Game 72 Thread / Cubs @ Rays (2 of 3)

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SP Carlos Zambrano SP Andy Sonnastine
  8-2, 2.98, 66 K, 32 BB, 99.2 IP
7-3, 4.89, 54 K, 14 BB, 84.2 IP
       
RF *Kosuke Fukudome 2B *Akinori Iwamura
SS Ryan Theriot LF *Carl Crawford
1B Derrek Lee CF BJ Upton
3B Aramis Ramirez RF *Eric Hinske
CF *Jim Edmonds 3B Evan Longoria
C Geovany Soto DH *Cliff Floyd
LF Mark DeRosa 1B #Willy Aybar
DH *Micah Hoffpauir C #Dionar Navarro
2B Ronny Cedeno SS Jason Bartlett

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Wow, this is sickening.

it would appear as though Z has decided to join Brandon Webb on the All Dead-arm Team. Few too many 89-91 mph fastballs belt high and out over the plate.

Yeah, he hasn't been himself since that 130-pitch outing.

Why was Edmonds removed?

Edit: This is from Yahoo's box score:

CHICAGO OUTFIELDER JIM EDMONDS LEFT THE GAME IN THE BOTTOM OF THE FOURTH INNING WITH AN UNDISCLOSED INJURY.

left foot soreness (Edmonds), probably related to playing on artificial turf

Johnson out, Edmonds out..... will make for a short bench over the next few days.

"Yeah, he hasn't been himself since that 130-pitch outing."

Nah, pitch counts don't matter - just ask one commenter here, he'll tell you all about it.

Yeah.. something like that.

Oh Fuck

potential Z shoulder injury...fwiw...

potential Z shoulder injury...fwiw...

I guess that was the reason for Indiana's "Oh fuck"?

Any details Crunch?

Edit: Details from Rotoworld:

Catcher Geovany Soto saw something following Zambrano's last delivery and called out the trainer. Zambrano wanted to stay in, but the decision was made to take him out. Once he was in the dugout, he reached for his shoulder, suggesting that's what the problem was. He allowed five runs -- four earned -- in 6 2/3 innings before departing.

"right shoulder discomfort"

aka...we know something's not right, but we have no idea right now.

Cubster! We need a detailed medical prognosis on "discomfort", along with common remedies and duration of recovery time.

......go.

So now the injury bug comes to the Cubs for real.

We'll see if this team is for real now, as we could potentially be without Z for a bit here. Let's hope its not surgery.

It looked to me that Z screwed up his last delivery, this could just be as simple as soreness from the shoulder being out of allignment on the pitch and could go away with some Advil. The fact that he did not appear in serious pain should be a good thing.

Bad karma in Florida -- the Marlins always seem to hand it to the Cubs down there -- including a sweep by a crappy Marlins team last September.

Z hasn't had a dominating outing in quite some time -- his K's are way, way down. Maybe Lou should stop forcing more starts for him, and let him have the extra day of rest when there is an off day.

Annnnd...the White Sox are now hammering the ball. Perfect.

The White Sox are hammering the ball against the Pirates..they didn't do much the 2 series before against the Tigers and Rockies.

At least the Cards lost again..so much AGAIN for their advantage of having to play KC 6 times a year...they seem to always give them a good fight.

Hopefully Z is ok. If not rest in general may be what he needs.

Annnnd...the White Sox are now hammering the ball. Perfect.

...against the what's-the-opposite-of-vaunted Pirates pitching staff. Not really cause for alarm IMHO. Potential Z injury problems = cause for 100 alarms all going off at once.

Cubster! We need a detailed medical prognosis on "discomfort",
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my definition of discomfort is reading everyone freak out about Z's shoulder.

take two aspirins and post again in the morning.

oh, and the Cardinals did lose 3-2 to KC for the 2nd night. So think happy thoughts.

Another contender for post of the century. When a real doc tells you to take a chill pill, it's a good idea to do so :)

Since when is an MRI the equivalent of an aspirin?:?"

Z's on a flight back to Chicago for an MRI tomorrow. Cubs don't feel it's serious but I suppose that will put the whammy on him.

That explains the MRI.

No wonder Joe Sixpack is demanding one everytime he pulls a muscle playing softball.

The MRI is for precautionary reasons... it isn't that difficult to understand.

I would hope that the team would do an MRI even if they didn't think it was a big deal.

You can take your condescending attitude and shove it up your big fat lowitzki. MRI's are not trivial and they shouldn't be done unless there's a damn good reason.

The damn good reason is that Zambrano is a great professional baseball player making millions of dollars a year. Why NOT do an MRI if there is even 1/10th of 1% chance it could reveal something, even minor.

Heh. navigator is complaining about my condescending attitude? Funny...

And yea - when you make millions of dollars a year because of your shoulder, it is worth getting an MRI just to make sure things are okay.

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  • rare air though if he can keep it under 2. Sounds like Maddon already made up his mind though and Hendricks seems like the sort that would want to earn it. Guessing he gets a quick hook if he's still under 2 after 5 innings.

    Fwiw, he can give up 1 ER in 5 innings (or more) and still be under 2. If he gives up 2 ER, he would need throw 9 IP to keep it under 2. 1 ER in 4 IP would give him an ERA of exactly 2.

    In terms of WAR, it's still Scherzer by a lot (6.4), then Cueto (5.6), Lester (5.5), Kershaw (5.5), Roark (5.4), and then Hendricks (5.1)

    Rob G. 14 min 53 sec ago view
  • Boring lineup tonight in terms of guys trying to reach milestones -- no KB (40 HR), Addy (100 RBI) or JHey (can he keep it going?), and Lackey isn't really going for anything, plus the team has already reached 100 wins. I get the "rest" thing, although they will have 4 days off after Sunday, but....bleh.

    billybucks 59 min ago view
  • Agree -- I think you want to keep him on a regular schedule.

    billybucks 1 hour 18 min ago view
  • Ramos torn ACL

    jacos 1 hour 46 min ago view
  • Sure, its not about his record.

    jacos 1 hour 47 min ago view
  • Do you start him Sunday or not?

    @jonmorosi Pitchers w/ sub-2.00 ERA in year of 185+ IP this century: Pedro ’00, Clemens ’05, Kershaw ’13/’14, Arrieta ’15, Greinke ’15, Hendricks ’16.

    Rob G. 3 hours 9 min ago view
  • Yeah -- that would be rough for him. But, Monty is getting people out, he's a lefty and he has experience working out of the bullpen. Hammel? None of the above.

    billybucks 4 hours 4 min ago view
  • even if he's not starting, abandoning hammel would be a bit of a 'screw you.' i think it might be -monty +hammel, but it's speculation.

    either way, someone's gonna be disappointed.

    crunch 5 hours 5 min ago view
  • Joe said he is leaning towards 11 pitchers and 14 position players.

    - 4 starters, Chapman, Rondon, Strop, CJ, Wood, Grimm, Monty. No dice for Cahill or Smith.
    - 3 catchers, Rizz, Zo, Addy, KB, Javy, Heyward, Fowler, Soler, Coghlan, TLS and then Sczcur over Almora?

    billybucks 5 hours 16 min ago view
  • Cubs 3B Jason Vosler made two really bad throws on consecutive AB in the 8th. Fortunately the game was no longer in doubt at the time  

    The first one was a one-hop lob that allowed the batter to reach base on an infield single, and the second was air-mailed so far over the first-baseman's head that it went over the fence and landed in Field #4.

    Arizona Phil 5 hours 51 min ago view
  • E-MAN: Despite the HR, Donnie Dewees is really more of a slash hitter (the HR was an opposite-field line-drive) who can accumulate lots of doubles & triples. He's also a good bunter and can get on base that way, too. Although he was thrown out trying to steal in the game, he's actually a good base-stealer and baserunner.

    Defensively he has plus-range and tracks fly balls OK, so he can play CF, but he has a rag arm that requires the middle infielders to go out further into CF to make relays.

    Arizona Phil 5 hours 52 min ago view
  • I don't know how many of you remember Bobby Knoop, who played 2B for the Angels, White Sox, and Royals back in the day, but he is a coach-emeritus for the Angels, and works with the infielders at Minor League Camp, Extended Spring Training, and Instructs. He's pretty spry for a 77-year old, and he really knows his shit.

    Arizona Phil 6 hours 20 min ago view
  • With a big lead, Chapman was throwing sliders and changeups, something he's reluctant to do in a save situation. (Len and Jim covered this.)

    VirginiaPhil 6 hours 28 min ago view
  • Maybe they have a bad owner, I don't know, but they still have players and fans and a franchise, all devastated by this loss of life. Plus, everybody who follows baseball is a fan of a guy like this. It's why I used the word tragedy, which other people throw around but I try to be careful with.

    I'm at an age where I remember old incidents better than recent ones, but I have to go back to Herb Score for something as disturbing.

    VirginiaPhil 6 hours 44 min ago view
  • That was Dee Gordon's only HR this year. Wow.

    billybucks 6 hours 46 min ago view
  • Thank you PHIL.

    Glad you avoided temps in the 100s.

    I remember you mentioning Dewees needng plenty of work in th IF. How are his OF instincts?

    Also, did see much of Satchel McElroy? Only Satchel I have heard about other than the "orignal" and one of Woody Allen's kids.

    The E-Man 9 hours 32 min ago view