Gameday Open Thread / Cubs @ Athletics
Submitted by Cubnut on Thu, 03/06/2008 - 1:43pm
The Cubs play the A's this afternoon at 2:05 Central Time in Phoenix. You can hear the game via the mlb.com Web cast.
Jason Marquis starts for the Cubs against former White Sox farmhand and non-roster invitee Gio Gonzalez. The lefty led all of minor league baseball in strikeouts last season and fanned three Giants over two scoreless innings in his Oakland debut last Saturday.
Marquis also threw last Saturday and, you may recall, pitched like hell.
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#1 Re: Gameday Open Thread / Cubs @ Athletics
Has Marquis given up any hits? Mlb scoreboard says 2, but announcers say 0.
#2 Re: On the state owning Wrigley Field
I haven't posted since the change so I hope I'm doing it right and not breaking any new commandments. There's an interesting short piece on the state buying Wrigley Field in The Reader that came out today. Ben Joravsky, who has written a lot on Chicago's TIF (tax increment financing) says-
"Under the plan the state would issue bonds to pay for rebuilding Wrigley... Here's the tricky part: sales taxes going to the city would be frozen and any increase in revenues spurred by the renovation (including extra seats) would go to the state to repay the loans. 'The city would have to give up their share of the sales tax increment for the next 30 years,' Jim Thompson said."
A Joravsky correctly points out later in the article - money spent to refurbish Wrigley Field is money that can't be spent elsewhere. It's tied up in the park and will be slowly paid back from now until the year 2038. The needs of things like schools and parks will have to be payed for with money found elsewhere - probably through service cuts or tax hikes.
#3 Moises Moises Moises
Just read a Neyer note about how the injury to Alou might actually help the Mets in that it would force them to address their weak OF. They now have Beltran, Church and ?, with one of the ? being Angel Pagan.
Seems like Matt Murton would be nice trade bait but I don't know enough about the Mets (other than the fact that I have hated them since 1969) to know whether they have anything we value or need to make them good trade partners. Perhaps someone is rotting on the bench behind Jose Reyes?
I really like Murton and the Cubs may want the OF depth, but just curious.
#4 Re: Moises Moises Moises
cant forget the little engine that could...endy chavez. nice guy...handles his AAA/majors shuffles assignments well.
#13 Re: Moises Moises Moises
Yow, if Endy Chavez is all we could get for Murton I'd say fuggedaboudit. I think the redhead may become real valuable, expecially if Sori keeps getting nicked up.
#14 Re: Moises Moises Moises
my bad...i meant to say from the Mets LF/RF situation.
he's a lefty anyway, but he's one of the better sub-starter AAAA fodder types kicking around in their system.
#20 Re: Moises Moises Moises
You serious? Endy is twice the ball player of Matt Murton imo.
#21 Re: Moises Moises Moises
i suck at expressing myself today, evidently.
i was talking totally separate of the cubs/mets possible trade...just stating endy's one of the guys that could fill in for some of those mounting injuries.
i do think endy is a good 4th OF'r...even has a decent enough arm for the corners and could do CF in a pinch. team already has that guy in fuld, though.
#22 Re: Moises Moises Moises
What's the brand of the crazy pills you taking?
#26 Re: Moises Moises Moises
it's a 4th OF'r...he has the arm to play multiple positions and the speed to play CF if needed. im not talking about a guy you give 400+ab's to.
the guy ive seen the past couple year is not the same guy who "ignored" working on his patience while being groomed to start. he's got no power vs. lefties (what little he has anyway) but he can hit righties/lefties. he's not a strict "face righties only" type.
yes, fuld has more upside, but what do people expect outta fuld except a few more walks/steals than the player described above.
btw...if anyone wants to attack the above giving historical stats i'm gonna lose that fight, but im not fighting that fight...
#36 Re: Moises Moises Moises
Isn't the guy on the shuttle bus between New Orleans (right?) and New York a 6th outfielder?
Maybe they'll give that Martinez kid a crack at it.
#29 Re: Moises Moises Moises
ugg...now i follow.
i miss the "thing youre quoting" followed by reply format...my brain is still trying to figure out who's talking to who 1/2 the time.
TCR is the only msg board i use besides a horticulture board (which also follows a flat post format) so i'm not used to following the nesting boards with great scrutiny.
i'll get used to it...blah blah etc.
damn brain.
#30 Re: Moises Moises Moises
Do people argue and flame each other about horticulture stuff on that board?
#38 Re: Moises Moises Moises
yes...there's a nice one going on now about seed propagators and seed sellers re-naming and mislabeling seed and continuing to do so after being told its not cool by peers.
stuff like calling a "potato leaf red brandywine" a brandywine at all when its not a true brandywine and other such crap i dont get involved with...
OH THE HUMANITY!!!
#52 Re: Moises Moises Moises
lmao, that's awesome! It vindicated what I already knew: People will argue about anything.
#31 Re: Moises Moises Moises
crunch - i just set mine to flat, expanded and it's just like the old TCR.
I personally hate the nested comments, so I really appreciate that I can do it the old way.. Thanks site designers -
#37 Re: Moises Moises Moises
yeah, the only problem is like what i did above...mistake who's talking to who cuz people dont quote what theyre responding to as much.
like:
"blah blah blah"
re: blah blah. i blah blah etc.
i'll get the hang of it...it just takes adjustment time cuz im not used to it.
#5 Re: Moises Moises Moises
Yeah, on WFAN in NY they are all talking about how the have to go get a nice right handed bat for the OF. Murton might be a good fit for them, but I am not sure they have anything to give, and what they do have they aren't going to give up.
#6 Re: Gameday Open Thread / Cubs @ Athletics
A's announcers tearing down paul "you gonna finish that drink" sullivan over him blasting mark ellis (in a private convo, lighthearted, i believe).
"brain roberts or mark ellis...what you want? c'mon?"
also of note...gary hughes is in the A's booth. he just had to get on the broadcast with them (mic'd up now) to lightheartedly defend the cubs. hehe...
#7 Re: Gameday Open Thread / Cubs @ Athletics
It wasn't private. Sullivan was on the air with them.
Sullivan wasn't actually blasting Ellis. They asked him if he might be a possibility for the Cubs, and he didn't seem to understand why he would be. They seemed to assume that because they were looking at Roberts, then the Cubs must be in the market for a 2B. They were shocked that he wouldn't immediately jump at the opportunity.
#9 Re: Gameday Open Thread / Cubs @ Athletics
Did Ellis start hitting from the left side recently or are the A's announcers just that dumb?
#10 Re: Gameday Open Thread / Cubs @ Athletics
given the announcers were just kicking the cubs rotation around including gems such as "marshall's in there" and forgetting rich hill exists is a clue.
ah, its spring training for announcers, too...for those that sat around all offseason playing golf and watching football.
#8 Re: Gameday Open Thread / Cubs @ Athletics
I missed that...thanks for clearing it up.
The exchange I was speaking on in my post was lighthearted, fwiw.
#11 Re: Gameday Open Thread / Cubs @ Athletics
That discussion of Fuld got me wondering. Does anyone know who holds the record for most major league ab's without ever getting a hit? I assume it's a pitcher, but I'd be curious what the positional record would be.
#17 Re: Gameday Open Thread / Cubs @ Athletics
The Joe--If I'm applying the Baseball-Reference Play Index tool correctly, Randy Tate, who pitched for the Mets in one season only (1975), would hold that record with 41 hitless at-bats (22 strikeouts, 1 base on balls.)
#18 Re: Gameday Open Thread / Cubs @ Athletics
For non-pitchers, it's 21 hitless at-bats by someone called Larry Littleton. an outfielder/pinch-hitter for the Indians in his one career season, 1981.
#32 Re: Gameday Open Thread / Cubs @ Athletics
Thanks Cubnut...that's what I was looking for.
#12 Re: Gameday Open Thread / Cubs @ Athletics
A's announcers comparing ceda to a.benitez.
okay...umm...
are they talking about his stuff...or has he gained 20-50lbs?
#15 Re: Gameday Open Thread / Cubs @ Athletics
well, ceda's doing his best benitez impersonation giving away that lead.
A's lead 2-1.
#19 Re: Gameday Open Thread / Cubs @ Athletics
Lou: "I'm tired of young pitchers blowing leads."
Ceda: "Shall I just directly to the minor league camp, or do you want to yell at me some more?"
Biggest disappointment so far (as of March 6).
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