Gameday Open Thread / Cubs @ Padres

Happy Easter to all!

Jason Marquis hopes for a few goose eggs in his basket in his last opportunity to impress the coaches before the rotation is announced Monday. Everyone's favorite Mad Dog goes for the Padres in Peoria.


Reed Johnson = good candidate for 5th OF?

He's always been a personal favorite of mine, and as you're probably referencing, the Jays are letting him go.


Just tell me whose roster spot he takes? 

Fuld, I would assume. I didn't know there was actually 25 people from whom to select at this point. But I'm guessing the way the team is situated that the five outfielders are Soriano, Fukudome, Pie, Murton and Fuld, with DeRosa, Ward and Cedeno able to play in a pinch out there.

Jason Werth would be a good back-up OF who can play all 3 spots and hits RH

Pie and Fuld were not both going to make the team anyway. They've said several times this spring that the loser of the battle will play everyday at AAA.

I'd nab Johnson if he's open to coming here because he can play all 3 outfield spots, is a righty bat, and he mashes lefties over his career. Plus he won't cost anything other than cash, unlike Coco Crisp.

My guess for the final 25 man is something like this:




Hill or Marshall
Marquis (if they don't deal him I think he starts over Lieber because he pitches well early, he could be showcased, and he might cause trouble if he's in the bullpen)

Lieber (pretty much useless to have him in the pen, but he's not going to be cut. He's probably edged out Marquis for the rotation but politics might cost him the job for now)

That's a 24 man roster, leaving room for Reed Johnson or, god forbid, Cedeno.

Johnson would give the team three righty bats on the bench when Pie starts - Murton, Johnson, Blanco
and two lefty bats - Ward, Fontenot

If Cedeno made the team the bench sucks, only Murton is a righty pinch hitter of any real value. I can't picture Cedeno making the team. Maybe the Roberts deal finally goes down soon, if so, and they pick up a righty OF like Johnson or someone else, Fontenot probably goes to the minors to start the year and Roberts takes his roster spot.

I wouldn't expect Hill to be sent down, but who knows. And unless Marquis and/or Marshall are traded, I don't see Marshall starting the season in the majors, just too many pieces and knock on wood, everyone is healthy right now.

"If Cedeno made the team the bench sucks"

I agree, but he will be on the roster opening day because he is out of options. I believe we have to have him on the roster, release him, or trade him. His trade value is not great right now so I would not be shocked if we see a prese release that looks a bit like this:

"Cedeno has been traded to the Pirates for a 'player to be named later.'"

Denver Post reports this morning that Cubs have given up on Pie, and wiil likely include him in a Roberts deal.

wall street journal reports this morning that britney spears has a headache, and will likely take an aspirin.

here's the blurb, btw...

"The expectation is that the Cubs will eventually ship off starter Jason Marquis to Boston for center fielder Coco Crisp. Chicago has clearly soured on Felix Pie. It wouldn't be a surprise to see Pie included in the Brian Roberts deal with Baltimore."

i dont buy it, but one of their columnists wrote it...

It sounds like someone's opinion. Based on what, I dunno. The quote is, The Cubs have "clearly given up on" Pie.

I think they are confusing Fuld with Pie.

Interesting rumors from middle to bottom of page..must read

"According to The Globe, the Cubs could send *insert same rumors/players we've heard since Dec/Jan/Feb* to the Orioles for Brian Roberts"


Miggy to be Tiger, albeit a very rich Tiger, for many years.

152 mil 8 year. Actually a bargain if you ask me.

152 mil for a lazy player who doesn't hustle, plays crappy defense, has shown a tendency in the past to gain weight fast, and has steroids/HGH rumors surrounding him? I don't agree. They'll regret that deal in the near future.

wonder how much his "friend" ozzie guillen will ride his ass to stay in shape like he has the past 2-3 seasons.

he's in shape now...for now...

I meant to post this link regarding Brian Robert's meeting which he had his agent accompany him to meet with Andy McFail...look for a trade this week.

Interesting..Derosa voicing if Roberts deal gets done wants to compete for the shortstop position.
seems like their source is Buster O.

with 1 week left of ST its a bit late to throw that hat in the ring...

but honestly, and i know some people dont think he can range SS for one reason or another (and lou sure didnt want him there much), i dont see an issue with derosa playing SS.

thing is...theriot has done nothing this spring to lose that job.

Chris Capuano has been diagnosed with a torn UCL. May need TJ surgery and will definitely miss some extended time.

Per the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel.

Bye-bye Brewers.

wsox/royals (oh joy) on WGN...cubs on the interwebs radio

I have a question, probably for Ariz Phil, but if anyone knows the answer, great. I know a player on a one year contract gets a prorated portion of the contract if they are released before a given date. I think once the season begins they get the entire contract once they are released.

But my question is, what about multiyear contracts. For example, ARod. He's signed for something like $275 million over 900 years. If a team wanted to cut a player with a long term deal, is only the first season pro-rated if they are cut before the season begins, and the additional years are all guaranteed?

I'm just curious because the NFL draft is coming up and free agency has me looking at salary cap figures, and also thinking about which sports have 100% guaranteed contracts.

all the money is guaranteed in a multiyear contract (usually an "escape clause" for a team is built in based around an injury or some other clause...if there is one at all).

a non-guaranteed contract are the ones that get players tiered pay and they're almost all exclusively 1-year deals.

Thanks Crunch.

cubs hitting mad ducks early...2 runs, 0 outs.


yow...6 runs in (theriot with a 3 run double in the 8 slot...madducks served up a 80-something mph fastball down the middle). marquis knocks in theriot with a single. ha.

With EPat and Soriano both stealing bases off Barrett. LOL.

marquis balking then giving up a 3 run HR...neat.

btw...tcr chat exists.

only 2 people in there right now and we're both randomly in/out it seems.

see most of you regular season...

"and has steroids/HGH rumors surrounding him?"

Yeah, and also false-birth certificate concerns? Gime me a break, Cabrera has never been linked, and I stress, never been linked to steroids and/or HGH.

That is true; he has never been linked to HGH. Yes, he is not the best fielding third baseman in baseball (acutually he may be the worst) but I would still take him over every other third baseman in the bigs (with the exception of A-Rod, obviously, and maybe David Wright, but probably not). He has played in at least 157 games in the last 4 years and had at least 114 RBIs each year in that time, while hitting .319 over that span. He has been one of the most consistent players of the last 4 years. He was incredibly underrated playing in FL and he is only 24.

I think this is one of the best signings in the last couple years. If the Tigers get smart they'll move him to LF to reduce his defensive liability; but how can you question this signing given his amazing offensive numbers over the last 4 years? There is no way the Tigers will regret this in the coming years. The only person that will is Miggy, wishing he held out for more money after he has an amazing '08 campaign.

But Carlos, he's a good hitter. Isn't that proof enough?

also from Crunch's tribune link:

The Cubs are also looking at adding a right-handed hitting outfielder, and Piniella said that either Reed Johnson or Jeff DaVanon could draw the Cubs interest. DaVanon, 34, was released by San Diego on Saturday, and has a .295 career average in 528 games. Johnson, 31, was released by Toronto on Saturday and is a .298 career hitter.
interesting the both EPat and Hoffpauir are in the lineup when Lou has said he wanted to get all his veterans more at bats. Showcase time outweighs veteran hitting in the game of rock, paper, showcase, veteran hitting and scissors.

I'll continue to prefer Johnson between the two but I suppose a switch-hitter like DaVanon wouldn't be disaster. Johnson I think has the higher upside at this time than DaVanon. With Johnson, I think it's safe to assume 2006 was an aberration but hopefully 2007 was as well.

Johnson had back surgery for a herniated disc last year, and may not be 100% yet.

The current link up at THT on Reed Johnsons says "Jays Cut Johnson, Other Teams' Bloggers Drool."

Reed Johnson did have back surgery last April.

 Here's a link to the Bluejays site

The Reed Johnson before a bad back was a very useful player but it appears this is not the same player. 

 Toronto also announced that Johnson elected to have surgery to repair a herniated disc in his lower back -- an operation that will sideline the left fielder until at least July, but possibly longer. Dr. Thomas Tolli, a spine specialist, will perform Johnson's surgery on Tuesday in St. Petersburg, Fla.The Blue Jays placed Johnson on the 15-day disabled list last week after the outfielder complained of pain in his lower back. An MRI exam revealed the problem stemmed from a herniated disc. It's a similar issue to one Johnson dealt with during Spring Training, when he sat out for more than two weeks.During the spring, Johnson indicated that he felt the most discomfort when running out of the batter's box. That issue also led to mild pain in his right oblique muscle. After resting the injury, Johnson was able to make his first spring appearance in a game on March 8.The 30-year-old outfielder then played in seven games this season, posting a .265 average with one home run and seven RBIs before the back pain flared up again. With Johnson on the DL, Toronto lost its everyday left fielder and leadoff hitter."Reed's our spark plug," Toronto manager John Gibbons said on Friday. "He's our leadoff guy. He makes things happen. When he's rolling, we're good. He's one of the better outfielders in baseball. Naturally, no matter who you put out there, you're going to have a drop off."Johnson led the Blue Jays with a career-best .319 batting average last season and ranked first among American League leadoff hitters with a .390 on-base percentage. He also set career highs in home runs (12), doubles (34), runs (86), hits (147) and walks (33). Johnson was also hit by 21 pitches to lead the Majors.

Submitted by Paul Noce on Sun, 03/23/2008 - 2:10pm.

I have a question, probably for Ariz Phil, but if anyone knows the answer, great.

I know a player on a one year contract gets a prorated portion of the contract if they are released before a given date. I think once the season begins they get the entire contract once they are released.

But my question is, what about multiyear contracts. For example, ARod. He's signed for something like $275 million over 900 years. If a team wanted to cut a player with a long term deal, is only the first season pro-rated if they are cut before the season begins, and the additional years are all guaranteed?

I'm just curious because the NFL draft is coming up and free agency has me looking at salary cap figures, and also thinking about which sports have 100% guaranteed contracts.


PAUL N: For players signed to "Major League" contracts (40-man roster players), auto-renewal players and players who receive one-year contracts through the salary arbitration process are the only ones with "non-guaranteed" contracts.

If a player signed to a non-guaranteed Major League contract was released (this season) by Friday March 14th, the club would only have had to pay the player 30 days salary (which is 1/6 of his 2008 salary), and if such a player is releaseed by Friday March 28th, his club has to pay the player only 45 days salary (1/4 of his 2008 salary).

However, if a player signed to a guaranteed Major League contract is released prior to the expiration of the contract, the player's original club is on the hook for 100% of the contract, minus the prorated MLB minimum salary ($390K in 2008, and $400K starting in 2009) each season until the original contract runs out (that's if the player signs a Major League contract with another club).

Also, if a player with at least three years of MLB service time is placed on Outright Assignment Waivers and clears the waivers without being claimed and then his club tries to outright him to the minors, the player can either accept the outright assignment (which never happens), or refuse the outright assignment and elect to remain on his club's 25-man roster, or refuse the outright assignment and become a FA (and then his former club is on the hook for the entire balance of the contract, minus the prorated portion of the MLB minimum salary if he signs a Major League contract with another club, just as would happen if the player was given his outright release).

One other thing. If a players is placed on Outright Release Waivers (as happened with Reed Johnson, for example), the player can be claimed by another club for $1 (that's right, a single dollar bill), but then the claiming club assumes 100% of the player's contract.

However, the player has the option to refuse a claim off Outright Release Waivers and can become a FA instead. That's why even though it only costs a club $1 to make the claim you never see clubs claim players off Release Waivers. Interested clubs just wait until the player clears Release Waivers, and then any of the other MLB clubs are free to sign the released player for the MLB minimum salary, and the player's former club is responsible for whatever is left to be paid from the original contract.

A released player is also free to negotiate a new contract for an amount above and beyond what was on his previous contract with his former club, but his previous club still must pay whatever salary or salaries were left on the player's contract at the time he was released, and then the new club just pays the difference (but that's only if the player signs for an amount above the amount remaining on his previous contract).


The Denver Post reported this morning that the Cubs have "clearly soured" on Pie.

Have you seen any indication of this?

SEAMHEAD: Nope. I don't see any indication of that.

Pie looks like the Cubs starting (or at least platoon) CF to me. He plays terrific defense and he hits right-handed pitching very well. He just needs to work on his approach versus LHP (where he is sometimes clearly overmatched), and on reading pitchers's moves when he is on 1st base.

The Cubs do need a right-handed hitting CF who can play CF versus LHP until Pie can develop the ability to hit lefties. I understand Pie has to hit against lefties in order to improve, but the Cubs probably can't afford to have him hit .150 versus LHP in 2008 if they fancy themselves as a contender.

Pie will just have to learn to hit lefties when he gets occasional opportunities to do so in the big leagues, and then really work on it next off-season in Winter Ball. Then maybe he can be the "everyday" CF for the Cubs in 2009.


The only thing that worries me about that approach, is that Pie will be labeled a platoon player his entire career.

I'd expect a similar deal between the Cubs/Twins regarding Tim Lahey shortly. The Cubs are due a ptbnl for Craig Monroe.

Bowden did make one move yesterday, however: He swung a deal with the Minnesota Twins to keep outfielder Garrett Guzman, a Rule 5 pick, in the Nationals' system.

Washington will give the Twins a player to be named or cash by July 15. Had the Nationals not kept Guzman on their 25-man roster for the entire season, he would have been transferred back to Minnesota. Instead, he will start the year with Class AAA Columbus.

Well, I was shocked to find out Glendon Rusch's spring line:

In ten innings - 0.87 era, 5 hits

Re Pie:

The Dodgers used to start their most promising starting pitchers in the bullpen as rookies in order to ease them into the big leagues, but no one got labeled a "reliever".

Pie is only 23 years old, and if the Cubs put some training wheels on him for his rookie season, no one is going to care (unless they stay on for his whole career).

I agree on this. If the cubs truly think that Pie has star potential going forward. Then it makes total sense that they put him in the best postion to succeed. Allowing him to be demoralized facing the Johan Santana's of the world doesnt seem to be beneficial for Pie, or the cubs.

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  • soler + hammel for mike trout is pretty much a sure thing. *nods*

    crunch 1 hour 45 min ago view
  • Not an inspired outing by Rondon. Seemingly got ahead of every hitter but had no swing and miss pitch today, slider had no bite.

    Somebody give Soler some smelling salts - yeesh

    Eric S 1 hour 46 min ago view
  • that runner scores on a single...

    The E-Man 1 hour 58 min ago view
  • So where do you think Soler will be traded to this off season?

    jacos 1 hour 59 min ago view
  • And right on cue he throws to third with no chance to get runner on 2nd so the batter takes 2nd easily. How long has he been playing baseball??

    The E-Man 1 hour 59 min ago view
  • Man you cannot put Soler out there late in games for Playoffs. Yuch...

    The E-Man 2 hours 7 min ago view
  • Such is the life of a fatted calf...

    JoePepitone 2 hours 21 min ago view
  • fowler with a triple in the 4th...he's a HR away from a "natural" cycle

    crunch 2 hours 53 min ago view
  • ...and contreras takes one off the hand and he's in obvious pain. sigh.

    he's staying in the game, though he's wringing his hand out during breaks in the action. aside from that he seems to have no issue giving signs or tossing back to the pitcher.

    ...and he's batting in the cubs half of the following inning. sweet.

    crunch 2 hours 57 min ago view
  • his collapse started on august 21st this it's a slight improvement.

    but wow, what a collapse since then...only 2 out of 7 can be considered good/decent.

    crunch 3 hours 9 min ago view
  • I'm really going to enjoy watching Hammel watch the playoffs.

    Jackstraw 3 hours 28 min ago view
  • The always combustible Jason Hammel

    jacos 3 hours 48 min ago view
  • Hammel :(

    Charlie 3 hours 50 min ago view
  • That was fun.

    Charlie 6 hours 49 min ago view
  • "home field advantage through the playoffs?"

    Except for the away games.

    VirginiaPhil 7 hours 2 min ago view
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