A Trade Possibility...

Rotoworld had a blurb today that Kevin Frandsen is taking a break from playing shortsop. This is on the heels of Omar Vizquel being sidelined with a knee injury. Rotoworld speculates the Giants will probably be looking for a shortstop by the time spring training is ending and it made me think the Cubs might be able to help them out.

As previously mentioned, by a number of folks including our own Arizona Phil, center fielder Rajai Davis is out of options and could possibly fill that right-handed hitting, three-spot outfielder the Cubs have been searching for since the offseason began. A speedster, who is known for playing hard at all times, his major and minor league numbers suggest that, at the very least, he's not immune to taking a walk. The Cubs, of course, have a shortstop named Ronny Cedeno who happens to be also out of options.

So Jim Hendry, if you're out there, go ahead and contact me and I'll let you know where to send the consulting fee once this goes through.


I'd love that move. Do it to it.

And for the record, there's probably no one better on the planet for Ronny Cedeno to learn from than Omar Vizquel.

What about Dusty Baker?

Why not just trade Schoenweis and Castillo to the Cubs for Marquis, DeRosa and Murton?

It solves problems for both teams and wouldn't gut the farm system as the Roberts trade.

1. Castillo bats behind Soriano.

2. Schoenweis becomes provides a nice lefty option out of the pen.

3. Cedeno plays CF, SS & 2B off the bench in a platoon with Pie.

4. Cintron plays SS, 2B & 3B as a back-up.

5. Jake Fox (PH/OF/1B/C), Henry Blanco (C/1B) & Daryl Ward (PH/OF/1B) finsih out the bench.

For the Mets:

1. Murton solves their need for an outfielder that can hit in the middle of the order.

2. DeRosa replaces Castillo - with more power.

3. Marquis eats innings.

Of course, it leaves the Cubs with Alex Cintron as the backup SS in all likelihood...so yeah.

Hmm... thought Frandsen could handle SS for a while.

Cedeno is worth more than Rajai Davis and I do not even like Cedeno that much. We should be targeting Brian Anderson for the right handed backup OF, the White Sox seem to want a back of the rotation guy give them Marshall or Dempster depending if they want a vet or young guy.

That would be a decent enough proposal for both sides. Unfortunately they already got a SS backlog with 2 guys who are possible starters and/or paid like starters in cabrerra and uribe.

Agreed that cedeno is worth ore than r.davis...fontenot i wouldnt have an issue with.

100% certain that no one is going to trade for Mike Fontenot to play SS for them.

But yeah, probably would be happier just keeping Cedeno and teach him how to shag flyballs. 

yeah, fontenot has a hard enough time ranging 2nd base.

the "well, he does have experience playing there" can only get you so far.

may we never see more than 1 inning of d.ward playing RF in anything but a blowout game in 2008, please...wow...yeah...

Brian Anderson?! The guy can't hit his weight.

He can hit the shit out of John Mabry.

He can hit the shit out of John Mabry.

I had forgotten about that. It was a great baseball fight.

fwiw...things like trading for pro-level players in march tends to not happen til the last week or so of march.

i could only find offseason trading records back to 2003, but there has only been one pro-level talent exchange prior to the last stretch of ST.

trade was a dbacks march 8th 2006 a.cintron to the wsox for whosit mcwhatshisface, btw.

so what's this mean? nothing. just something to be aware of while the rumors grind us down.

Yeah, about March 20th is typically when deals start happening again.

I didn't really know much about Davis, but after looking up his stats, I'd be all for this trade. In 190 at bats he hit .279 with a .361 OBP, in addition to 32 runs, 11 doubles, and 22 stolen bases. Take those numbers out to a full season (roughly multiple by 3) and you get a pretty good player. 30+ doubles, nearly 100 runs scored, and over 60 stolen bases. In the minors he regularly stole 40-50 bases a season, has a career OBP of .373, and it looks like he is a pretty good outfielder as well - has had double digit assists twice. And even though it's a small N of just 67 games, fwiw he has a 1.000 fielding percentage in the bigs.

And to build on that, he splits even better against lefties than righties. If our presumptive CF should prove he is not ready to handle a full-time gig, they would be a really nice (and cheap) platoon duo.

Saw a lot of Rajai when he was in AAA Indy in the Pirates organization.

I really think he's a good player. Kid's got great wheels. Exceptional defensively. Does do a pretty good job of taking walks. He just doesn't have any power, though.

the cubs should at least float the possibility out there
and let andy the clown see it.

I have always liked:
Randy Wynn?

He has always played well against us.

Hits for power.

Some speed.

Solid defensively.

I so wanted the Cub's to go after him when Seattle traded him. I think I might have even bitched about it on TCR.

Think he can play CF?

I think he can still play centerfield and I would love to have him on the Cubs.

Brian Anderson? Pew. I thought we were looking for basically a "bench" guy that bats right-handed and can play all outfield spots? Randy Winn is a starter. I'd be all for welcoming Rajai to the squad. I saw him play several times when he was an Indianapolis Indian and he plays hard and would upgrade the Cubs team speed. If Felix flounders or twists his other nut, I don't think we'd miss a beat with RD. Love the trade idea, Rob.



I still like Rob G's idea of sending a reliever to the Tigers for Inge and then flipping him to the Angels for Figgins.

not sure I can take credit for that, the newspaper report was the Tigers asking us about bullpen help and mentioning Inge, I think "the Joe" was hoping we can then flip him for Chone, which is pretty doubtful. I had, earlier in the offseason, mentioned trying to work a 3-way deal between the same 3 teams though where Angels get Inge and something, Tigers gets some relievers and pitching rotation depth (Marhsall, Gallagher, Hart type guys) and we get Figgins. That's just me, floating stuff though.

I think "the Joe" was hoping we can then flip him for Chone, which is pretty doubtful.

I'd be happy with Willits -- not on the same level as Figgins, of course, but he would be an excellent 4th outfielder/platoon CF for the Cubs.


Cub's cut the roster finally, if this hasn't already been posted. No surprises, but some of Lou's pitching problems should go away.


List includes:

Billy Petrick
Esmailin Caridad
Jose Ceda
Geoff Jones

Tyler Colvin
Andres Torres

Bobby Scales

Wellington Castillo
Josh Donaldson

Torres is a big surprise. There's no other right-handed hitting "true" CF in the ML camp now. Either they're happy with the way Cedeno looks out there, or someone else is on their way.

Early cut for Colvin, considering he was in the RF discussion until Fukudome was signed.

When do the minor leauge games start?

Since when was Colvin in the RF discussion?

Did anyone seriously mention Colvin as a possibility?

awright, so who's the poor schlub who wasted his 1st round pick on pujols? i swear those guys sold their soul for that world series.

I'd sell Chad's soul for a Cubs WS title

Holy crap!

What did I do to you?!?!?!

don't act shocked, like you wouldn't sell your own soul for a Cubs WS title.

I have thought about selling my soul for a long time. But screw the Cubs. If I'm selling my soul, I would get to be a rock star. And not some crappy ass rock star like Pete Wentz but a real rock star like Gene Simmons or Mick Jagger.

Probably better use of your soul there Chad. Selfishly I would rather Sacrifice your soul for the greater good of Cubdom. It was nothing personal against you I assure you. It was just a sacrifice I was willing to make. Surely you understand.

I didn't really take it personally and I understand your reasoning. I thought it was funny that you used me.

"And not some crappy ass rock star like Pete Wentz but a real rock star like Gene Simmons or Mick Jagger."

I thought Gene Simmons is a cartoon character...

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  • it took you 4 posts to get to this?

    have you checked the batteries in your carbon monoxide detector?

    #droppingknowledge #savinglives

    crunch 16 min 53 sec ago view
  • Fwiw, Billy Hamilton's actual WAR numbers that relate to the ones that I posted for Mike Trout are:

    • 2014: 2.5
    • 2015: 1.0
    • 2016: 2.6

    But by all means #crunchsplain on the stupidity of WAR while exaggerating your points. I can't wait to read more.

    Rob G. 22 min 11 sec ago view
  • jacos 22 min 20 sec ago view
  • *stroking intensifies*

    crunch 25 min 49 sec ago view
  • #crunchsplaining

    Thanks for the awesome give and take today and for the 535 words you spilled filling in all the gaps that I woefully neglected. We're all a little wiser and better for it. I look forward to your play-by-play summary later in the comments.

    Rob G. 32 min 18 sec ago view
  • it was about a post comparing players based on WAR...and comparing WAR values of a CF to a slew of other players...a post that you made...and i made a comment...that talked about D weighting of WAR...and comparinging WAR values of a CF to a slew of other players...etc etc...

    hell, we didn't even get in deep. i didn't even involve UZR or FIP versions and their strengths/weaknesses...or position mandated "handicapping" in points...etc.

    let's not talk about that...cool, fine, awesome. context sucks. san dimas highschool football rules.


    crunch 40 min 13 sec ago view
  • Ha

    jacos 55 min 51 sec ago view
  • Thanks for shining a light on this very important topic and steering it away from the frivolity that was the awesomenes of Mike Trout, but moreso on the foolishness of WAR as a metric to judge the value of center fielders. We're all a little wiser now and your contributions are invaluable to this community and to America's pastime. God Bless!

    Rob G. 1 hour 18 min ago view
  • so...what's chan-yong lim up to these days?



    crunch 2 hours 43 min ago view
  • yes, those hamilton WAR numbers are very reasonable. i'm on your side now based on that biting commentary and reasoning of why he's a 3.5-ish WAR player over a 600 PA season.

    those numbers are obviously well deserved and worthy of no scrutiny...none at all. no issue.

    CF D is rarer than a jon lester pickoff at 2nd...totally irreplaceable...no way in hell there's good D, low/no-hitting CF's in anyone's system that could do what hamilton is doing. guys like this don't exist...you get like, 2-3 at any given time in history.

    crunch 3 hours 2 min ago view
  • Please do not discuss War here. I think the Cub Reporter should be politics free.

    But yes, whether you support War or Peace...Mike Trout is ridiculously consistent and good.

    blockhead25 5 hours 21 min ago view
  • ^^^#WARTruther

    Rob G. 5 hours 33 min ago view
  • "According to FOX Sports' Jon Morosi, Tim Tebow's baseball workout Tuesday in Los Angeles will be attended by scouts from "roughly half" of the 30 major league teams."

    "One scout told ESPN.com last week that Tebow's swing is so long it might "take out the front row." That's not a good thing."

    crunch 8 hours 4 min ago view
  • MyrtleBeachPelicans [email protected]

    The #MBpelicans and @Cubs have extended their PDC through 2020!
    Carolina League getting 2 new teams too.

    QuietMan 8 hours 23 min ago view
  • CF WAR is ridiculous...billy hamilton is pulling a 3.0 WAR somehow...and managed a 2.0 WAR last year (even though he missed a month of the season)...and a 3.7 WAR in 2014.

    yeah, a lot depends on how one is doing relative to others at a given position, but WAR is common used (right or wrong) as a blanket comparing all kinds of players.

    trout's one of the best, and at this point should probably win over donaldson (and should have more MVPs in the past, too), but the defensive aspect of valuing WAR still needs more tweaking...imo.

    crunch 8 hours 29 min ago view
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