Game 16 Thread / Pirates @ Cubs (1 of 3)

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SP Ian Snell SP *Rich Hill

2-0, 3.93, 15 K, 4 BB
0-2, 5.00 7 K, 7 BB

CF *Nate McClouth 2B *Eric Patterson
SS Luis Rivas SS Ryan Theriot
2B Freddy Sanchez 1B Derrek Lee
LF Jason Bay 3B Aramis Ramirez
RF Xavier Nady RF *Kosuke Fukudome
1B *Adam LaRoche LF Mark DeRosa
C Ronny Paulino C Geovany Soto
3B Jose Bautista CF Reed Johnson
Ian Snell P *Rich Hill












Ian Snell goes for the Pirates and the early returns suggest this might be the year that he figures it all out. Cubs fans hope that today is the day that Rich Hill figures out where the strike zone is. The sequel to Patterson leading off for the Cubs starts today as well, hope it's better than the original.

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E-Pat at the top is interesting, maybe Lou's early love for Fontenot is receding, or maybe that 0 for 5 yesterday had something to do with it.

Let's see how E-Pat plays 2nd

Ugh. Vendors selling racist Fukudome shirts.

I don't get hung up on PC stuff, but this is just stupid and embarrassing. Who would buy that?!

love the quote by the vendor along the lines of what the fuck do I care, I'm making money.

I'm Asian and it doesn't bother me. The movie "White men can't jump", now that's racist :)

OMG... now THATs funny. Did you notice the eyes on the cubby bear? lmao

don't worry, one call to the Al-signal and it's been taken care of...

BCB: Making life safer for Cubs fans everywhere

Didn't read the article ... was that quote by Sam Zell?

PESKY REDHEAD UPDATE: Hitless w/ two more walks last night; 13 singles & 10 bb's in 13 games - still extra baseless...

Hey Mike,

Any estimate on how many of Murton's hits came on ground balls?

The Cubs offense is looking to give Rich Hill their second run of support today. It's really painful seeing that this team still can't figure out how to score without either hitting a homerun or getting gifted runs on walks and errors.

This game appears to be going down hill real fast.

I just cried for Felix Pie.

Man, I can't imagine how tuff this must be on him. EPat gets to lead off, but Felix can't get an AB or start to save his life. To quote Ron Santo, "GEEEEEEEZZZZZZZ!"

I'll be the first to admit Pie's looked lost out there, but there's still only one way to ever get out of a slump: more ABs (not fat girls, sorry!).

Can the Cubs really justify not sending him down so they can use his defense every now and again in the late innings?!? Couldn't Sam Fuld give us that while Felix works on his swing in AAA?

Just guessing here, but maybe it's because Pie can't hit big league pitching?

This isn't time to experiment and grow Pie, this is the big show. These games count.

Send him back down and tell him to fix that stupid swing of his and don't come back until it's fixed. I don't care if he's hitting .380 and on pace to hit 70 Iowa home runs. In Chicago, in the National League, he's going to have to hit for contact and use his speed.

maybe it's time to end the epat experiment too. The statistical sample at lead off is about the same as Pie's now.

I was on on the "Pie Needs At Bats Bandwagon" last week .... okay I was a little more wildly agressive than Chicago Jamie.

To be fair:
Johnson has had a good couple of games with the bat - yes he is hitting .375. Johnson also had a great running catch this afternoon.

If Pie is/was not going to be the Cub centerfielder this year - TWO mistakes were made:
- not trading him in Spring Training for Roberts (assuming that deal was there) and
- giving him less than a week of games to prove or disprove himself.

I understand that Lou is in the business of winning and not development, but without player development how do we win?

EPat is doing an excellent job replacing Soriano's strikeouts.

Lets see... EPat's line:

.000/.000/.000 4 Ab, 3 K

Pretty sure Murton could do better than that.

I couldn't agree more, Ryno, but it was also my point. I know he can't hit MLB pitching right now, but is he gonna learn from sitting on the bench? No. So why the hell is he even on our MLB team?!? To be a late-inning defensive replacement?!? Stoopid, if you ask me.

Call Fuld up if that's what they're doing, instead of letting one of our more promising young players rot away and sulk on the bench...

I think all you need to know about why Pie is not playing was spelled out in yesterday's Suntimes.

''We're working with him on shortening up his swing,'' Piniella said after reversing course. ''And we're going to work with him for a few days until he feels nice and comfortable.''

and more importantly:

"Pie still hasn't developed that keen eye. The Cubs have told him to swing only at pitches in the middle of the strike zone and down. Sounds simple enough.

Then Pie sees a chin-high fastball and swings for the fences.

It has become unsettling to watch.",CST-S...

Where were these guys (on the Cubs) when teams were willing to give mint players for Pie? Of course it's unsettling to watch him struggle. He gets three at bats every two weeks or so. Most players would suck given those kinds of practice rounds. These are spurious arguments at best.

I don't think the point is that he sucked, I think the point is that he did not do what they asked him to do.

Is Hill hurt? Why was he pulled after 5 innings and only 82 pitches?

hopefully lou is just being super cautious. But I'm not watching the game.

he also pitched poorly most of the game, he was behind virtually every hitter...or at least is seemed like that. Actually was getting his curve over most of the time, but had all kinds of problems with his fastball.

Luckily it was the Pirates...

Pat guesses it is just about getting Hill a win.

Wow -- Lou going right/lefty in the 6th inning.

He must really want to get Hill a win.

Must say -- I like the move. Hill can leave the game with confidence, and begin his gradual recovery to 2007 form.

Yeah, probably a confidence thing, letting him end his start on a good note. Hopefully it'll carry over to his next game.

I think they pulled him just to keep his confidence high. He pitched well and can get a win. A bad 6th inning and his confidence is shot again. I think it was a good move . . . and a good beginning to getting out of his rut.

Given the way the club handled Hill in the past, Lou and Co. deserve the benefit of the doubt on this one. At any rate, we desperately need Hill to be back to his old form, since Lilly's all over the place so far.

Has EPat looked as bad at the plate as the results?

Mmm... bottom feeding...


Any one worried Marmol may be shot by August?

Marmol had some trouble, but he battled to stay in there at the end of the 8th (40 pitches). Then Woody comes in and quickly closes it out. Yea, team.

Wow -- Marmol 2IP, 5 K's.

I hope Lou rests him tomorrow.

So far, the Wood as closer experiment has been acceptable.

I'll only be worried if he keeps having outings like this one - working two innings with lots of pitches.

Over under on Marmol's IP this year....... 90


wood had A stuff today.
6 pitches, save.

"Over under on Marmol's IP this year....... 90"

Under - I hope. Has Lou lost confidence in Howry, at least until his velocity comes back?

Problem is -- Howry and Weurtz are on shaky ground, which only leave Marmol and Wood in clsoe games for now.

Daryl Ward now 0-for-11 in 2008 --- remember when he was hitting .600 in Spring Training? He will hit -- hopefully, soon.

Lets give Ward another game out in rightfield........

10% of 2008 in the books-
cubs 10-6, nice.

too bad they can't play the astros, pirates, and reds all summer.

nice suprises so far:
reed johnson
mostly good health

not so nice so far:

passable so far:
2b- derosa now muscles up as the lf, ha!

will the real rich hill please stand up?
will the real bob howry please stand up?
will the future compact-swinging felix pie please show up?

so far, so good.
get 2 more wins and be on a roll when the big bad mutts hit town!!

That list makes little sense to me - Marmol and Z are only "passable? What on earth do they have to do to improve on their season's performances at this point? And Ramirez never hits well in the Spring, at least as far back as I remember. He's basically in line with expectations.

in line with expectations.

thanks, that's a better name for 2b-ss-z-marmol.

ramirez so far is no great help. winning (10-6) without him is nice. ditto soriano. that was by and large my point.

and it's 10% of the season. probably still falls under the "small sample size" clause. once again, consider the relative strength of the competition they've faced. let's compare notes again after 32 games. or 41 games. losing 2 of 3 to milwaukee and 2 of 3 to philly, presumably potential playoff opponents, leaves me under-whelmed.

only one man's opinion.

This was a pretty good game, as many have said it was lucky we were playing the Pirates, Hill didn't look very good but the numbers in the end were ok. Using Marmol for 2 innings was interesting, goes to show that Lou either has no confidence in Howry, or he was unavailable for some reason. EriK Patterson didn't look so good, I wonder if the callup of Murton was half way planned due to facing the 2 left handers Sat and Sunday.

Murton will play LF against the Pirate's two lefties w/DeRosa back at second and Fontenot on the bench.

Johnson playing center and leading off.

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  • J-Hey not finishing with an offensive onslaught.

    If Geoff Blum could be a Playoff hero, there is hope still...

    The E-Man 2 hours 25 min ago view
  • Giants scare me. I think you're wrong about Bumgarner, he would pitch on short rest for Game 2 and then full rest for Game 5. Cueto would go Game 1, then short rest in game 4. Add in some really tough outs in that lineup and I want nothing to do with them. With that rotation they can easily steal a series.

    Cards are a tough matchup. The rivalry evens out their comparable lack of talent. And like someone said, they love HRs, which is how to beat the Cubs. The upside is that I would feel really good about Lester twice against STL.

    John Beasley 3 hours 11 min ago view
  • j.buchanan with a nice start...5ip 2h 1bb 3k, 0r/er

    zobrist with 2HR and a double through 8

    heyward 0-4 :(

    crunch 15 hours 11 min ago view
  • Mark Gonzales @MDGonzales

    Soler likely to return Sunday, Maddon says

    crunch 17 hours 49 min ago view
  • Right now, I'd like to see the Mets first, Giants 2nd.

    I believe that since most of the team from last years' NLCS is on the squad this year, they will really amp their game up even more to kick their ass in payback for 2015.

    The Giants just do not have the depth in years past, and I think all things equal - and at Wrigley - they could handle them.

    I do not want to see the Cards, period. Or their fans, media, or Joe Buck.

    The E-Man 18 hours 8 min ago view
  • I don't want to play Braves in the first round. Any friggin team in the league can win 3 of 5..I hate the first round. Furthermore, I wanted to play the Marlins in 2003 and the Mets over Dodgers last year.

    With that said in reverse order:
    3. Cardinals: It will be devastating to lose in the first round, but even worse to their main rival. It is increased incentive for the Cardinals, especially after last year. Cards would have nothing to lose, Cubs have everything to lose.

    2. Giants: Rotation in the playoffs scare me a bit, but what a lousy team.

    blockhead25 18 hours 51 min ago view
  • 1. Mets--because of the losses in the rotation
    2. Giants--because they're not the team they were BUT they maybe have bullshit even-year magic?
    3. Cardinals--because rivalry and not making the playoffs hurts them more than losing in the NLDS plus getting eliminated by them in the playoffs would make for horrible sports commentary next throughout next season.

    Charlie 20 hours 34 min ago view
  • Who's asking?

    jacos 20 hours 36 min ago view
  • #TeamEntropy

    CLE/DET rained out last night already, possible rain-outs in New York (vs. Baltimore), Boston(vs. Toronto) and Philly(vs. Mets) this weekend too.

    Not only games involving playoff spots that would need to be played, but any that involve home field advantage.

    Rob G. 20 hours 45 min ago view
  • I got the first one! Second one I'm not even sure what even/odd betting is.

    johann 21 hours 32 min ago view
  • any opponent preference for NLDS?

    Mets are down to 1 great pitcher instead of 4. Syndegaard may pitch Sunday which means if Mets win the WC game, he'd be set up for Game 1. There's a chance they clinch a spot by Sunday so he'd pitch the WC and then we'd probably get Colon for Game 1. They've certainly had the hottest bats over the last week and month out of the WC options.

    Rob G. 21 hours 54 min ago view
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  • Can't teach height and thinness

    jacos 1 day 4 hours ago view
  • Hopefully Pirates don't call up A. Lincoln.

    jacos 1 day 14 hours ago view
  • j.buchanan going friday...should something like it.

    crunch 1 day 14 hours ago view
  • Wow. I didn't know they could do that.

    Nice for Willson, not so much for Addy.

    billybucks 1 day 14 hours ago view