They're Fitchin' to Get Started
With Cubs pitchers & catchers scheduled to report to Fitch Park in Mesa this week, and with position players scheduled to report next week, let's take a quick look at the Cubs 2008 Spring Training roster:
2008 CUBS SPRING TRAINING ROSTER
59 players will be in camp
39 on MLB reserve list (40-MAN ROSTER)
20 Non-Roster Invitees (NRI)
(40-MAN ROSTER/NRI in parenthesis):
31 Pitchers (23/8)
6 Catchers (2/4)
12 Infielders (7/5)
10 Outfielders (7/3)
* bats or throws left
# bats both
PITCHERS ON 40-MAN ROSTER (23):
* Neal Cotts
* Scott Eyre
* Rich Hill
* Ted Lilly
* Sean Marshall
* Carmen Pignatiello
PROJECTED 2008 PAYROLL (as of 2-10-2008)
NOTE: $$$/$$$ = Major league salary/"minor league split" salary
SIGNED FOR 2008:
Henry Blanco - $2.8M
Neal Cotts - $800K + $75K in performance bonuses
Ryan Dempster - $5.5M + $800K in performance bonuses
Mark DeRosa - $3.75M
Scott Eyre - $3.8M + $300K in performance bonuses
Kosuke Fukudome – $12M
Bob Howry - $4M
Derrek Lee - $13M
Jon Lieber - $3.5M
Ted Lilly - $7M
Jason Marquis - $6.375M
Aramis Ramirez - $14M
Jeff Samardzija - $850K/$600K
Alfonso Soriano - $13M
Daryle Ward – $1.2M
Kerry Wood - $4.2M + $3.45M in performance bonuses
Michael Wuertz - $860K
Carlos Zambrano - $15M
TOTAL - $111.5M (plus $5.13M in potential performance bonuses)
Jacque Jones (traded to DET) - Cubs agreed to pay the $1M remaining from Jones' deferred signing bonus (due no later than January 2008), plus $2M of Jones' 2008 salary.
AUTO-RENEWAL (PRE-ARBITRATION) FOR 2008
NOTE: Minor League "split" salary must be at least 60% of player's actual paid salary from previous season
All of these salaries are "guesstimates"
$$$/$$$ = Likely 2008 MLB salary/Likely 2008 “minor league split” salary
Jose Ascanio – $392.5K/$62.5K
Ronny Cedeno – $410K/$165K (out of minor league options)
Mike Fontenot – $405K/$150K
Jake Fox – $392.5K/$62.5K
Sam Fuld – $392.5K/$62.5K
Sean Gallagher – $392.5K/$62.5K
Angel Guzman – $395K/$220K
Adam Harben – $390K/$62.5K
Kevin Hart – $392.5K/$62.5K
Rich Hill – $430K/$220K
Tim Lahey – $390K/$31,125
Carlos Marmol – $420K/$180K
Sean Marshall – $415K/$215K
Juan Mateo – $392.5K/$120K
Matt Murton – $425K/$225K
Eric Patterson – $390K/$62.5K
Billy Petrick – $392.5K/$62.5K
Felix Pie – $400K/$150K
Carmen Pignatiello – 392.5/$62.5K
Geovany Soto – $395K/$62.5K (out of minor league options)
Ryan Theriot – $420K/$235K
ELIGIBLE TO BE FREE-AGENT AFTER 2008:
Henry Blanco (vesting option or else club option with buy-out for 2009)
Scott Eyre (has limited “no trade” through 2008)
Jon Lieber (has automatic Type XX FA “no trade” rights through 6-15-2008)
Kerry Wood (has automatic Type XX FA “no trade” rights through 6-15-2008, but he will also get automatic 10/5 “no trade” rights beginning on the third day of the 2008 season)
SIGNED BEYOND 2008:
Mark DeRosa ($5.5M in 2009, then FA)
Jason Marquis ($9.875M in 2009, then FA)
Derrek Lee ($13M in 2009 and 2010, then FA – has full “no trade” through 2010)
Ted Lilly ($12M in 2009 and 2010, then FA)
Kosuke Fukudome ($12M in 2009, 2010, and 2011, then FA).
Jeff Samardzija (thru 2011 + mutual options for 2012 & 2013 – has full “no trade” through 2011)
2012: $3M (mutual option - player can opt out only if he is eligible for salary arbitration)
2013: $3.5M (mutual option - player can opt out only if he is eligible for salary-arbitration)
Aramis Ramirez ($15.65M in 2009 and $15.75M in 2010, $14.6M 2011 player option, and $16M 2012 mutual option with $2M buy-out – has full “no trade” in contract through 2010, but he will also get automatic 10/5 “no trade” rights beginning in June 2009)
Carlos Zambrano ($17.75M in 2009, $17.875 in 2010 and 2011, and $18M in 2012, plus $19.25M 2013 vesting-player option – has full “no trade” in contract through 2011, but he also will get automatic 10/5 “no trade” rights beginning in August 2010).
Alfonso Soriano ($13M in 2008, $16M in 2009, and $18M 2010 through 2014, then FA – has full “no trade” through 2014)
PROJECTED ELIGIBLE FOR SALARY-ARBITRATION POST-2008:
Rich Hill (projected 2+149 MLB ST post-2008 – almost certainly will qualify for salary arbitration as a “Super Two”)
Sean Marshall (projected 2+132 MLB ST post-2008 – could qualify for salary arbitration as a “Super Two” - see COMMENT below)
NOTE: Post-2008 salary arbitration projections are based on each player spending entire 2008 season in MLB.
COMMENT: If Sean Marshall were to spend at least 20 days on Optional Assignment to the minors in 2008, he almost certainly would NOT be eligible for salary arbitration as a “Super Two” post-2008. (The threshold for “Super Two” status has never been less than 2+125 MLB ST).
However, if Marshall spends 19 days or less on Optional Assignment in 2008, or if he spends at least 20 days on optional assignment but not more than ten days in succession, he will accrue a full season of MLB Service Time, and thus he could very possibly qualify for salary arbitration as a “Super Two” post-2008.
So to avoid the possibility of Marshall qualifying as a “Super Two” post-2008, the Cubs would be smart to option Marshall to the minors for at least 20 days in succession, probably right at the start of the season coming out of Spring Training.
MINOR LEAGUE OPTION STATUS (SPRING TRAINING 2008):
* Certain players must first clear Optional Assignment Waivers (see COMMENT below)
Tim Lahey (see NOTE-1)
NOTE-1: Tim Lahey can be sent to the minors by the Cubs only after clearing Rule 6 return waivers (which are irrevocable), and then Lahey’s original organization (MIN) also must decline to reclaim player (MLB Rule 6 outlines the method for removing a player selected in Rule 5 Draft from club’s 40-man roster). Look for Lahey to eventually be the PTBNL in the Craig Monroe deal (with the Twins satisfying their PTBNL obligations by declining to reclaim Lahey after he clears Rule 6 return waivers).
NO MINOR LEAGUE OPTIONS LEFT:
ONE MINOR LEAGUE OPTION LEFT:
* Neal Cotts (see COMMENT below)
* Angel Guzman (see NOTE-2 and COMMENT below)
* Michael Wuertz (see COMMENT below)
NOTE-2: Angel Guzman has used three minor league options, but because he has not completed five “full seasons” on an active minor league or major league roster through the 2007 season, he gets a 4th minor league option, as long as it is used prior to completing five full seasons. (Guzman will likely spend most or all of the 2008 season on the DL rehabbing from TJ surgery, so he will almost certainly have the 4th minor league option available again in 2009).
TWO MINOR LEAGUE OPTIONS LEFT:
Jose Ascanio (see NOTE-3)
NOTE-3: Jose Ascanio has used two minor league options, but because he has spent only three “full seasons” on an active minor league or major league roster, he will be eligible for a 4th minor league option, as long as it is used prior to completing five full seasons.
THREE MINOR LEAGUE OPTIONS LEFT:
Billy Petrick (see NOTE-3)
Jeff Samardzija (see NOTE-4)
NOTE-3: Billy Petrick has used one minor league option, but because he has spent only two “full seasons” on an active minor league or major league roster, he will be eligible for a 4th minor league option as long as it is used prior to completing five full seasons.
NOTE-4: Jeff Samardzija has used one minor league option, but because he has spent only one “full season” on an active minor league or major league roster, he will be eligible for a 4th minor league option as long as it is used prior to completing five full seasons.
COMMENT: Players with at least three years of MLB service time or players who have been previously outrighted in their career can refuse an Outright Assignment to the minors, and players with at least five years of MLB service time can refuse an Optional Assignment to the minors.
There are also certain players with less than five years of MLB service time who must first clear MLB Optional Assignment Waivers before they can be optioned to the minors. Players reach this point when they hit the third anniversary of being added to a regular season 25-man roster, or the two-year anniversary if the player spent one full season on optional assignment to the minors prior to being added to a 25-man regular season roster for the first time, or the one-year anniversary if the player spent two full seasons on optional assignment to the minors prior to being added to a 25-man regular season roster for the first time.
Optional Assignment Waivers are revocable the first time they are requested in a given waiver period, and irrevocable the second time they are requested in the same waiver period. The waivers can be requested at any time, and the club does not necessarily have to option the player to the minors once the player clears waivers, because once a player clears Optional Assignment Waivers, the waivers are good for the entire waiver period. Because these waivers are revocable, getting a player through Optional Assignment Waivers is usually just a formality, but another GM could make a nuisance claim if he were so inclined.
So a smart GM should place those players who require Optional Assignment Waivers before they can be optioned to the minors on waivers right at the beginning of each waiver period to avoid getting in a bind later in that waiver period, when the player’s spot on the 25-man roster might suddenly be needed (and that would probably the one time when a rival GM might consider putting in a “blocking” claim that wouldn’t be based on pure nuisance).
As of Spring Training 2008, Neal Cotts, Angel Guzman, and Michael Wuertz are the only three players on the Cubs 40-man roster with less than five years of MLB service time who must first clear Optional Assignment Waivers before they can be optioned to the minors. However, Mike Fontenot will require Optional Assignment Waivers as of April 11 (and since that is during the waiver period that runs from February 16th through the 30th day of the regular season, Fontenot should be placed on Optional Assignment Waivers right along with Cotts, Guzman, and Wuertz on February 16), and then Rich Hill (June 15th) and Matt Murton (July 7th) will reach the point where they will require Optional Assignment Waivers during the waiver period that runs from the 31st day of the regular season through July 31st.
I am right there with you closing in on 60.
I don't care that much about "mortgaging" one player who is not only blocked by two guys, but is not ready to hit the majors for at least a couple years.
There is no reason why this team, this year, can't have a real shot at something NONE of us have experienced.
Further, I don't feel that even if they fall short that they have ruined their farm system.
I have made my opinion clear here, with others, Warren was shit on the Cubs save one spot start.
Trading for Warren, Warren sucking, getting Warren back for Chapman plus 3 prospects, sounds like Revenge of The Yankees on the former Boston executive. Old rivalries never die.
I pray to the heavens above Chapman doesn't suck for some reason, or he'll be booed out of town faster than a Todd Hundley revival meeting.
I'm kind of nostalgic for the Schwarber-for-Miller rumors.
This offseason, after some ridiculous playoff run and Chapman saving every game from here until the end of the postseason striking out 27/9innings, I welcome anyone to quote this thread and call me a dummy: I hate this trade, and my hate is 2 parts Chapman makes this team less likeable and 1 part that's a ridiculous overpay for 30 regular season innings and, at tops, 10 postseason innings. Already hoping they don't extend him.
btw...Thanks AZ Phil. I'm really enjoying your take on this trade.
I'm a bit disappointed on the Warren experience. Essentially they gave Castro away for crickets (OK, well they signed Zobrist with the Castro salary dump). Otherwise one might look at it as Chapman for Castro and our #1 minors prospect (Torres) + McKinney/Crawford. Seems pricey for a 2 month rental. We will see if this price tag is that steep in a relative way based on the remaining deadline deals for relievers.
Yep. One of the great things about this team (in addition to being really good at baseball) was the "likable" factor. Feels a bit different now. Who knows...maybe Chapman will be the king of the dance parties.
Here are some possible corresponding minor league moves we might see in the aftermath of the Chapman trade:
SOUTH BEND to MYRTLE BEACH: OF Donnie Dewees and INF Bryant Flete
EUGENE to SOUTH BEND: OF Robert Garcia and INF Vimael Machin
There is really no reason to replace Billy McKinney at Tennessee because both Chris Coghlan and Jorge Soler are doing their rehab at Tennessee.
And there are plenty of pitchers at Iowa. No need to replace Warren at AAA. .
I am 70 years old. The Cubs last played in the World Series in 1945. I was born in 1946. I hate to lose a prospect like Torres, but when the opportunity is there to get that World Series ring, you go for it. This was the idea in stock piling all this young talent. I would like to see Reddick added now and the Cubbies should be done.
I would expect Richard to accept an optional assignment because based on how he's played this season, there is a decent chance that he won't find work elsewhere. Rather stay and potentially get a ring. Same goes for Coghlan since he's struggled mightily this year.
Edwards should not go down. He's pitched very well and Maddon is very impressed with him. I would expect Grimm to go down for Cahill so he can get back on track (he's pitched better in July, but he's not getting enough appearances).
chitownmvp01: Indeed Clayton Richard would seem to be odd man out once Chapman reports, but Richard might accept a minor league assignment if he is promised a return to Chicago on 9/1 when MLB Active List rosters expand (Richard has minor league ioptions left).
The only player in the deal that would cause me a second thought is Gleyber Torres.
McKinney and Crawford are decent prospects but both are redundant/replaceable in the system and Warren was really only a middle-reliever or #6 starter, so to me it's really just Torres for Chapman.
There is no Comp pick for players traded mid-season. 2+ months of Chapman is it.
to get one of the best you have to give up one/some of your best...but it's a bit painful to watch the system's best prospect walk for any 2-3 month rental, especially one that's not an everyday player.
I assume Chapman will replace Richard on the roster, but who goes down when Cahill gets activated? Maybe Grimm?
And when Soler and Coghlan get healthy, how do they fit them on the roster when they're ready to be activated?
We are giving up a lot, but it's not like we're trading Addison Russell for 2+ months of Jason Hammel. When impact players become available, they are going to cost you. The other bids could also have been high.
Having Chapman as a rental is potentially less disruptive than having him come in with an extension in place.