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NL Central Smackdown : Catchers

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Before we head to the outfield, we take on the field generals. A difficult position to evaluate with the numbers just because there's just no great way to numerically measure a catcher's defense, leadership and ability to work with his pitching staff...but we'll do our best. I did want to note, I'll keep going with these through the weekend just so we can finish this up by early next week. If you take the weekends off from TCR, be sure to check back Monday and vote on the polls you missed.

The backstops after the jump...

Player 3-Year Warp-3 Average
3 Year Warp-3 Projection
Rob's Ranking
Geovany Soto
N/A 4.5 2
Jason Kendall 3.47 1.1 4
Yadier Molina 4.33 3.03 1
JR Towles N/A 3.67 3
David Ross 3.13 1.63 6
Javier Valentin 2.25 0.87 6
Paul Bako 0.27 0.55 6
Ronny Paulino 4.4 (2 years) 2.87 5
Ryan Doumit 3.1 (2 years) 1.57 5


 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The Justification: Have I mentioned that I did these before the season started? I'll admit I was a bit skeptical on our boy Soto to start the year and that Yadier Molina entering his age 25 season with decent walk to strikeout totals for his career (138 K:104 BB) might be ready to break out for a few decent seasons with the bat to compliment his exceptional defensive skills. That still might be the case, but Soto has clearly shown he belongs in the majors and ready to take the top spot in the division. Fellow rookie catcher JR Towles hasn't started off quite as well (197/338/443), but it looks like he has a bright future as well. Kendall gets knocked by the Baseball Prospectus projections, but he can still get on-base and is chock full of veteran savvy. The Pirates seem to still be deciding between Ronny Paulino and Ryan Doumit, and although the projections favor Paulino (mostly due to playing time), Doumit's making a case with his bat (159 OPS+ at the moment). Whichever Reds catcher stakes the claim for the most playing time will end comfortably on the bottom of these rankings.

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#1 Re: NL Central Smackdown : Catchers

Maybe I am biased, but I think Kendall should be fifth, maybe 6th. He can't block a pitch or throw anyone out, and offensively all he gives you is singles (and last year, he didn't even give Oakland that). Yeah, he is a veteran presence, but isn't that what coaches are for?

Alot also depends on the the answer to: Can Soto maintain anywhere close to his current pace? While I think a 1000+OPS is probably not sustainable, anything over .800 and he should have the top spot on his list.

#3 Re: NL Central Smackdown : Catchers

You might be right. We had first-hand experience with Kendall and, Imo, he added very little value to the team. With the Brewers and their young pitching staff he might have a bit more value.

#2 Re: NL Central Smackdown : Catchers

I voted:

Barrett, Molina, Soto, Doumit/Paulino (Mainly Doumit), Kendall, Towles, Reds

What a crappy position for the division. I'm pretty sure Soto on down ranks last in any other division, although Soto has been impressive to start the year.

#4 Re: NL Central Smackdown : Catchers

I think the catcher position is just down all over right now. Mike Rabelo, Carlos Ruiz, Johnny Estrada, Brian Schneider, Yorvit Torrealba, Chris Snyder, Josh Bard? I don't think any of them have a career average above .255.

The NL Central doesn't have an elite catcher. But after McCann, Molina, and Martin, the rest of the league is also a big steaming pile of dung.

#6 Re: NL Central Smackdown : Catchers

A good-hitting catcher is cute, like a good-hitting pitcher, but mostly I just want a guy who can stop the damn ball, someone who will go out there and give Z a breather when he's on the verge of exploding, and someone who will at least be able to throw out Adam Dunn trying to steal a base.

#15 Re: NL Central Smackdown : Catchers

You'd really take Barrett over Soto at this point?

The division has one young established catcher who is mediocre with the bat but fantastic with the glove (Molina), two up and coming offensive catchers (Soto and Towles), one fringe prospect who at least appears to be a decent hitter (Doumit), and then scrubs in Kendall and whoever the Reds are running out there these days. It's not a great division for catchers, but if Soto performs he could be up there with Russell Martin and Brian McCann, and who else has really good catchers? It's a position that wears on the body and carries a lot of responsibility that distracts from things like batting practice.

How many other catchers would you rather have on the Cubs at this point than Soto? I'm sure you can name a few, but I think if we had to list starting Catchers in the majors, Soto would probably be in the top 10 most valuable--if we believe he's going to continue to hit.

#18 Re: NL Central Smackdown : Catchers

I'm 100% certain he was joking since he already said he values defense at the position.

#5 Re: NL Central Smackdown : Catchers

NL Central Catchers REALLY SUCK!

#7 Re: NL Central Smackdown : Catchers

Turnbow DFAed as speculated.

#9 Re: NL Central Smackdown : Catchers

last year, when he was everybody's darling in the first half, I told everyone that he sucked and would turn back into a pumpkin. Everyone said I was crazy.

Never question THE CHAD!

#10 Re: NL Central Smackdown : Catchers

Not even about THE IZTURIS?

#11 Re: NL Central Smackdown : Catchers

Even on Izturis. I was correct on the concept. No one could know the extent that his injuries would hamper his play.

#8 Forecast

doesn't look promising for tonight

#13 Re: Forecast

The field will be soaked from this afternoon, but at 6 PM the chance of rain drops to 20% and eventually to 0% a couple of hours later. So we might get the game. I'd expect a late start though if we do.

#12 Re: NL Central Smackdown : Catchers

So you're infallible. Good to know!

#14 Re: Forecast doesn't look promising tonight

Yep, all the sports books have the Cubs as underdogs

http://covers.usatoday.com/data/odds.aspx

..and it's supposed to rain, too.

#16 Not related but

the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel is reporting that Yovani Gallardo tore his ACL when he collided with Reed Johnson last night. It may have already been torn, but Yost is an idiot for leaving him in.

You hate to see players get hurt, especially good ones. Last night's loss was depressing, and Kerry Wood's struggles at closing are troubling, but neither of them may be the biggest story coming out of that game. If Gallardo is out for the year, then Suppan has to stay in the rotation and Dave Bush is back in it. The Brewers' rotation, as well as their overall pitching depth, would suddenly be even that much more suspect.

http://blogs.jsonline.com/brewers/archive/2008/05/...

#19 Re: Not related but

'Doh!!!!!!!!!

Suppan wasn't going anywhere after just one bad outing, but yeah, Bush should be back up. They just need Sheets to take his yearly trip to the DL for a few months and that should end their season.

Now we just have to stop Duncan from teaching his pitchers how to scuff baseballs and we're set. :)

#17 The Brewers will not win the division

http://blogs.jsonline.com/brewers/archive/2008/05/...

Gallardo tore his ACL on that play yesterday. I wonder if this will lead the Brewers to get Prince on a diet plan, because any other 1b (ok maybe not Howard, Delgado, or Giambi) makes that play unassisted.

#20 Re: The Brewers will not win the division

Well, Fielder did make the play unassisted. He tagged Johnson himself before he got to the bag. Gallardo just got in the way.

#21 yep he did

but with Dlee or Pujols that is a no doubter and the pitcher does not need to worry about getting to the base, incase a toss needs to be made.

#24 Re: yep he did

Pitcher has to cover on any play on that side. it had nothing to do with fielder. it was a fluke.

#23 Re: The Brewers will not win the division

It could have been worse, Fielder could have landed on him.

The fat joke never gets old!

#29 Re: The Brewers will not win the division

Ooh, ooh! Do one with donuts!

#22 Re: The Brewers will not win the division

I feel bad for the guy, but boy that does help the Cubs.

#27 Re: The Brewers will not win the division

May explain why the Cubs got to him to 2 runs in the 6th....

That sucks. He seems to be a very talented kid -- you never want to win by injury.

#37 Re: The Brewers will not win the division

Certainly poor form to root for an injury. But...since it's already happened and all, can't say I'm sad about it. That just the way it goes. Thinking of Prior and Wood. I'd be just as happy if the Cubs won the division over a team decimated by injury as much as I would if they took out a fully healthy team.

#25 Thread hijack

A story about another side of Lou Piniella. Specifically, the underside:

http://deadspin.com/385210/lou-piniellas-balls-are...

#34 Re: Thread hijack

Dear god, is that real or parody?

#44 Re: Thread hijack

Real.

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