Great Moments In Brian-Roberts-To-Cubs-Trade-Rumor History
"The first test of Andy MacPhail's authority as Orioles president of baseball operations will come if a rival club makes a strong push to acquire second baseman Brian Roberts."A year ago, Orioles owner Peter Angelos refused to allow his previous front office to trade Roberts...Orioles executives, however, say privately that they are not under orders to keep Roberts.
"The Mets and Astros were among the teams that showed interest in Roberts before signing free-agent second basemen Luis Castillo and Kaz Matsui, respectively.
"The next team to take a run at Roberts could be the Cubs, who failed to land Matsui."
-- FoxSports.com, 12/3/07
"The Cubs and Baltimore Orioles have talked about a possible deal for switch-hitting second baseman Brian Roberts, who could move into the No. 2 spot in the lineup and provide some much needed speed. Reports that the Cubs were trading Rich Hill to the Orioles for Roberts were denied by team officials.
"'Anybody who can hit left-handed and run and play the middle of the infield, we would certainly still look into,' Hendry said."
-- Cubs.com, 12/6/07
"On hold over much of the last month, the Brian Roberts talks are on again between the Cubs and Baltimore Orioles. This deal almost certainly is going to happen--the only question is when and how much it's going to cost the Cubs."
-- Chicago Tribune, 1/10/08
"Are the Cubs still pursuing Brian Roberts or were they scared off by the steroids? He is exactly what they need to make a strong challenge (apart from a center fielder who can hit). Roberts can lead off, steal, hit for average and field. They should have enough pitchers to make the deal happen." . . . Dan W., Naples, Fla.
"The Cubs and Orioles are still talking, but some of the players mentioned recently are not involved, so don't believe the rumors. Keep in mind that Roberts is a favorite of Orioles owner Peter Angelos, who blocked a trade last year that involved the second baseman. The Mitchell Report revelations are not the holdup--it's just a matter of finding the right match for both teams, and the reports out of Baltimore are that Orioles general manager Andy MacPhail has very specific requests."
-- Cubs.com, 1/14/08
"Contrary to popular belief, knowledgeable Cubs sources say the two teams have not gotten serious about discussing specific players the Orioles would want for Roberts.
"It's highly unlikely the Cubs will trade center-field prospect Felix Pie or former top draft pick Tyler Colvin for Roberts. But a package possibly involving pitcher Sean Marshall or Sean Gallagher plus another player seems more in the ballpark.
"During the Cubs Convention last month, manager Lou Piniella said he didn't believe the Cubs would get Roberts. Piniella also expressed his pleasure with incumbent second baseman Mark DeRosa, who would be moved to a super-utility role if Roberts comes to Chicago.
"At this point, Hendry also seems resigned to moving on without Roberts if he and MacPhail can't agree on a deal."
-- Daily Herald, 2/8/08
"There is now a feeling in Orioles land that Angelos may be balking at the negotiated haul for Roberts, which according to sources, is a very fair three-player package of young pitcher Sean Gallagher, outfielder Matt Murton and infielder Ronny Cedeno. There is also a sense that Angelos has an unreasonable attachment to Roberts, who may well remind the owner of himself: a little guy who's scrapped his way to the top of his profession (no, not baseball; Angelos is at the top of the legal profession, at least in terms of dollars earned)."
-- si.com, 2/11/08
"MacPhail said more than one team has shown interest in trading for Roberts, though the Cubs are believed to be the most aggressive suitor. Roberts called the Cubs 'a great organization' and said Chicago would be a fun place to play. Roberts attended a 2003 National League Championship Series game between the Cubs and Florida Marlins as a guest of former teammate Jeff Conine and said he was amazed at the electric atmosphere at Wrigley Field."
-- Baltimore Sun, 2/20/08
MESA, Ariz. - The Cubs still hope to acquire second baseman Brian Roberts and an outfielder before the end of spring training, but general manager Jim Hendry shot down Internet and radio rumors that a trade is imminent.
"There have been no active talks in any trade situation in the last five or six days," Hendry said.
-- Chicago Tribune, 3/5/08
FORT LAUDERDALE, Fla. - The Orioles and Chicago Cubs have not had any recent discussions about All-Star second baseman Brian Roberts, pushing the potential deal toward Opening Day or beyond.
The talks have stalled while scouts from the teams evaluate players on each other's roster. The Cubs, who are looking for a leadoff hitter to set up the middle of their lineup, have had at least one scout at every game Roberts has played this spring. Dave Engle, one of the Orioles' top scouts, went to Mesa, Ariz., to observe several of the Cubs' prospects.
"Our scouts are out and about doing their due diligence and watching the teams that they should be watching," Orioles president of baseball operations Andy MacPhail said.
Asked whether he feels compelled to make a decision on the status of Roberts by a certain date, MacPhail said, "I'm not a big one on drop-dead dates."
-- Baltimore Sun, 3/8/08
"Sources confirmed Thursday that the Cubs have a four-player offer for Roberts on the table that includes the addition of hard-throwing pitching prospect Jose Ceda. Infielder Ronny Cedeno and pitchers Sean Gallagher and Donnie Veal also are in the package.
"The Cubs and Baltimore Orioles talked again during the past week, and insiders in both camps have expressed strong feelings that a deal will get done for the All-Star second baseman. However, they consider it likely to take an 11th-hour agreement before the openers on March 31.
"It's also possible the deal could grow to include pitcher Jason Marquis going to Baltimore and outfielder Jay Payton coming to the Cubs in a 5-for-2 or 6-for-2 trade that likely would include cash."
-- Chicago Sun-Times, 3/14/08
"There have been no significant developments over the past week or two, and the time left for getting the deal done during spring training is growing short. The Orioles aren't fettered by any hard-and-fast limits on when they can act, but you can bet both teams would like to reach some semblance of roster certainty over the next 10 days.
"Does that mean a deal is imminent? No. It probably means that if the Cubs do not show a sense of urgency during the next week or so, this could stretch well into the season and the chemistry of the situation could change dramatically..."
-- Baltimore Sun, 3/15/08
"Can we please overpay for Chone Figgins and forget about Baltimore already?"
-- Cubster, The Cub Reporter, 3/15/08










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#1 Re: Great Moments In Brian-Roberts-To-Cubs-Trade-Rumor History
Nice graphic.
I think Figgins would cost us more than Roberts, but hard to say. It would probably have to be a 3 way deal unless Wood starts suddenly hitting.
#4 Re: Great Moments In Brian-Roberts-To-Cubs-Trade-Rumor History
Thanks.
I know Figgins was supposedly on the White Sox' radar earlier this off-season. I agree with Cubster's sentiment that it would be nice to have a viable alternative to dealing with MacPhail. Maybe it's the lack of leverage that is preventing the Cubs from being able to complete this trade.
#12 Re: Graphic
Needs more flames...apparently you missed the inter-office memo on increasing readership with eye-catching graphics. We'll discuss this privately. :)
#14 Re: Graphic
Rob,
I think flames should remain your design niche. I'm laying claim to anal-retentive printing.
About the possibility of trading for Figgins--
mlbtraderumors.com flagged this article in the L.A. Times...
http://www.latimes.com/sports/baseball/mlb/angels/la-sp-angels16mar16,1,7186253.story
...regarding Angels' starting staff injury woes--Lackey and Escobar out until sometime in May. Sounds like maybe they could use themselves a little Marquis.
#2 Re: Great Moments In Brian-Roberts-To-Cubs-Trade-Rumor History
Can Figgins play SS?
#3 Re: Great Moments In Brian-Roberts-To-Cubs-Trade-Rumor History
Hasn't played there much--27 games out of more than 700 in the majors. None last year.
#5 Re: Great Moments In Brian-Roberts-To-Cubs-Trade-Rumor History
No, not really. He played there exclusivley for his first three minor league seasons, posting fielding percentages of .867, .947, and .925 (the latter was a full 122 game season at High A). He was switched to second base to start the 2000 season and played mostly at second with a few games at short and third mixed in as he moved his way up the ladder. He played the outfield for the first time in 2003, at both AAA and in the majors - where he had a combined fielding percentage of 1.000 at the position. This included 40 games worth of innings for the Angels. In 2004 he played mostly 3B (92 games) but also played a lot of OF (57 games), as well as 2B and SS - all for the big league team. He's done much the same since, splitting time between a variety of positions.
I would say he would be worse at short than DeRosa would be (who has much more experience), but Figgins would be much better at oufield than DeRosa is, with the added ability to play center. So as part of a late inning switch or something you could put either DeRosa or Figgins at short, and I'm sure they'd do fine, but neither should be your starting SS for the season.
#20 Re: Great Moments In Brian-Roberts-To-Cubs-Trade-Rumor History
Can Figgins play SS?
#6 Re: Great Moments In Brian-Roberts-To-Cubs-Trade-Rumor History
"...failed to land Matsui"
Ah, sweet failure.
#21 Re: Great Moments In Brian-Roberts-To-Cubs-Trade-Rumor History
Nice.
Everytime Hendry does something good, like bringing in Leiber or Fukudome, I forget about the bad things he does or tries to do (Oh Aram-Ram you deed good, reverse chalupa for you!)
#31 Re: Great Moments In Brian-Roberts-To-Cubs-Trade-Rumor History
Speak for yourself. The Lieber and K-Fuk signings are nothing close to good yet. Especially compared to the Lilly and Alf signing last year.
#32 Re: Great Moments In Brian-Roberts-To-Cubs-Trade-Rumor History
"compared to the Lilly ... signing last year."
Which, if I remember correctly, you were opposed to because of money, years, principle, etc. Don't let that stop you though.
#33 Re: Great Moments In Brian-Roberts-To-Cubs-Trade-Rumor History
Well you remember incorrectly. I was fine with Lilly, not Marquis.
#40 Re: Great Moments In Brian-Roberts-To-Cubs-Trade-Rumor History
I disagree but don't have time to look it up.
#44 Re: Great Moments In Brian-Roberts-To-Cubs-Trade-Rumor History
by "fine", manny refrained from making a Hendry fat joke that day.
#51 Re: Great Moments In Brian-Roberts-To-Cubs-Trade-Rumor History
What the hell, I found some time.
MannyTrillo:
12/6/06, 10:37 p.m.
As for Lilly, I am not that excited still have more work to do on the pitching.
12/7/06, 4:12 p.m.
BP.com:
“I just don’t see where this (signing Lilly) pushes a team that much closer to a title.”
I can’t agree more…
#53 Re: Great Moments In Brian-Roberts-To-Cubs-Trade-Rumor History
To be fair, though, I also was pretty skeptical about the Lilly signing, and certainly about the Marquis signing.
#34 Re: Great Moments In Brian-Roberts-To-Cubs-Trade-Rumor History
That doesn't matter anyway.
What Manny thought about the deal before last season was irrelevant. He was commenting on the actual outcome rather than his prediction.
#43 Re: Great Moments In Brian-Roberts-To-Cubs-Trade-Rumor History
Exactly. Which is why negatively commenting on the Lieber and Fuku signings makes no sense. There's a difference between a bad signing and a bad outcome. The Nomar trade was a good idea but it turned out badly. The Marquis signing, although it wasn't too bad last year in outcome, was a bad idea. Saying that signing Lieber to a $1 minor league deal is not necessarily a good idea is just stupid.
#49 Re: Great Moments In Brian-Roberts-To-Cubs-Trade-Rumor History
n/t
#54 Re: Great Moments In Brian-Roberts-To-Cubs-Trade-Rumor History
Manny didn't like the DeRosa deal either and there's still over $100 million to go on Soriano, but well, that's just Manny being Manny.
I wasn't a fan of the DeRosa deal myself, but I think I did maintain the right to reserve judgement by saying something along 'maybe Hendry's scouts think that his improvements in 2006 are stustainable'. I really hated the Marquis signing, just because I thought the length was too much, but we'll see what Marquis gets turned into in the next 10 days.
#55 Re: Great Moments In Brian-Roberts-To-Cubs-Trade-Rumor History
You mean what Marquis and half our farm system gets turned into, cuz Marquis ain't gonna get it done by himself.
#64 Re: Great Moments In Brian-Roberts-To-Cubs-Trade-Rumor History
"Marquis ain't gonna get it done by himself."
Well at least you attributed what I said to me.
I meant what I said. If Marquis get's traded it's not necessarily going to be part of a larger deal.
#65 Re: Great Moments In Brian-Roberts-To-Cubs-Trade-Rumor History
Hey, I hope you're right.
#38 Re: Great Moments In Brian-Roberts-To-Cubs-Trade-Rumor History
Now I am really confused... who was I speaking for?
#7 Re: Great Moments In Brian-Roberts-To-Cubs-Trade-Rumor History
I have this bad feeling this year will be 1985 redux. We'll deal away all of our pitching depth to get Brian Roberts and on June 1, four of our five starters will be on the DL. Then we'll be forced to send out to the mound guys like Jay Baller and Steve Engel.
Seriously, I'd like to have Roberts. Every year we've had a top notch lead-off hitter, we've won. Dernier, Walton, Lance Johnson, Lofton...But McFail wants our top three pitching prospects plus Cedeno? Walk away, Hendry!
#8 Re: Great Moments In Brian-Roberts-To-Cubs-Trade-Rumor History
"Every year we've had a top notch lead-off hitter, we've won. Dernier, Walton, Lance Johnson, Lofton"
Did you forget we have Soriano? And when you tell me that he's not a leadoff hitter, I will remind you that we won the central last year.
#10 Re: Great Moments In Brian-Roberts-To-Cubs-Trade-Rumor History
We also had Walton in 1990, and that didn't do us much good!!
#11 Re: Great Moments In Brian-Roberts-To-Cubs-Trade-Rumor History
You bring up an interesting point. The rosters from 1984-1985 and from 1989-1990 were very similar with very little turnover. Yet the teams went from 96-65 to 77-84 and 90-72 to 77-85. Injuries accounted for some that, but 19 and 13 less wins worth? I guess I haven't looked at the performances side-by-side to see what went wrong, but it goes to show you that baseball is unpredictable.
#17 Re: Great Moments In Brian-Roberts-To-Cubs-Trade-Rumor History
It also points to the cubs long held tradition of not really upgrading teams when they are on the cusp. Too many times the moves they make tend to be window dressing and lateral moves. Recent examples also include
2004 Not getting a SS
2008 Not getting a SS
1999 Not really doing anything, however the 98 team was smoke and mirrors anyway
1990 Believing that Dwight Smith,Jerome Walton and Mike Bielecki were for real. They did go and get Danny Jackson,George Bell and the Ghost of Dave Smith to try and rectify things the following year. Unfortunately the nucleus wasnt as good as the Cubs thought it was.
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