2007 Batting Order Results
Or, how Baseball-Reference will be the death of me
The latest ridiculously interesting tool released by baseball-reference.com is its Batting Order Position Outcomes page. Plug in a team, a year, and a position in the batting order, and it will break down that position's results by the player batting in that slot.
For instance, did you know that on the 2007 Cubs team, Cesar Izturis logged the most games (41) and plate appearances (154) in the 8th spot in the order? He put up a .254/.314/.300/.614 line while hitting 8th, and the Cubs went 18-23 in games where he batted 8th. With Koyie Hill hitting 8th, the Cubs went an impressive 14-7. No thanks to Hill, necessarily, who hit .141/. 203/.211/.414 in those games. In stark contrast to Hill, Ronny Cedeno hit .368/.369/.737/1.052 in nine games there, and the Cubs went 2-7.
Other interesting but perhaps entirely meaningless discoveries include...
In April, when the Cubs went 10-14, our number 2 hitters put up a line of .279/.330/.356/.686.
- In July, when the Cubs went 17-9, our number 2 hitters put up a line of .340/.423/.423/.846
Fifteen different Cubs batted 2nd last year. In order of at bats, they were:
Theriot had the most Plate Appearances hitting 2nd in April, May, July and September. In June, it was Pie followed by Fontenot, and in August it was Jones holding the top spot.
- June was the month of Godenot, when he hit .436/.463/.692/.1156 from the 2 hole, and the Cubs went 7-2 in those games
While Jones put up a very clutch .357/.379/.589/.969 line hitting second in September, the Cubs went just 6-7 in those games.
- The only hitter who saw the Cubs win more than they lost with him hitting second in September was Mark DeRosa. The Cubs went 2-1 with him hitting 2nd in September, and he hit .583/.615/.667/1.282 in those three games.
Another interesting position is 5th. Cliff Floyd and Derosa saw 161 and 156 PAs, respectively, with Murton and Barrett seeing an additional 80 and 76.
By Month, Barrett was the primary 5 hitter in April and May, then Derosa in June and July, Floyd in August and Matt Murton in September.
- Barrett had a terrific April hitting 5th, with a line of .368/.419/.711/.1.129 in those games, and the Cubs going 6-4. (He followed it up with a .340 OPS in May)
- Murton went.394/.444/.636/1.081 in September, and the Cubs again went 6-4 in those games.
In the second half of the season, our number five hitters tore it up against teams below the .500 mark, hitting them at a .276/.338/.503/.840 clip, while the team went 31-20.
- But against teams with records of .500 or better, the five-hole hitters saw a big drop in slugging, going .267/.347/.344/.691, and the team went 10-14.
By month, our most productive lineup spot went:
April: 3rd spot, .394/.464/.545/1.010
May: 6th spot, .311/.385/.495/.880
June: 1st spot, .333/.376/.691/1.067
July: 4th spot, .374/.393/.542/.935
August: 7th spot, .358/.414/.472/.885
September: 3rd spot, .357/.426/.678/1.105
- with honorable mentions to the 1st spot at .300/.338/.708/1.046, and the 4, 5, and 6 spots all putting up OPS's in the mid-.900s in September.
I think (but am not certain) that eventually, the Batting Order Position Outcomes stuff will migrate to the new premium section of b-r, which requires a subscription fee. Tool around there and tell me what other weird things you can find!
bless your heart. *pinches cheeks*
real shame I missed this week's episode of The Crunch Reporter.
It's highly unusual.
It does matter a little.
It matters much less than you think.
four winds field is awesome. it's crazy how minor league parks have "grown up" since the 80s/90s and that park was one of the late-80s models that showed a low-capacity ballpark could look like you're at something other than a highschool baseball game.
On another topic....I returned to South Bend last night for the 2nd time this season (still haven't tried either the deep-fried mac & cheese sandwich nor "The Porknado", as the drive home is over an hour and that could get ugly), and was pleasantly surprised to find D. Underwood pitching in a rehab start. He looked good -- although, to be fair, these are low-A hitters -- fastball consistently at 94-95 (if the SB scoreboard is to be believed -- several pitches were clocked in the 30s...) and with good location.
he gains nothing, no advantage, no saving of resources, nothing...there is not a cost/benefit tradeoff...him letting the running game go on around him for others to control isn't gaining him an advantage elsewhere. it's putting him at a disadvantage even if it's not cashed in with a run.
And out of respect for the rest of TCR, I'm done on this. I'm sure I'm not the only one in the other camp, but time to let it go. (Until the next Lester start. I kid.)
He is putting himself at a disadvanage. But how much of one relative to the rest of his game? He's not Justin Germano -- he's inarguably one of the best SPs in baseball, issue or not. It would be more of thing to discuss ad nauseum if it constantly caused him to give up runs and lose games. But it doesn't.
shouting down my points about lester with "well, it didn't hurt" is like saying it doesn't matter if a guy starts out walking 3 guys every inning as long it's followed by a K and a double play.
it's like elevating ERA and wins to a high level while ignoring what it took to get there.
I'm asking how much it has hurt Lester and the Cubs this year. Do you have that answer?
I legitimately don't recall you answering that quesion, apart from the condescending silliness you just posted. So if you did answer specifically about the impact of Lester's issue, I'd like to re-read it. Thanks.
if runner = on base and pitcher = j.lester then lead = large
if lead = large then probability of extra base on following hit > average of mean
okay, enough of that silliness...
...you can read more on the thread i copy/pasted this from the last time you decided you needed to talk to me about me.
Thank you for your answer.
bless your heart.
I don't recall you answering my question about quantifying how it has hurt Lester and the Cubs this season, apart from one guy scoring on a sac fly. Can you direct me to your answer? Thanks.
Lester's personal catcher has an .809 OPS.
we already has this asinine discussion. you didn't like the answer. there's already an answer above you can apply about how a guy goes from 1st base to home on a sac fly that included him stealing 3rd while lester watched from the mound. the fact that the cubs bats, 100% independent of that situation, scored some runs invalidates it as an issue to you. i find that stupid. we will not get anywhere with this. you know we will not get anywhere with this...because we already had this asinine discussion.
it's not about SB...it never was.
jake arrieta being slow to the plate isn't comparable to jon lester not throwing to any base. how the runners read off arrieta isn't anything similar to what a runner is reading off lester.
maybe arrieta could use a personal catcher solely to control his running game...but i doubt it's that important.