Game 22 Thread / Cubs @ Rockies (2 of 2)

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SP Jason Marquis SP Aaron Cook
  1-0, 3.86, 11K, 7 BB
2-1, 3.12, 12 K, 8 BB
2B *Mike Fontenot CF *Scott Podsednik
SS Ryan Theriot 2B Clint Barmes
1B Derrek Lee 1B *Todd Helton
3B Aramis Ramirez LF Matt Holliday
RF *Kosuke Fukudome 3B Garrett Atkins
LF Mark DeRosa RF *Brad Hawpe
C Geovany Soto SS Troy Tulowitzki
CF *Felix Pie C Chris Iannetta
P *Jason Marquis P Aaron Cook












Pinch-hitting/pinch-running specialist Jason Marquis gets to try his hand at pitching this afternoon at Coors Field as the Cubs play the Rockies and seek their seventh consecutive win, which would match their longest streak of a year ago.

MLB Press Pass Game Note of the Day: At 15-6, the Cubs are nine games over .500, something they didn't accomplish last season until September 22nd, when they beat the Pirates to rise to 82-73.

In Marquis's one start at Coors in '07, last August, he had one of his best outings as a Cub (6 2/3 IP, 0 ER, 5 K, 0 BB). In fact, throughout his career, Marquis has been outstanding in this park (3-0, 2.49 over 21 2/3 IP with just one homer allowed).

The home team has lost four games in a row, and in each of them, the Rockies had a lead heading into the eighth inning. The last time they won was last Saturday, at Houston in a game started by Aaron Cook, who allowed the Astros just four hits over seven innings.

Cook is an impressive 2-1. 2.14 over 21 innings lifetime against the Cubs, and our non-pitchers are a cumulative 9-for-42 against him.

My favorite moment from Wednesday night's Cub win:

Not the Ramirez homer.

Not the Theriot go-ahead single in the tenth.

But the double steal in the seventh inning.

The Cubs had already scored once to draw within a run, they had two men on base and nobody out, and Aramis Ramirez was at the plate--a pretty good position to be in. But the double steal put the Cubs in a great position to tie the game and/or take the lead. The fact that Ramirez subsequently struck out and DeRosa lined into an inning-ending double play didn't even matter. It was a bold act of confidence, perfectly executed ("obviously the result of advance scouting," said Bob Brenly on the telecast), and it is great to see that the Cubs have a manager with the inclination and playing talent to go for his opponent's jugular.

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If we had just traded five or six players off our 40-man for Brian Roberts we'd probably be 21-0 now.

As Lou goes with the "Three Lefties" in the lineup.

And one can hit.

Well, he is pushing all of the right buttons so far so I'm gonna give him the benefit of the doubt here. Plus, there is less pressure in front of the road crowd. Although - I have read several accounts of the Cubs comprising 50% of the attendance at Coors.

Too bad Marquis isn't a Switch hitter - we'd bring 4 lefties to today's lineup.

Doesn't Marquis bat left-handed?

that "free murton" crusade sure has ended early for a guy with only 1 start since his callup.

woo...real bench depth. past couple years have been great about that.

that "free murton" crusade sure has ended early for a guy with only 1 start since his callup.

Yea, watching a guy drive every single batted ball straight into the ground will do that.

i'm just glad the team has the luxury of not playing murton AND having replacement level players worth a damn with the main starter out.

that's a luxury the past couple years that may have "only" cost 4-6m more in bench costs, but has definitely come in handy.

This would have been the day to give A-Ram or DeRosa a day off and play Murton. Neither has a hit in their career off of Cook and after the game the team has a long, 1600 mile west-to-east flight to DC for the game tomorrow.

But I ain't gonna quibble with Lou. Dude's managed us for exactly 1% of club franchise victories and he only needs 14 wins to pass Gene Michael on the All-Time Franchise Wins as Manager list. Can't blame the guy for pressing.

Apparently, Lou asked both Lee and Aram if either of them wanted a day off because they'll both be playing all three in DC since the Cubs are facing 3 LHP. Lee & Aram declined the chance for the day off.

yeah, no self-respecting hitter would take a day off at Coors.

Fuentes may have uncovered a weakspot in Fukudome's swing. 3 identical pitches, 3 whiffs

Side-arm lefty slider on the outside corner -- not too many guys throw that.

Bummer: Theriot line-out into a bases-loaded DP with the score tied in the top of the 8th, then his error gives up an unearned run in the bottom of the 8th.

What a difference a day makes.

Just reading the Yahoo play-by-play -- was Theriot's error on a DP ball? If so, even more painful...

At least the Brewers lost...

Yes, the error was on a DP.....but the thing is, the baserunner on his way to 2nd knew he was going to be out, so he slid way out of his way to take Theriot's legs fact he was so far from the base that after he saw Theriot drop the ball, he could barely reach the bag with his hand.

Pretty dang cheap.

You can see the replay video of that play here:

The game would've remained tied if it wasn't for that.

I might add, Theriot could've played it better, but the cheapness of the slide still ticks me off regardless :)

That's not cheap. That's good baseball.

You learn to do that in little league.

Yeah, I served my time in Little League, and it may be legal, but still cheap IMO.

Saw the replay last night -- Theriot just dropped the ball.

Self-reply -- I see this has already been covered below.

I don't think it was cheap or dirty, but he made no effort to get to the bag until after he took out The Riot. Interpretively, the ump could've called interference. It's not called very often, of course, but...

I think if the slide had caused the drop, or a bad thorw -- maybe. But, Theriot dropped the ball before the runner slid into him. Just a human error on a rushed play.

Yeah, it was a DP play ball - they could've turned two quite easily. Oh well.....

Losing sucks. I'm not used to it this year yet.

I don't think it was cheap at all - but if you're looking for a comparison, take a look at the DP ball last year vs. Atlanta, where Renteria slid into Fontenot and sucker - punched him at the same time.

That play was both dirty and cheap, and Renteria knew it, since he suddenly was taken out of the game with a mysterious injury. He never saw the Cubs again that year, he was lucky.

I'll come right out and say it:

Ryan Theriot lost that game for the Cubs.

I am not kidding when I say:

He shouldn't have swung the bat. Not once. Not with the best hitter on the team right behind you. Just like Brenly says, if you think you're going to hit into a double play, strike out.

I was screaming for the suicide squeeze. Screaming. But Lou didn't hear.

Go on and tell me about the fluky play and how he hit it well, just at Todd Helton and I'll tell you he didn't have shit on that ball and was way late on a tired fast ball. FU Ryan Theriot you F'ing suck.

wow, that was over the top....

if he was a split second earlier and lined it to the third basemen it would have been okay? Gameday says the fastball was at 92 fwiw, same as Cook was throwing in the first inning.

the defensive botch was the big fuck up... 



92 is not that fast at the major league level. He was overmatched. And he wasn't going to get around on it. I hate that guy.

point being it wasn't a tired fastball, it's what Cook normally throws. And sinking fastballs at 92, which is what Cook throws (and Z) is really good.

Your just bitching about it because it was Theriot.

I was screaming too, but Lou wanted the win, not the tie.

No, 1 out tie game already. Pie on third.

I wanted Fonty to suicide also but he at least got the run home.

Chad -
But how do you really feel?

if you check out the [email protected] game you'll see one.

not the players...the fans...the "feel" of the place.

they're playing in disney world and wow...i think ive seen "the wave" about 20 times (literally)...tons of people on cell phones waving at the camera...general discussion between people in large numbers compared to people watching the game...and cheering/screaming at *EVERYTHING*.

very minor league feel to this game. almost creepy.

got to give it up to this casual audience.

also kinda like a minor league game, but nonetheless cool and not seen as much as MLB games, ive seen 2 adult fans who have caught a homer/foul only to give the ball to a kid.

if 2 have made it on camera there's probably a lot more that didn't.


make that 3...little girl just got a freebie from a guy who got a ball deflected off overbay's glove.

I didn't think the slide into Theriot was cheap nor was he that far off the bag. He was just hurrying because the ball had been hit slowly to Cedeno and he never really caught it. Bonehead play due to lack of concentration. The slide didn't help but he had already dropped the ball by the time he fell over the runner.

Yes, I did over-react with my earlier comments about the slide being cheap. I was just dissappointed to see the losing streak come to an end, and I needed someone to blame it on besides the Cubs themselves :D

" I was just dissappointed to see the losing streak come to an end"



No, just a typo :)

Do we think Pie's recent success is due to a change in approach, nature talent or just that he was bound to get a some hits.

Yeah, I'm not saying The Riot dropped it because of the slide. No excuses there.

But the slide was pretty blatant. IMHO; if he had stuck his left arm out toward the bag while doing it, it wouldn't even be worth discussing. I think Pierzynski was called for interference on a slide like that last year or the year before. It's rare.

Felix is 5 for his last 10!

Unfortunatley, we have seen most young Cub players that come up don't hit if they don't play regularly -- Murton and Fontenot in particular -- which should not be a surprise. How can you adjust to MLB pitching if you rarely see it?

Alas -- the Nats are starting a trio of lefties, so Felix heads back to the bench.

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  • video of Maddon.

    always nice that he actually tries to honestly answer questions. Does mention that he wanted to give Zastr? a chance in a meaningful spot rather than a mop-up role.

    Rob G. 2 hours 35 min ago view
  • from Muskat:

    #Cubs Maddon: "I'm not going to make up an excuse for why I did what I did. It has nothing to do with lack of confidence" ... "It was the right thing to do today based on what I saw, what their lineup looked like and Rob Z.'s availability." #Cubs

    Rob G. 2 hours 40 min ago view

    Hammel not particularly understanding of getting pulled he should. Be curious what Maddon had to say. All I can think of is is keeping arms fresh and maybe wanting to see if Zastr? is worth considering for the playoffs and how he'd do against the Dodgers.

    Rob G. 2 hours 45 min ago view
  • great defense

    Heyward, Russell, Baez, Bryant, Ross in particular...although Bryant's a bit hard to judge with all the positions.

    Fowler and Rizzo in the top half of the NL for their positions as well (per fangraphs)...Zobrist right at the halfway cutoff for 2b in the NL.

    I'm sure some luck is involved too, but the Cubs and Maddon knew what they were doing.

    Rob G. 2 hours 57 min ago view
  • If all the starters have FIP > ERA, is that luck or good defense?

    Craig A. 3 hours 8 min ago view
  • #Cubs plummet to 19-5 in August.

    Fun with FIP

    • J. Hammel   3.07 ERA/4.27 FIP (3.68 FIP last year)
    • J. Arrieta     2.62 ERA/3.05 FIP (2.35 FIP last year)
    • J. Lester     2.81 ERA/3.67 FIP (2.92 FIP last year)
    • K. Hendricks  2.19 ERA/3.37 FIP (3.36 FIP last year)
    • J. Lackey     3.41 ERA/3.72 FIP (3.57 FIP last year with Cards)
    Rob G. 3 hours 34 min ago view
  • zastyryzryzryzny put in 3.2ip 1h 0bb 3k

    he's great when his control is "on"...problem is it's rarely "on" consistently. he could vault up the cubs prospect list if he ever gets better with that aspect of his game.

    crunch 4 hours 14 min ago view
  • JD's take was just trying to get in a lefty to better deal with mostly lefty Dodgers lineup.

    My second thought was what you came up with. My first thought was he was trying to light a fire under Hammel.

    Jackstraw 5 hours 26 min ago view
  • Maybe he was trying to spare him another brutal road start? NY, Colorado...

    billybucks 5 hours 43 min ago view
  • joe got a pitcher up for hammel at nearly the 1st sign of trouble in the 3rd...pulled after 2.1

    not injured and though it wasn't his day so far he wasn't looking like a pure disaster.

    really short leash on him. zastryznzryzryny in.

    crunch 5 hours 47 min ago view
  • Russell and Soler can attest that Urias has a pretty good curve/slider - two big strikeouts looking to get out of that jam in the first.

    Eric S 6 hours 32 min ago view
  • Classic Scully - great stuff.

    Thank God we'll still have Hawk next season. (cricket cricket cricket)

    Eric S 11 hours 23 min ago view
  • Here's Scully's call on Bryant's 10th-inning homer:

    "And it's a long fly ball, a mean fly ball, and a gone fly ball."

    VirginiaPhil 12 hours 36 min ago view
  • When the Cubs were the old, hundred-year Cubs, one bad hop did not undo their opponents.

    VirginiaPhil 12 hours 40 min ago view
  • If only he was clutcher. More clutcher.

    Jackstraw 13 hours 58 min ago view
  • cubs win...bryant with 7HR in his last 8 games.

    crunch 21 hours 11 min ago view