Game 16 Thread / Pirates @ Cubs (1 of 3)

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SP Ian Snell SP *Rich Hill

2-0, 3.93, 15 K, 4 BB
0-2, 5.00 7 K, 7 BB

CF *Nate McClouth 2B *Eric Patterson
SS Luis Rivas SS Ryan Theriot
2B Freddy Sanchez 1B Derrek Lee
LF Jason Bay 3B Aramis Ramirez
RF Xavier Nady RF *Kosuke Fukudome
1B *Adam LaRoche LF Mark DeRosa
C Ronny Paulino C Geovany Soto
3B Jose Bautista CF Reed Johnson
Ian Snell P *Rich Hill












Ian Snell goes for the Pirates and the early returns suggest this might be the year that he figures it all out. Cubs fans hope that today is the day that Rich Hill figures out where the strike zone is. The sequel to Patterson leading off for the Cubs starts today as well, hope it's better than the original.

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E-Pat at the top is interesting, maybe Lou's early love for Fontenot is receding, or maybe that 0 for 5 yesterday had something to do with it.

Let's see how E-Pat plays 2nd

Ugh. Vendors selling racist Fukudome shirts.

I don't get hung up on PC stuff, but this is just stupid and embarrassing. Who would buy that?!

love the quote by the vendor along the lines of what the fuck do I care, I'm making money.

I'm Asian and it doesn't bother me. The movie "White men can't jump", now that's racist :)

OMG... now THATs funny. Did you notice the eyes on the cubby bear? lmao

don't worry, one call to the Al-signal and it's been taken care of...

BCB: Making life safer for Cubs fans everywhere

Didn't read the article ... was that quote by Sam Zell?

PESKY REDHEAD UPDATE: Hitless w/ two more walks last night; 13 singles & 10 bb's in 13 games - still extra baseless...

Hey Mike,

Any estimate on how many of Murton's hits came on ground balls?

The Cubs offense is looking to give Rich Hill their second run of support today. It's really painful seeing that this team still can't figure out how to score without either hitting a homerun or getting gifted runs on walks and errors.

This game appears to be going down hill real fast.

I just cried for Felix Pie.

Man, I can't imagine how tuff this must be on him. EPat gets to lead off, but Felix can't get an AB or start to save his life. To quote Ron Santo, "GEEEEEEEZZZZZZZ!"

I'll be the first to admit Pie's looked lost out there, but there's still only one way to ever get out of a slump: more ABs (not fat girls, sorry!).

Can the Cubs really justify not sending him down so they can use his defense every now and again in the late innings?!? Couldn't Sam Fuld give us that while Felix works on his swing in AAA?

Just guessing here, but maybe it's because Pie can't hit big league pitching?

This isn't time to experiment and grow Pie, this is the big show. These games count.

Send him back down and tell him to fix that stupid swing of his and don't come back until it's fixed. I don't care if he's hitting .380 and on pace to hit 70 Iowa home runs. In Chicago, in the National League, he's going to have to hit for contact and use his speed.

maybe it's time to end the epat experiment too. The statistical sample at lead off is about the same as Pie's now.

I was on on the "Pie Needs At Bats Bandwagon" last week .... okay I was a little more wildly agressive than Chicago Jamie.

To be fair:
Johnson has had a good couple of games with the bat - yes he is hitting .375. Johnson also had a great running catch this afternoon.

If Pie is/was not going to be the Cub centerfielder this year - TWO mistakes were made:
- not trading him in Spring Training for Roberts (assuming that deal was there) and
- giving him less than a week of games to prove or disprove himself.

I understand that Lou is in the business of winning and not development, but without player development how do we win?

EPat is doing an excellent job replacing Soriano's strikeouts.

Lets see... EPat's line:

.000/.000/.000 4 Ab, 3 K

Pretty sure Murton could do better than that.

I couldn't agree more, Ryno, but it was also my point. I know he can't hit MLB pitching right now, but is he gonna learn from sitting on the bench? No. So why the hell is he even on our MLB team?!? To be a late-inning defensive replacement?!? Stoopid, if you ask me.

Call Fuld up if that's what they're doing, instead of letting one of our more promising young players rot away and sulk on the bench...

I think all you need to know about why Pie is not playing was spelled out in yesterday's Suntimes.

''We're working with him on shortening up his swing,'' Piniella said after reversing course. ''And we're going to work with him for a few days until he feels nice and comfortable.''

and more importantly:

"Pie still hasn't developed that keen eye. The Cubs have told him to swing only at pitches in the middle of the strike zone and down. Sounds simple enough.

Then Pie sees a chin-high fastball and swings for the fences.

It has become unsettling to watch.",CST-S...

Where were these guys (on the Cubs) when teams were willing to give mint players for Pie? Of course it's unsettling to watch him struggle. He gets three at bats every two weeks or so. Most players would suck given those kinds of practice rounds. These are spurious arguments at best.

I don't think the point is that he sucked, I think the point is that he did not do what they asked him to do.

Is Hill hurt? Why was he pulled after 5 innings and only 82 pitches?

hopefully lou is just being super cautious. But I'm not watching the game.

he also pitched poorly most of the game, he was behind virtually every hitter...or at least is seemed like that. Actually was getting his curve over most of the time, but had all kinds of problems with his fastball.

Luckily it was the Pirates...

Pat guesses it is just about getting Hill a win.

Wow -- Lou going right/lefty in the 6th inning.

He must really want to get Hill a win.

Must say -- I like the move. Hill can leave the game with confidence, and begin his gradual recovery to 2007 form.

Yeah, probably a confidence thing, letting him end his start on a good note. Hopefully it'll carry over to his next game.

I think they pulled him just to keep his confidence high. He pitched well and can get a win. A bad 6th inning and his confidence is shot again. I think it was a good move . . . and a good beginning to getting out of his rut.

Given the way the club handled Hill in the past, Lou and Co. deserve the benefit of the doubt on this one. At any rate, we desperately need Hill to be back to his old form, since Lilly's all over the place so far.

Has EPat looked as bad at the plate as the results?

Mmm... bottom feeding...


Any one worried Marmol may be shot by August?

Marmol had some trouble, but he battled to stay in there at the end of the 8th (40 pitches). Then Woody comes in and quickly closes it out. Yea, team.

Wow -- Marmol 2IP, 5 K's.

I hope Lou rests him tomorrow.

So far, the Wood as closer experiment has been acceptable.

I'll only be worried if he keeps having outings like this one - working two innings with lots of pitches.

Over under on Marmol's IP this year....... 90


wood had A stuff today.
6 pitches, save.

"Over under on Marmol's IP this year....... 90"

Under - I hope. Has Lou lost confidence in Howry, at least until his velocity comes back?

Problem is -- Howry and Weurtz are on shaky ground, which only leave Marmol and Wood in clsoe games for now.

Daryl Ward now 0-for-11 in 2008 --- remember when he was hitting .600 in Spring Training? He will hit -- hopefully, soon.

Lets give Ward another game out in rightfield........

10% of 2008 in the books-
cubs 10-6, nice.

too bad they can't play the astros, pirates, and reds all summer.

nice suprises so far:
reed johnson
mostly good health

not so nice so far:

passable so far:
2b- derosa now muscles up as the lf, ha!

will the real rich hill please stand up?
will the real bob howry please stand up?
will the future compact-swinging felix pie please show up?

so far, so good.
get 2 more wins and be on a roll when the big bad mutts hit town!!

That list makes little sense to me - Marmol and Z are only "passable? What on earth do they have to do to improve on their season's performances at this point? And Ramirez never hits well in the Spring, at least as far back as I remember. He's basically in line with expectations.

in line with expectations.

thanks, that's a better name for 2b-ss-z-marmol.

ramirez so far is no great help. winning (10-6) without him is nice. ditto soriano. that was by and large my point.

and it's 10% of the season. probably still falls under the "small sample size" clause. once again, consider the relative strength of the competition they've faced. let's compare notes again after 32 games. or 41 games. losing 2 of 3 to milwaukee and 2 of 3 to philly, presumably potential playoff opponents, leaves me under-whelmed.

only one man's opinion.

This was a pretty good game, as many have said it was lucky we were playing the Pirates, Hill didn't look very good but the numbers in the end were ok. Using Marmol for 2 innings was interesting, goes to show that Lou either has no confidence in Howry, or he was unavailable for some reason. EriK Patterson didn't look so good, I wonder if the callup of Murton was half way planned due to facing the 2 left handers Sat and Sunday.

Murton will play LF against the Pirate's two lefties w/DeRosa back at second and Fontenot on the bench.

Johnson playing center and leading off.

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  • Thanks for the updates Phil. Too bad about Frazier.

    Hagsag 3 hours 3 min ago view
  • The Cubs have released RHRP Scott Frazier (2013 7th round dfraft pick - Pepperdine).

    A Cubs pitching coach told me in Spring Training 2014 that he thought Frazier had the best pure stuff in the organization. Absolutely electric fastball & breaking ball combo. Other pitchers would gather behind the screen just to watch him throw "live" BP. That's how amazing he was. 

    Arizona Phil 8 hours 11 min ago view
  • Got a chance to see Diamondbacks RHSP Zack Greinke (15-day DL - strained oblique) throw a rehab start at Sloan Park Friday night. Four of the first seven AZL Cubs hitters singled and the Cubs did score an unearned run in the bottom of the 1st inning, but then Greinke got serious and struck out five in a row.

    ZACK GREINKE: 3.0 IP, 4 H, 1 R (0 ER), 0 BB, 5 K, 4/0 GO/AO, 49 pitches (34 strikes)

    Arizona Phil 8 hours 25 min ago view
  • Eloy Jimenez grand slam tonight. Hoping Soler power returns and gets hot but future looks bright in the outfield regardless.

    Eric S 12 hours 36 min ago view
  • Have fun - It may be good for Arrieta to be facing a team that doesn't know him as well as the NL teams. A nice shutout would do wonders for his confidence. He is confident in public but baseball is hard and he could use a boost, I'm sure.

    Old and Blue 13 hours 17 min ago view
  • Me too. I'll be at the game tomorrow and would love to see Good Arrieta.

    Brick 13 hours 42 min ago view
  • Last few games have been the April version of the Cubs that disappeared completely the past two months.
    Hope they can sustain it.

    blockhead25 14 hours 8 min ago view
  • Don't sell yourself short, Judge.

    Jackstraw 14 hours 35 min ago view
  • I love this team.

    Looks like Mother Nature is trying to call this fight.

    Rob Richardson 16 hours 4 min ago view
  • Hey! I remember this team!

    billybucks 16 hours 12 min ago view
  • The key for Heyward's offense: get early leads. Heard a stat on Mike & Mike on the way to work that his avg/power much better this year when the Cubs have the lead. And true to form he gets the two run dinger with Cubs winning 3-0 ...

    Eric S 17 hours 38 min ago view
  • I'm sorry - I was probably not looking at the correct line, or spot, or...who knows!

    I could blame it on the weed, but I stopped smoking many years ago.

    Fortunately, I can rely on the rest of you sober and astute folks to bring the correct info forth.

    The E-Man 18 hours 6 min ago view
  • Oh yeah! It just felt like one for some reason.

    Old and Blue 19 hours 12 min ago view
  • Agreed. I was not including Fowler or Heyward.

    I'm just not a fan of 2016 Coghlan.....

    Dusty Baylor 19 hours 18 min ago view
  • @Dusty Contreras if it's a Lester or Arrieta start. TLS is good PH too. You also forgot about Heyward, assume Fowler is CF.

    chitownmvp01 19 hours 20 min ago view
  • I expect Soler to get optioned as well when activated and Cahill to replace Grimm. It wouldn't surprise me if Coghlan and/or Soler is included in a trade.

    Maybe Coghlan is up to see if he can get on track before someone acquires him.

    This move could also be to assure that we have as much OF depth as possible to maximize Joe's ability to rest players in September once we've clinched.

    chitownmvp01 19 hours 22 min ago view