Game 58 Thread / Cubs @ Padres (1 of 3)

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SP Carlos Zambrano SP Cha Seung Baek

7-1, 2.33, 55 K, 24 BB, 81 IP
1-1, 5.23, 18 K, 13 BB, 31 IP




LF Alfonso Soriano CF *Jody Gerut
SS Ryan Theriot 2B Tadahito Iguchi
1B Derrek Lee RF *Brian Giles
3B Aramis Ramirez 1B *Adrian Gonzalez
RF *Kosuke Fukudome 3B Kevin Kouzmanoff
CF *Jim Edmonds C Michael Barrett
2B Mark DeRosa SS Khalil Greene
C Henry Blanco LF *Paul McAnulty
P #Carlos Zambrano P Cha Seung Baek

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The Cubs try to extend their winning streak to eight as they travel out West to face the struggling San Diego Padres. As Dr. Hecht mentioned earlier, the Cubs will get emergency starter Cha Seung Baek instead of Shawn Estes, who broke his thumb tripping on the way to the dugout. You can leave the Cubs, but Cubbery follows you everywhere.

For the Cubs, it's Carlos Zambrano, fresh off a 130 pitch effort against the Dodgers last week. Lou has already mentioned that he'll likely be on a shorter leash than usual. Hopefully it's not too short, as you'd like to keep his .316 hitting bat in the lineup.

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Yay! Z vs. Barrett!

BARRETT!

Freaking 9:39 PM and I'm watching Cubs Pregame. Ugh... stupid west coast games (apologies to Rob).

what am I, chopped liver?

I once had a stripper in Vegas ask me that. I was busy ogling the hot, scantily-clothed chick who was selling test tube shooters, ignoring the somewhat less attractive naked (waist up, anyway) woman on stage right in front of me. She leaned down off the stage, touched my arm to get my attention and asked me if she was chopped liver.

I thought I was going to be thrown out when I responded, "yeah, pretty much."

I chose wisely. Whereas the stage is a do not touch zone, shooter babe sits on your lap while peddling her wares. ;)

So RobG is a shooter girl?

Oh, come ONNNNNNNNNNNNNN Soriano~~~~~!!!

Just fucking ridiculous.

comment by announcers. "did he break back on the ball?"

and then the roof falls in on Z...

Bad time for a DP Aramis....

Padre announcer complaining "Edmonds didn't hit like this when he was with us." Kind of gives me satisfaction to having to listen to the home broadcast.

edmonds is really getting the bat around quicker lately. just 2 weeks ago he looked pretty washed up. good stuff. too bad he's not the defender he once was.

hope he can keep it up at least to some form of respectable level.

well that was an adventure....marmol may have just cost himself an allstar spot.

watching the cubs keep tacking on runs and the penguins and red wings battle forever tonight was a fantastic late night of sports watching. awesome on both sides.

DEEETROIT SUCKS

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1BFfTf8MNE

"marmol may have just cost himself an allstar spot."

Good!!

He can spend the three days icing his arm.

Amen.

Those announcers are douchebags. They were looking for any possible way to criticize the Cubs...guess that's what happens when your team sucks and you're playing a good team.

Anyway, I was especially annoyed when the colorman (can't remember who does it) basically predicted Tommy Johns for Marmol. WTF? He almost sounding happy to make that prediction. Yeah, they've got a good pitcher, but his deliver will get him injured.

pretty brutal last night...were way over the top bagging on Soriano on two separate plays. The plays deserved some criticism, but they seemed confused about their place in the standings and the Cubs.

I wonder if the announcers are bitter over the number of Cub fans in attendence.

A phenomana foreign to the Cubs home games, except for against Cardinals and White Sox.

I think they enjoy their own little universe and are not use to hearing loud roars when the visiting does well.

See Marty Brennaman and his gay son Thom.

could be...the phenomenon in San Diego is quite something. Easily 50/50 crowd, I would almost guess 70/30 in favor of the Cubs at some games I've been to...

Marmol pitched for the 7th time in the last 10 days yesterday, and straddled the 8th/9th inning, to boot.

Lou keeps that up, and TJ surgery will be one of a list of procedures Marmol will need.

On the highlight, it looked as if Piniella defensive subbed for Sori in left field. Is that the case? And who played left?

I think it was a double-switch when Marmo came in in the 8th. In any event, a good thing -- not sure if Fonzie would have caught that last ball....

fyi, it was Reed. I definitely felt more confident with him running down Barrett's last ball than Sori. +1 for Lou.

Thanks guys.

Both Berkman and Chipper are prompting talks of someone hitting .400 again. I think Z definitely wants in on that. All he needs to do now is to convince Lou to get him enough AB's to qualify.

CUBSTER:

Saw this in the Sun Times:

Injured reliever Chad Fox was examined by surgeon James Andrews, who confirmed the Cubs staff's original diagnosis for the tingling and numbness in his pitching elbow: ulnar neuritis.

I believe you covered this, but what is ulnar neuritis? Will Chad Fox' arm fall off at the elbow?

According to MLB.tv Barry and Sammy never existed.

http://deadspin.com/5012214/mlbtv-ignores-the-exis...

but what is ulnar neuritis? Will Chad Fox' arm fall off at the elbow?
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His elbow not fall off, unless someone with an axe gets loose in the clubhouse.

-itis means inflammation, and the prefix neur- refers to nerve, so in Fox's case it's inflammation of the ulnar nerve.

the rest of it is covered here:

http://www.thecubreporter.com/2008/05/20/out-foxed

I like Lou's straightforward response re: Wuertz:

Piniella was also not pleased with the performance of reliever Michael Wuertz, and once again threatened to call up another relief pitcher, perhaps even by Tuesday.

“We’ve talked about 13 pitchers here in the past, and I think we’re going to have to start talking about it again,” he said. “Michael is walking people. In that type of role, you have to make the other people put the ball in play. You just can’t walk people, and most of the times he comes into ballgames, that’s exactly what happens, and it forces me to go get another pitcher.”

More at http://blogs.chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/spor...

I'm not opposed to 13 pitchers, but if Lou does that, he needs to change his approach with his bench. More often than not, we get to the 9th with 1 or no bench players left. If he's got one less bench player, he's going to have to be more judicious in using the 4 he's got.

How about Jim Edmonds? Maybe he does still have a little left in the tank.

Can't expect him to keep his .286/.324/.543 line as a Cub so far, but if he could pull off something like a .265/.330/.470 line....well I don't think I'd have too much to complain about.

Absolutely right. And don't forget Edmonds was out an entire month with a calf injury and missed most of Spring Training. He basically did his ST during the regular season, then we got him.

He's healthy(er), he's returned to his old batting stance, his bat speed is back and he's sure squaring up the ball lately.

He's finally got that good power stroke back. You're right about squaring it up. He's hit some balls REALLY hard in the last few days.

If Edmonds is going to hit, the Cubs lineup is a monster, especially during Z's starts.

BTW, does anyone else think that Z would rather have an plate appearance in the ASG than pitch an inning?

I wish Zambrano could play every day. For just one day I'd love to see him play LF.

No way on left, first base.

At the ASG, he could be DH. ;-)

Of course, so could Sori. :-S

He'd make a great defensive replacement for Soriano.

I must say that it was really good to see "Bad Z" show up last night, but only give up 3 runs. He let his emotions go a bit crazy at a couple of points, but was still able to maintain control and not freak out.

Of course, it helps that it was against the lowly Padres, but last year he would have exploded in a similar game.

Yeah, if this were last year I suppose Z would have imploded and started overthrowing everything. Maybe last year was humbling for him.

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  • I am right there with you closing in on 60.

    I don't care that much about "mortgaging" one player who is not only blocked by two guys, but is not ready to hit the majors for at least a couple years.

    There is no reason why this team, this year, can't have a real shot at something NONE of us have experienced.

    Further, I don't feel that even if they fall short that they have ruined their farm system.

    I have made my opinion clear here, with others, Warren was shit on the Cubs save one spot start.

    The E-Man 1 hour 7 min ago view
  • Trading for Warren, Warren sucking, getting Warren back for Chapman plus 3 prospects, sounds like Revenge of The Yankees on the former Boston executive. Old rivalries never die.

    I pray to the heavens above Chapman doesn't suck for some reason, or he'll be booed out of town faster than a Todd Hundley revival meeting.

    Old and Blue 1 hour 15 min ago view
  • I'm kind of nostalgic for the Schwarber-for-Miller rumors.

    Brick 1 hour 27 min ago view
  • This offseason, after some ridiculous playoff run and Chapman saving every game from here until the end of the postseason striking out 27/9innings, I welcome anyone to quote this thread and call me a dummy: I hate this trade, and my hate is 2 parts Chapman makes this team less likeable and 1 part that's a ridiculous overpay for 30 regular season innings and, at tops, 10 postseason innings. Already hoping they don't extend him.

    Charlie 1 hour 28 min ago view
  • btw...Thanks AZ Phil. I'm really enjoying your take on this trade.

    Cubster 1 hour 51 min ago view
  • I'm a bit disappointed on the Warren experience. Essentially they gave Castro away for crickets (OK, well they signed Zobrist with the Castro salary dump). Otherwise one might look at it as Chapman for Castro and our #1 minors prospect (Torres) + McKinney/Crawford. Seems pricey for a 2 month rental. We will see if this price tag is that steep in a relative way based on the remaining deadline deals for relievers.

    Cubster 1 hour 51 min ago view
  • Yep. One of the great things about this team (in addition to being really good at baseball) was the "likable" factor. Feels a bit different now. Who knows...maybe Chapman will be the king of the dance parties.

    billybucks 2 hours 25 sec ago view
  • Here are some possible corresponding minor league moves we might see in the aftermath  of the Chapman trade: 

    SOUTH BEND to MYRTLE BEACH: OF Donnie Dewees and INF Bryant Flete  

    EUGENE to SOUTH BEND: OF Robert Garcia and INF Vimael Machin 

    There is really no reason to replace Billy McKinney at Tennessee because both Chris Coghlan and Jorge Soler are doing their rehab at Tennessee.  

    And there are plenty of pitchers at Iowa. No need to replace Warren at AAA. .  

    Arizona Phil 2 hours 20 min ago view
  • I am 70 years old. The Cubs last played in the World Series in 1945. I was born in 1946. I hate to lose a prospect like Torres, but when the opportunity is there to get that World Series ring, you go for it. This was the idea in stock piling all this young talent. I would like to see Reddick added now and the Cubbies should be done.

    Hagsag 2 hours 51 min ago view
  • I would expect Richard to accept an optional assignment because based on how he's played this season, there is a decent chance that he won't find work elsewhere. Rather stay and potentially get a ring. Same goes for Coghlan since he's struggled mightily this year.

    Edwards should not go down. He's pitched very well and Maddon is very impressed with him. I would expect Grimm to go down for Cahill so he can get back on track (he's pitched better in July, but he's not getting enough appearances).

    chitownmvp01 2 hours 54 min ago view
  • chitownmvp01: Indeed Clayton Richard would seem to be odd man out once Chapman reports, but Richard might accept a minor league assignment if he is promised a return to Chicago on 9/1 when MLB Active List rosters expand (Richard has minor league ioptions left).

    Arizona Phil 2 hours 57 min ago view
  • The only player in the deal that would cause me a second thought is Gleyber Torres.

    McKinney and Crawford are decent prospects but both are redundant/replaceable in the system and Warren was really only a middle-reliever or #6 starter, so to me it's really just Torres for Chapman.

    Arizona Phil 3 hours 18 min ago view
  • There is no Comp pick for players traded mid-season. 2+ months of Chapman is it.

    mbauer 3 hours 20 min ago view
  • to get one of the best you have to give up one/some of your best...but it's a bit painful to watch the system's best prospect walk for any 2-3 month rental, especially one that's not an everyday player.

    crunch 3 hours 22 min ago view
  • I assume Chapman will replace Richard on the roster, but who goes down when Cahill gets activated? Maybe Grimm?

    And when Soler and Coghlan get healthy, how do they fit them on the roster when they're ready to be activated?

    chitownmvp01 3 hours 25 min ago view
  • We are giving up a lot, but it's not like we're trading Addison Russell for 2+ months of Jason Hammel. When impact players become available, they are going to cost you. The other bids could also have been high.

    Having Chapman as a rental is potentially less disruptive than having him come in with an extension in place. 

    CTSteve 3 hours 27 min ago view