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A Trade Possibility...

Submitted by Rob G. on Thu, 03/06/2008 - 7:35pm.
Rotoworld had a blurb today that Kevin Frandsen is taking a break from playing shortsop. This is on the heels of Omar Vizquel being sidelined with a knee injury. Rotoworld speculates the Giants will probably be looking for a shortstop by the time spring training is ending and it made me think the Cubs might be able to help them out.

As previously mentioned, by a number of folks including our own Arizona Phil, center fielder Rajai Davis is out of options and could possibly fill that right-handed hitting, three-spot outfielder the Cubs have been searching for since the offseason began. A speedster, who is known for playing hard at all times, his major and minor league numbers suggest that, at the very least, he's not immune to taking a walk. The Cubs, of course, have a shortstop named Ronny Cedeno who happens to be also out of options.

So Jim Hendry, if you're out there, go ahead and contact me and I'll let you know where to send the consulting fee once this goes through.
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#1 Re: A Trade Possibility...

Submitted by John Beasley on Thu, 03/06/2008 - 8:00pm.

I'd love that move. Do it to it.

And for the record, there's probably no one better on the planet for Ronny Cedeno to learn from than Omar Vizquel.

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#20 Re: A Trade Possibility...

Submitted by The Real Neal on Fri, 03/07/2008 - 11:04am.

What about Dusty Baker?

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#39 Re: A Trade Possibility...

Submitted by GEOvITC on Sat, 03/08/2008 - 11:50am.

Why not just trade Schoenweis and Castillo to the Cubs for Marquis, DeRosa and Murton?

It solves problems for both teams and wouldn't gut the farm system as the Roberts trade.

1. Castillo bats behind Soriano.

2. Schoenweis becomes provides a nice lefty option out of the pen.

3. Cedeno plays CF, SS & 2B off the bench in a platoon with Pie.

4. Cintron plays SS, 2B & 3B as a back-up.

5. Jake Fox (PH/OF/1B/C), Henry Blanco (C/1B) & Daryl Ward (PH/OF/1B) finsih out the bench.

For the Mets:

1. Murton solves their need for an outfielder that can hit in the middle of the order.

2. DeRosa replaces Castillo - with more power.

3. Marquis eats innings.

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#2 Re: A Trade Possibility...

Submitted by Rob G. on Thu, 03/06/2008 - 8:45pm.
Of course, it leaves the Cubs with Alex Cintron as the backup SS in all likelihood...so yeah.

#3 Re: A Trade Possibility...

Submitted by carlosrubi on Thu, 03/06/2008 - 10:35pm.

Hmm... thought Frandsen could handle SS for a while.

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#4 No!

Submitted by Chifan on Fri, 03/07/2008 - 12:27am.

Cedeno is worth more than Rajai Davis and I do not even like Cedeno that much. We should be targeting Brian Anderson for the right handed backup OF, the White Sox seem to want a back of the rotation guy give them Marshall or Dempster depending if they want a vet or young guy.

#5 Re: No!

Submitted by crunch on Fri, 03/07/2008 - 12:56am.

That would be a decent enough proposal for both sides. Unfortunately they already got a SS backlog with 2 guys who are possible starters and/or paid like starters in cabrerra and uribe.

Agreed that cedeno is worth ore than r.davis...fontenot i wouldnt have an issue with.

#6 Re: No!

Submitted by Rob G. on Fri, 03/07/2008 - 1:08am.

100% certain that no one is going to trade for Mike Fontenot to play SS for them.

But yeah, probably would be happier just keeping Cedeno and teach him how to shag flyballs. 

#7 Re: No!

Submitted by crunch on Fri, 03/07/2008 - 2:33am.

yeah, fontenot has a hard enough time ranging 2nd base.

the "well, he does have experience playing there" can only get you so far.

may we never see more than 1 inning of d.ward playing RF in anything but a blowout game in 2008, please...wow...yeah...

#9 Re: No!

Submitted by Timmer on Fri, 03/07/2008 - 7:06am.

Brian Anderson?! The guy can't hit his weight.

#10 Re: No!

Submitted by Dr. aaron b on Fri, 03/07/2008 - 8:26am.

He can hit the shit out of John Mabry.

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#12 Re: No!

Submitted by Timmer on Fri, 03/07/2008 - 8:34am.

He can hit the shit out of John Mabry.

I had forgotten about that. It was a great baseball fight.

#8 trades...

Submitted by crunch on Fri, 03/07/2008 - 2:43am.

fwiw...things like trading for pro-level players in march tends to not happen til the last week or so of march.

i could only find offseason trading records back to 2003, but there has only been one pro-level talent exchange prior to the last stretch of ST.

trade was a dbacks march 8th 2006 a.cintron to the wsox for whosit mcwhatshisface, btw.

so what's this mean? nothing. just something to be aware of while the rumors grind us down.

#13 Re: trades...

Submitted by WISCGRAD on Fri, 03/07/2008 - 8:37am.

Yeah, about March 20th is typically when deals start happening again.

#11 Re: A Trade Possibility...

Submitted by WISCGRAD on Fri, 03/07/2008 - 8:31am.

I didn't really know much about Davis, but after looking up his stats, I'd be all for this trade. In 190 at bats he hit .279 with a .361 OBP, in addition to 32 runs, 11 doubles, and 22 stolen bases. Take those numbers out to a full season (roughly multiple by 3) and you get a pretty good player. 30+ doubles, nearly 100 runs scored, and over 60 stolen bases. In the minors he regularly stole 40-50 bases a season, has a career OBP of .373, and it looks like he is a pretty good outfielder as well - has had double digit assists twice. And even though it's a small N of just 67 games, fwiw he has a 1.000 fielding percentage in the bigs.

#15 Re: A Trade Possibility...

Submitted by John Beasley on Fri, 03/07/2008 - 9:19am.

And to build on that, he splits even better against lefties than righties. If our presumptive CF should prove he is not ready to handle a full-time gig, they would be a really nice (and cheap) platoon duo.

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#21 Re: A Trade Possibility...

Submitted by Wes on Fri, 03/07/2008 - 11:04am.

Saw a lot of Rajai when he was in AAA Indy in the Pirates organization.

I really think he's a good player. Kid's got great wheels. Exceptional defensively. Does do a pretty good job of taking walks. He just doesn't have any power, though.

#14 Re: A Trade Possibility...

Submitted by rokfish on Fri, 03/07/2008 - 8:43am.

the cubs should at least float the possibility out there
and let andy the clown see it.

#16 What about a guy

Submitted by The E-Man on Fri, 03/07/2008 - 9:42am.

I have always liked:
Randy Wynn?

He has always played well against us.

Hits for power.

Some speed.

Solid defensively.

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#23 Re: What about a guy

Submitted by Ryno on Fri, 03/07/2008 - 12:16pm.

I so wanted the Cub's to go after him when Seattle traded him. I think I might have even bitched about it on TCR.

Think he can play CF?

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#30 Re: What about a guy

Submitted by Chad on Fri, 03/07/2008 - 12:53pm.

I think he can still play centerfield and I would love to have him on the Cubs.

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#17 Re: A Trade Possibility...

Submitted by dleturno on Fri, 03/07/2008 - 10:08am.

Brian Anderson? Pew. I thought we were looking for basically a "bench" guy that bats right-handed and can play all outfield spots? Randy Winn is a starter. I'd be all for welcoming Rajai to the squad. I saw him play several times when he was an Indianapolis Indian and he plays hard and would upgrade the Cubs team speed. If Felix flounders or twists his other nut, I don't think we'd miss a beat with RD. Love the trade idea, Rob.

#18 "Twists another nut"

Submitted by The E-Man on Fri, 03/07/2008 - 10:22am.

LOL!

OUCH!!!!!!!!!!

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#19 Re: A Trade Possibility...

Submitted by Timmer on Fri, 03/07/2008 - 10:42am.

I still like Rob G's idea of sending a reliever to the Tigers for Inge and then flipping him to the Angels for Figgins.

#22 Re: Inge and Tigers

Submitted by Rob G. on Fri, 03/07/2008 - 12:08pm.
not sure I can take credit for that, the newspaper report was the Tigers asking us about bullpen help and mentioning Inge, I think "the Joe" was hoping we can then flip him for Chone, which is pretty doubtful. I had, earlier in the offseason, mentioned trying to work a 3-way deal between the same 3 teams though where Angels get Inge and something, Tigers gets some relievers and pitching rotation depth (Marhsall, Gallagher, Hart type guys) and we get Figgins. That's just me, floating stuff though.

#27 Re: Inge and Tigers

Submitted by Timmer on Fri, 03/07/2008 - 12:28pm.

I think "the Joe" was hoping we can then flip him for Chone, which is pretty doubtful.

I'd be happy with Willits -- not on the same level as Figgins, of course, but he would be an excellent 4th outfielder/platoon CF for the Cubs.

#24 Re: A Trade Possibility...

Submitted by WISCGRAD on Fri, 03/07/2008 - 12:20pm.

http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=2...

Cub's cut the roster finally, if this hasn't already been posted. No surprises, but some of Lou's pitching problems should go away.

#25 Roster cuts--Cubs trim big-league camp down to 50

Submitted by OmarLittle on Fri, 03/07/2008 - 12:22pm.

http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=2...

List includes:

Pitchers
Billy Petrick
Esmailin Caridad
Jose Ceda
Geoff Jones

Outfielders
Tyler Colvin
Andres Torres

Infielders
Bobby Scales

Catchers
Wellington Castillo
Josh Donaldson

#29 Re: Roster cuts--Cubs trim big-league camp down to 50

Submitted by Timmer on Fri, 03/07/2008 - 12:38pm.

Torres is a big surprise. There's no other right-handed hitting "true" CF in the ML camp now. Either they're happy with the way Cedeno looks out there, or someone else is on their way.

#26 Re: A Trade Possibility...

Submitted by The Real Neal on Fri, 03/07/2008 - 12:28pm.

Early cut for Colvin, considering he was in the RF discussion until Fukudome was signed.

When do the minor leauge games start?

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#31 Re: A Trade Possibility...

Submitted by big_lowitzki on Fri, 03/07/2008 - 1:05pm.

Since when was Colvin in the RF discussion?

Did anyone seriously mention Colvin as a possibility?

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#28 Re: A Trade Possibility...

Submitted by Hrothgar on Fri, 03/07/2008 - 12:36pm.

awright, so who's the poor schlub who wasted his 1st round pick on pujols? i swear those guys sold their soul for that world series.

#32 Re: A Trade Possibility...

Submitted by Dr. aaron b on Fri, 03/07/2008 - 1:06pm.

I'd sell Chad's soul for a Cubs WS title

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#33 Re: A Trade Possibility...

Submitted by Chad on Fri, 03/07/2008 - 1:09pm.

Holy crap!

What did I do to you?!?!?!

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#34 Re: Chad's Soul

Submitted by Rob G. on Fri, 03/07/2008 - 1:14pm.
don't act shocked, like you wouldn't sell your own soul for a Cubs WS title.

#35 Re: Chad's Soul

Submitted by Chad on Fri, 03/07/2008 - 1:22pm.

I have thought about selling my soul for a long time. But screw the Cubs. If I'm selling my soul, I would get to be a rock star. And not some crappy ass rock star like Pete Wentz but a real rock star like Gene Simmons or Mick Jagger.

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#36 Re: Chad's Soul

Submitted by Dr. aaron b on Fri, 03/07/2008 - 1:43pm.

Probably better use of your soul there Chad. Selfishly I would rather Sacrifice your soul for the greater good of Cubdom. It was nothing personal against you I assure you. It was just a sacrifice I was willing to make. Surely you understand.

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#38 Re: Chad's Soul

Submitted by Chad on Fri, 03/07/2008 - 3:25pm.

I didn't really take it personally and I understand your reasoning. I thought it was funny that you used me.

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#37 Re: Chad's Soul

Submitted by JoePepitone on Fri, 03/07/2008 - 2:13pm.

"And not some crappy ass rock star like Pete Wentz but a real rock star like Gene Simmons or Mick Jagger."

I thought Gene Simmons is a cartoon character...

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