't looking like a pure disaster.

    really short leash on him. zastryznzryzryny in.

    crunch 1 day 4 min ago view
  • Russell and Soler can attest that Urias has a pretty good curve/slider - two big strikeouts looking to get out of that jam in the first.

    Eric S 1 day 49 min ago view
  • Classic Scully - great stuff.

    Thank God we'll still have Hawk next season. (cricket cricket cricket)

    Eric S 1 day 5 hours ago view
  • Here's Scully's call on Bryant's 10th-inning homer:

    "And it's a long fly ball, a mean fly ball, and a gone fly ball."

    VirginiaPhil 1 day 6 hours ago view