Two Winners And One Is A Cub

Jake Peavy wins an award that honors his pitching; Sam Fuld wins an award that honors his character.
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About the only trophies ever won by Cubs are for character, ain' they?

No, we've mixed in a few MVPs and Cy Youngs and Rookie of the Years too.

Seems like there are a couple of batting titles and Gold Gloves mixed in there, too, though no Cub has ever won the Lady Byng Trophy.

I can't believe Z got votes

I think some of the writers are voting soley to sabotage other teams by making CY Young voting escalater clauses kick in on their contracts. I can't see how Zambrano would be in the top 3 for any other reason.

So, K-Fuk won't decide until after Thanksgiving... The resodding of Wrigley field, and the specter of the real Paul McCartney are all I have left to entertain me for the next week...

http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/news/press_releas...

Mark Riggins named minor league pitching coordinator

Colvin hasn't seen much playing time with Team USA due to a sore arm.

Rangers interested in Fukudome...

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20071...

Barry Bonds just got a lot cheaper.

... and your starting left fielder for Cell Block H....

Yeah, just heard it on NPR (WBEZ) -- Indicted for perjury.

... and obstruction of justice.

Like they told Nixon (& Scooter Libby) -- They don't get you for the crime -- they get you for the cover-up.

Can I change my Bonds FA signing-

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/basebal...

Sigh... poor Bonds. I do feel for him.

Who has a better chance of Walking?

A) OJ
B) Barry Bonds

Jeter's being brought up on tax evasion charges by the state of NY. It seems they just want their money but he's been claiming Florida as his home state.

Having visions of Bonds in 3 years talking to his independent minor league teammate...

"What the hell league you been playin' in?"
"California Penal."

RE #17: And if Bonds walks, will his fans wave rubber chickens?

"Carlos Rubi — November 15, 2007 @ 4:47 pm

Sigh… poor Bonds. I do feel for him."

I feel real bad for multimillion dollar cheating professional athletes who LIE to a grand jury. So sorry for that guy.

He brought this on himself.

I feel real bad for multimillion dollar cheating professional athletes who LIE to a grand jury. So sorry for that guy.

We don't know that he lied to a grand jury. We only know that he has been indicted for doing so.

Two different things...

We don’t know that he lied to a grand jury. We only know that he has been indicted for doing so.

I beg to differ. We do know that he lied. The courts haven't decided that yet, but the Court of Law and the Court of Public Opinion (or Common Sense) are two different things, as proven by O.J. & friends.

And you know this how?

I didn't know that you:
1 - Were present during the grand jury hearings
2 - Know the truth about what Bonds supposedly lied about

Don't get me wrong- Bonds may be guilty. But we most definitely do not know that yet.

Another report that Yanks made Lowell an offer. Don't they know they'll just go after fat Miggy if they lose Lowell?

So ARod at 3b, Lowell at 1b?

Ok dave, then let me re-phrase:

I feel real bad for multimillion dollar cheating professional athletes who (allegedly) LIE to a grand jury. So sorry for that guy.

And I'm sure he did. Otherwise they wouldn't indict you. Perjury is one of those ones where, if you did it, it's pretty easy to prove.

"Colvin hasn’t seen much playing time with Team USA due to a sore arm."

That sucks!

This has been plaguing him for a while.

What's up with that?! He's supposed to be our next up and coming RF.

dave:
So ARod at 3b, Lowell at 1b?

Sure, and we can get rid of Jacque Jones and not have any lefties.

Oh, wait, we already got rid of Jacque Jones. Fantastic.

if I recall this correctly, perjury is pretty difficult to prove and to actually indict him they must have some pretty solid evidence.

and damn, Bonds already in the Wikipedia entry for perjury

The E-Man — November 15, 2007 @ 6:00 pm
“Colvin hasn’t seen much playing time with Team USA due to a sore arm.”

That sucks!

This has been plaguing him for a while.

What’s up with that?! He’s supposed to be our next up and coming RF.

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E-MAN: Colvin played 1B in HS and was moved to LF at Clemson to take advantage of his speed and athleticism.

The Cubs played him in LF after they drafted him, but tried him in CF in the AZ Instructional League a year ago and he played CF OK (Felix Pie and Sam Fuld are much better, though), displaying a passable-adequate arm for the position.

But then the Cubs decided that Colvin's future would be a lot brighter if he could play RF, so he was moved to RF at Daytona this season and was put on an arm strengthening program that indeed strengthened his arm to where it was eventually rated "average" for a RF and actually "above-average" for a CF, but in the process he developed some kind of shoulder tendinitis that won't quit.

From what I have heard, the Cubs would LOVE to move Colvin back to LF (or even eventually back to 1B), but with Soriano in LF probably through 2014 and D-Lee at 1B at least through 2010, CF and RF are all that's open for Colvin right now (presuming he remains with the Cubs).

So we can't post links anymore?

this is old...but relevant...
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/...

if they got the indictment, they obviously have some sort of proof that he knowingly took steroids.

They probably flipped Greg Anderson.

fixed Ryno, you were caught by the spamblocker for some reason

"if I recall this correctly, perjury is pretty difficult to prove and to actually indict him they must have some pretty solid evidence."

You are right. and i really misspoke. Perjury is hard to prove so you are right, Bonds wouldn't have been indicted without really solid proof.

And with Federal Indictments, I think they usually win.

Being charged by the Feds is pretty hardcore. Generally, if you're in Federal court, it's a pretty significant matter. They don't waste their resources on petty stuff or go about it in a half-assed manner. Lawyers in federal practice are usually in the higher level of the profession. Hence the saying, "you don't have to make a federal case out of it."

5 counts on 2 charges...good f'n luck.

was hoping bonds would get to pad his stats some more. rub all this mess in the face of 2-3 decades of ignoring the obvious.

after years of this crap it takes a homerun chase and a bottle of "stuff" in McGwire's locker in 98 to start to get serious...and even then it took about another 5-7 years to actually do something semi-serious.

this could have been prevented or lessened a long long time ago.

I feel bad for Bonds because the federal government believes that where he buys things he puts in his body is their business.

I also feel bad for Jake Peavy, who had a day where the baseball world should have been focused on him diverted to something else due to the above meddling.

A truism: Perjury is like any other crime; it's easy to prove if you have enough credible witnesses and other evidence to demonstrate the defendant committed the elements of the crime by proof beyond a reasonable doubt.

None of us - I assume - have personal knowledge of the facts, except maybe the dramatic changes we all have observed in Bonds' body. Circumstantial evidence, to be sure. Ain't a thing wrong with circumstantial evidence.

Is Bonds guilty as charged? Maybe. If someone wants to say probably, or definitely or absolutely, that's fine, too. This blog is opinion driven, and if you don't like to consider opinions, don't read it.

My life or the life of my friends and family is unlikely to change no matter what happens to Bonds. And the Cubs aren't likely to be affected either, at least directly. So, if y'all want to debate this, enjoy yourselves.

could be up to 30 years in prison for Bonds if convicted off all counts...

BALCO apparently did their own tests and have positive samples of Bonds.

(via rotoworld)

10/275 for Arod

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3...

incentives as he climbs up the home run ladder...

"I feel bad for Bonds because the federal government believes that where he buys things he puts in his body is their business."

He is not being charged with any of that. The Federal Government does care deeply about the integrity of the Judicial system and when you lie to them, they get pissed. I could be wrong about this, but the government never was after Bonds for what he put in his body but rather what he purchased and from whom.

Now you can go all Libertarian on us but the fact is that those laws were in place and they were broken.

Chad's right about that one, if you read the indictment, Bonds received immunity for his testimony EXCEPT for perjury, false declaration or otherwise failing to comply with the Court's orders.

if I read the indictment correctly the four counts of perjury are for:

1) saying he did not know he took steroids
2) saying Greg Anderson never gave him anything to inject in himself
3) saying Anderson never gave him HGH
4) saying he only received vitamins from Anderson and didn't take anything before the start of the 2003 season

from what I could interpret...

... I could be wrong about this, but the government never was after Bonds for what he put in his body but rather what he purchased and from whom.

Yes. I was fully aware of that.

This'll end my thoughts on this noxious incident. The time when 7,000 people can, to the federal government's delight, have four beers in three hours will never come soon enough. Go Cubs!

bet giambi is all "phew" right now for spilling at the hearings.

giambi paid a heavy price for it, though...wait, no he didnt.

go baseball go.

seriously, WHAT incentive to quit chem-bulking? even the thing giambi "allegedly" admitted to (guess i should put " " around admitted, also) still isnt being monitored.

The time when 7,000 people can, to the federal government’s delight, have four beers in three hours will never come soon enough.

What the hell does that mean? Did I break some federal laws on Sunday night?

Bonds gets one-year offer from Bengals.

Ron I have no idea what you meant by you last post.

The Raiders would be more fitting, Barry doesn't want to leave the Bay Area.

Anyhow, I saw a nice documentary about the San Quentin prison baseball team. They have nice uniforms, they even match Barry's old colors for the Giants. He won't even have to buy new socks! I guess they may get themselves a new cleanup hitter. Funny thing is, he'd probably be the biggest asshole on the team.

Then the mean warden of San Quentin will make the inmate team play against the guard team and Barry will have to learn to be a real leader.

gotta love these 2 headlines almost right next to each other on MLB.com..

"Selig says MLB is healthier than ever"

"Bonds charged with perjury, obstruction"

To me, the most relevant part of the Bonds indictment is that the government has evidence of several positive steroid tests on Bonds. That's not exactly a shock to most of us, but it is the first actual report of a positive test. And it takes away the last remaining argument of the Bonds apologists who constantly exclaimed "he passed every test he ever took!!!"

But, as several have stated the specific issue isn't that he took steroids, but that he lied about it. When the federal government decides it cares about something and conducts an investigation, and then knocks on your door and asks you questions, you tell the truth or you are f*cked. It's just the way it works. And it's not terribly good strategy to then taunt the investigators in the press afterwards like Bonds' lawyers did.

Bonds made a series of bad choices: he chose to take steroids, and then he chose to lie about it to the feds. He deserves everything he gets.

And this isn't a sad day for baseball; this is a great day for baseball. The sport is rid of a notorious cheater, and all those who were disillusioned by his continued participation in the sport can now feel validated.

BFF?

Anderson released from jail-

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21825158/

One more potentially huge thing following the indictment's claims that evidence of positive steroid tests on Bonds was uncovered.

Who conducted these tests? I'm not saying it was MLB....but who else would have tested him?

It will be interesting to learn whether MLB at least knew about the tests, and what they did with that info. And if they were MLB's own tests that he failed, and nothing was done about it, this will get real ugly.

MLB.com's Adam McCalvy says the Brewers are interested in Jason Kendall. Kendall is somehow seeking a two-year deal. The Rockies are in on him as well. The Brewers still have Johnny Estrada, but they're not happy with him. He could be traded or non-tendered.
WGN Radio's Dave Kaplan reported that the Cubs could complete a contract with second baseman Kaz Matsui this week. It'd be a multiyear deal; not sure if the Cubs would have to go three years on it. This would be an indefensible signing.

According to MLBTR, Kaplan says a multi year deal for Kaz should be done by the end of the week. As for Anderson I think the Feds are releasing him now because they dont need him more than him squelling on Bonds.

The steroids is one thing.

O.K. - admit it, take the heat, and move on.

But lying to the Grand Jury is equal opportunity.

Martha Stewart, Scooter Libby, and now, Barry Bonds.

Each perceived they were above the law, or would "get away with it".

I would expect if BB is convicted on 2 or more counts to do a year at least. No more baseball for him. He's through, regardless.

"This would be an indefensible signing."

I disagree. It is mildly defensible.

Before you judge, if indeed they do it, wait until the regular season starts to see what other things transpire. Patience, young Jedi.

from the indictment...

...in that, among other things, he(Anderson): obtained illegal drugs for later distribution to his clients
(including professional athletes); submitted biological specimens from his clients to Balco for
testing (including sending the specimens off to outside laboratories for analysis); and obtained
the laboratory analysis results of those specimens from Balco.

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Ryno — November 15, 2007 @ 6:22 pm

dave:
So ARod at 3b, Lowell at 1b?

Ummm... I was talking about the Yankees.

I agree with dave, there’s no way to know that Barry really used roids. lol

Ummm... i didn't say anything about steroids.

I disagree. It is mildly defensible.

Have you seen Matsui's numbers away from Colorado?

I don't see how looking at Matsui's numbers in one state or another has any impact on them.

You're right Neal, you will see that he hits way worse on the road, whether you're reading those stats in California, Illinois or Florida.

I've changed my mind.

Signing Matsui, if its Kaz Matsui, is indefensible.

WTF?

Maybe its just bs.

I've actually met Barry Bonds and he is as arrogant and self-centered as everyone else says. That he chose to act 'above the law' is no mystery to me or anyone else who has met him.

I don't see this as sad day for baseball, or Bonds. He brought this all on himself and no matter what the outcome, Bonds and his 'record' will always be tainted and minimized by the steriod issue. What's really sad is baseball and its fans have no idea how many other players' accomplishments are also the results of steriods.

What about Raffy? Is it OK to blatantly lie to Congress (or was it the Senate)? And -- Great double-standard on Giambi -- is there an asterisk next to his MVP award? Or his career stats?

Kaz at 2B? Not sure what this would do -- the team has speed (Theriot, Fonzie, potentially Pie) and has an adequate and versatile 2B signed up for 2 more years. Unless Jimbo is packaging DeRosa for a RF? Never put much stock in th concept, but he seems like a good "clubhouse guy."

With the current state of the Bears and the Bulls and the stock market, I am very thankful for TCR and the baseball off-season. I know it's a week early to be giving thanks, but wanted to get mine in.

Barry very well may be a real asshat. But doesnt the gov't have more pressing needs than going after Barry and worrying about baseball? Didnt Scooter Libby get a presidential pardon for committing the same offense that Barry is being accused of? I am actually rooting for Barry on this front. What an complete pile of horseshit this whole thing has become.

How the hell is Victor Conte getting a slap on the wrist for SELLING the roids, yet Barry is looking at 30 years for allegedly Taking them?

How the hell is Gary Sheffield getting no mention when he basically said the exact same thing that Barry did?

From what I have heard, the Cubs would LOVE to move Colvin back to LF (or even eventually back to 1B), but with Soriano in LF probably through 2014 and D-Lee at 1B at least through 2010, CF and RF are all that’s open for Colvin right now (presuming he remains with the Cubs).
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Is there any evidence that Colvin's bat would carry at 1st?

Pretty sure Sheffield hasn't been accused of lying to a grand jury.

Dr. aaronb — November 16, 2007 @ 10:13 am
From what I have heard, the Cubs would LOVE to move Colvin back to LF (or even eventually back to 1B), but with Soriano in LF probably through 2014 and D-Lee at 1B at least through 2010, CF and RF are all that’s open for Colvin right now (presuming he remains with the Cubs).
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Is there any evidence that Colvin’s bat would carry at 1st?

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DR AARON B: Colvin projects as a 25+ HR man. Besides his seemingly chronic sore shoulder that might preclude him from playing RF (or maybe even CF), his main problem right now is that he is a hyper-aggressive EXTREME first-ball fastball hitter who has zero patience at the plate.

The other problem with eventually moving Colvin to 1B is that 1B could well be the future destination for Josh Donaldson, who I consider to be the Cubs #1 prospect right now. Donaldson has a LONG way to go to make himself an adequate defensive catcher (he was a third-baseman until his sophomore year at Auburn), but he would probably be a perfect fit at 1B. Donaldson has tremendous power AND (unlike Colvin) Donaldson will take a walk. He reminds me of a young Paul Konerko.

Tito — November 16, 2007 @ 10:26 am
Pretty sure Sheffield hasn’t been accused of lying to a grand jury.
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Sheffield said that he "didnt knowing take steriods". That he spent 100K on Flaxseed oil and vitamins from Balco. Exactly what Bonds is trying to say.

Yes or no, has Sheffield been accused of lying to a grand jury?

That is sort of what I thougth with Colvin. It would be like putting Pie's bat at 1st.

Sheffield isnt the target that Barry Bonds is. If Sheffield was a bigger name, then he would be accused of it.

Uh, OK. The issue here is that you asked why Sheffield isn't being talked about the way Bonds is. It's because Sheffield hasn't been indicted for lying to a grand jury.

Tito — November 16, 2007 @ 10:43 am
Uh, OK. The issue here is that you asked why Sheffield isn’t being talked about the way Bonds is. It’s because Sheffield hasn’t been indicted for lying to a grand jury.
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I was asking why Sheffield has not been indicted. If he was a bigger name then he would have to. I am alluding to the fact that this is a bogus witch hunt. I am not a Bonds fan in the least. However I am rooting for him here. Greg Anderson has gotten the worst of it.

"How the hell is Gary Sheffield getting no mention when he basically said the exact same thing that Barry did?"

If you say so, Doc.

What about Raffy? Is it OK to blatantly lie to Congress (or was it the Senate)? And — Great double-standard on Giambi — is there an asterisk next to his MVP award? Or his career stats?

Raffy said to Congress he never took steroids. They would have to prove that he took steroids before he said that. The positive test came after.

Giambi didn't perjure himself.

As for the Sheff/Bonds issue, I don't know what Sheff said to the grand jury. Was that info leaked as well as Bonds? I don't recall....

It was leaked. Sheffield said that he paid Balco 100 K for what he thought was Vitamins and Flaxseed oil.Essentially the same thing Bonds said. He said he did not "knowingly" take steriods. He was on Real sports with Bryant Gumbel and restated all of this in August.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/...

good call aaronb, I don't know why they aren't indicting Sheff. My guess, other than Barry is the big fish to fry...

some evidence or witness has come forward recently that will be able to prove Bonds is lying (and it's not Anderson). It sounds like they uncovered some drug tests on Barry in the early 2000's and I assume there's more than that.

The article I linked to says Sheff wasn't involved until about mid-2002 and the indictment I believe alludes to the drug tests they have on Barry being a few years older. So it's possible they don't have any drug tests on Sheff and they may not have any witnesses to testify against Sheff.

That or they're just going after Bonds...

There is no way they'd go after just one guy who lied to a grand jury, just because he's Barry Bonds and the other is not. Sheffield is a big enough name in MLB, it's not like it was Sam Fuld or someone...

Sam Fuld is the 2007 Stenson award winner and AFL league MVP. Its not like he is some scrub 4th OFer or something.

I'm just glad he didn't get indicted before that catch he made.

while I mostly agree with you Tito, I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility that the feds looked a little harder for evidence on Bonds than they did for Sheff.

also,
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3...

from what I could gather, it'll be some positive tests they uncovered for Bonds and some new witnesses that will make the case.

"He graduated from Arizona State in 1986 with a degree in criminology."

--- from Wikipedia entry for Barry Bonds

How ironic!

But everyone is against Gary Sheffield. The man is always keeping him down and so forth....how come not this time?

So, maybe Sheffield and Bonds are guilty of rougly the same thing. Maybe. In any case it's fascinating how some people take this and conclude "therefore we should give Bonds a break!" I don't get that.

If they are guilty of the same thing it means they should go after Sheffield, too; I don't see how it should help Bonds' cause. Maybe THIS is the last remaining cry of the Bonds apologists.

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