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Game 75 Thread / White Sox @ Cubs (2 of 3)

Submitted by Cubnut on Sat, 06/21/2008 - 10:50am

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SP José Contreras SP Jason Marquis
  6-5, 3.24, 55 K, 24 BB, 94.1 IP
5-3, 4.24, 37 K, 30 BB, 74.1 IP
       
SS Orlando Cabrera RF *Kosuke Fukudome
C *A.J. Pierzynski LF Eric Patterson
LF Carlos Quentin 1B Derrek Lee
RF Jermaine Dye 3B Aramis Ramirez
1B #Nick Swisher CF *Jim Edmonds
3B Joe Crede 2B *Mike Fontenot
CF *Dewayne Wise C Geovany Soto
2B Alexei Ramirez SS Ryan Theriot
P José Contreras P *Jason Marquis

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

First, the Z news:

The Cubs have placed Carlos and his shoulder strain on the 15-day DL retroactive to June 19th (Zambrano's second career trip to the Disabled List, the other coming in 2002), and they have recalled Eric Patterson from Iowa. Patterson is in Lou Piniella's lineup this afternoon, playing left field and hitting second.

As for the game at hand, the first-place Cubs go for their 13th consecutive win at Wrigley and try to improve on their overall 30-8 record at home, while trying to extend a four-game winning streak over the White Sox, the longest streak either team has enjoyed since interleague play began in '97.

The White Sox—with a mark of 17-21 away from U.S. Cellular Fans Beating Up Opposition's First-Base Coach Field—try to avoid their 8th consecutive road loss.

And everybody hopes that those isolated thunderstorms find somewhere else to play besides the corner of Clark & Addison.

 

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#1 Re: Game 75 Thread / White Sox @ Cubs (2 of 3)

Submitted by Dmac on Sat, 06/21/2008 - 11:18am.

"...with a mark of 17-21 away from U.S. Cellular Fans Beating Up Opposition's First-Base Coach Field..."

HA!

#2 Re: Game 75 Thread / White Sox @ Cubs (2 of 3)

Submitted by Eric S on Sat, 06/21/2008 - 12:34pm.

So when will Ozzie order a pitcher to plunk a Cubbie to stop the onslaught and try to get them off-track?

Go Cubs!

#3 Re: Game 75 Thread / White Sox @ Cubs (2 of 3)

Submitted by Little Nate Lewis on Sat, 06/21/2008 - 12:47pm.

Zambrano on why he likes the Cubs/White Sox series....

"Every time I go to U.S. Cellular, or Comiskey, or whatever is the name of the ballpark, people starts screaming at you and saying all kinds of things, calling you all kind of things."

“That’s good. They say something like ‘Homosexual.’ Sometimes I’m in the outfield and they say bad words. ‘You’re a homosexual.’ I say ‘I’m going to show him I’m (not) a homosexual on the mound.’ That’s kind of like a good feeling between the Cubs and the Sox.”

http://blogs.chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/spor...

#4 Re: Game 75 Thread / White Sox @ Cubs (2 of 3)

Submitted by artskoe on Sat, 06/21/2008 - 1:06pm.

Looks to me that Soto has backed off from the plate a bit. Anybody else get that imppression?

#5 Re: Game 75 Thread / White Sox @ Cubs (2 of 3)

Submitted by nohit on Sat, 06/21/2008 - 2:21pm.

Farking Cardinals are already out in front of Boston 4-0. The Cubs are playing *phenomenal* baseball, yet the Cards are still right there. Ominous.

Also, wtf is with the Lou & Ozzie rap?

#6 Re: Game 75 Thread / White Sox @ Cubs (2 of 3)

Submitted by nohit on Sat, 06/21/2008 - 2:46pm.

Ugh. Glaus GS in the 2nd, now 8-0 Redbirds. Disgusting.

#8 Re: Game 75 Thread / White Sox @ Cubs (2 of 3)

Submitted by billybucks on Sat, 06/21/2008 - 3:22pm.

Dice-K against the Pujols-less Cards in Fenway. Bet the ranch.

#7 Re: Game 75 Thread / White Sox @ Cubs (2 of 3)

Submitted by Doug on Sat, 06/21/2008 - 2:52pm.

Am I the only 30-something male that had never heard of the band "Fall Out Boy" ? I had to google them.

#9 Re: Game 75 Thread / White Sox @ Cubs (2 of 3)

Submitted by Gibbon Jockey on Sat, 06/21/2008 - 3:55pm.

"heard OF" yes. Yes, you are.

simply "heard" consider yourself fortunate.

#10 What I want to know is...

Submitted by nohit on Sat, 06/21/2008 - 4:08pm.

Why didn't Jon Lieber get an appearance today? Did he piss in Lou's Cheerios or something?

Liebs seems to be on the one inning per week plan now...

#12 Re: What I want to know is...

Submitted by crunch on Sat, 06/21/2008 - 4:47pm.

almost literally.

4.2ip this month. him and blanco must have a pretty intense game of chess going that dont need to be broken up too much.

#11 Re: Game 75 Thread / White Sox @ Cubs (2 of 3)

Submitted by Dmac on Sat, 06/21/2008 - 4:13pm.

Nice performance from the idiots for the 7th - inning stretch. Is there anyone alive (aside from the Cub's Marketin$$g Dept.) who wants this abomination to continue? Geez.

#13 Re: Game 75 Thread / White Sox @ Cubs (2 of 3)

Submitted by Jeff_Pico on Sat, 06/21/2008 - 5:27pm.

What a nice win. I'm a little worried about Marmol and Howry. Without those 2 guys pitching like they did in 07, the bullpen goes back down to an average or even slightly below average pen. I think with all the talk of the Cubs needing a starter, Hendry might actually have to make a move to improve the pen if those 2 can't get it together. I'd say mostly likely they do...a little more worried about Marmol since up until last year, control issues were his main problem.

#15 Re: Game 75 Thread / White Sox @ Cubs (2 of 3)

Submitted by blockhead25 on Sat, 06/21/2008 - 5:38pm.

I agree with you. With Marmol completely lost on the mound as he has been his last two appearances, our pen drops from "awesome" to "mediocre".

I know Crunch disagrees, but I think Marmol is tired and therefore not holding himself closed in his pitching form...and he tries to compensate by over throwing and probably over thinking too.

1IP, 0H, 5BB, 2HBP, 1WP, 5ER. That's tough to accomplish.

With that said, I don't think a trade will help, we just need our guys to pitch to expectation and we'l be fine.

#16 Re: Game 75 Thread / White Sox @ Cubs (2 of 3)

Submitted by crunch on Sat, 06/21/2008 - 5:43pm.

how do you know i disagree? i dont recall ever talking about how tired marmol might be or might not be...esp. saying he's not tired.

i do recall wondering if marmol was gonna get 90-100 appearances cuz of how much he was being used in april/may, though.

his stuff still looks good velocity-wise...location-wise, well, yeah...

#17 Re: Game 75 Thread / White Sox @ Cubs (2 of 3)

Submitted by Old and Blue on Sat, 06/21/2008 - 6:32pm.

Marmol is tired. His arm flails a (tiny) bit at the end of his delivery. I think our pitching coach is a bit overrated, and I think that feeling is about to be born out.

Dammit.

#14 some wire images

Submitted by crunch on Sat, 06/21/2008 - 5:27pm.

wooha...from the games...

http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20080621/capt.c...

http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20080621/capt.6...

yesterday...

http://d.yimg.com/a/p/sp/getty/b2/fullj.496c8df92b...

#18 Re: Game 75 Thread / White Sox @ Cubs (2 of 3)

Submitted by Old and Blue on Sat, 06/21/2008 - 6:35pm.

Reiterating my post.

I don't post here often because, frankly, I'm intimidated by the huge smartness and baseball sense here. But I've been a student of the game for a long time and I think Marmol's delivery ended today with a bit of flutter I've never seen. So. He's tired.

If the cubs screw up this guy, I swear to god I'll shoot myself. Okay, not myself. Somebody, though. Oh, I can't do that either. Well, then I'll tether myself to Ozzie Guillen's SUV.

#19 Re: Game 75 Thread / White Sox @ Cubs (2 of 3)

Submitted by Cubster on Sat, 06/21/2008 - 6:39pm.

... I'll tether myself to Ozzie Guillen's SUV.
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Apparently Edmonds might be tethered to that SUV too:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/cs-080621-ozzie...

#22 Re: Game 75 Thread / White Sox @ Cubs (2 of 3)

Submitted by Vegas Brian on Sat, 06/21/2008 - 6:45pm.

Reading that actually got me upset and hope Edmonds goes 4-4 tomorrow. I guess Edmonds is truly a Cub now in my eyes.

#25 Re: Game 75 Thread / White Sox @ Cubs (2 of 3)

Submitted by billybucks on Sat, 06/21/2008 - 8:02pm.

It appears to me that Edmonds realizes he can no longer turn on the ball, so he just tries to hit fly balls to left-center. With a 368' poweer alley, and with the wind blowing out in the summer/fall, it's a pretty good idea.

If Ozzie and Kenny are wondering why there aren't more Sox fans in town, they should read their recent quotes. Who would want to be associated with an organization like that? Have a little class, fellows.

#20 Re: Game 75 Thread / White Sox @ Cubs (2 of 3)

Submitted by The E-Man on Sat, 06/21/2008 - 6:42pm.

MOTHERBLEEPING CARDINALS!!!!!!!

WHAT IS UP WITH THEM?!!

LOSE GODDAMMIT!!!!

ASSHOLES!!!!

FUCK YOU LA RUSSA!

#21 Re: Game 75 Thread / White Sox @ Cubs (2 of 3)

Submitted by Jeff_Pico on Sat, 06/21/2008 - 6:45pm.

The Cardinals got swept by the Royals, unfortunately we couldn't take advantage of it due to our troubles in Tampa. Surely the BoSox will salvage one at home tomorrow with Lester vs Piniero? We can only hope.

#23 Re: Game 75 Thread / White Sox @ Cubs (2 of 3)

Submitted by O.Julius on Sat, 06/21/2008 - 7:48pm.

I didn't see the game and was going to ask here why Fontenot was pinch-hit for. Then I see the recap (from the score link) which sez:

"Cubs manager Lou Piniella had just one regret after the outburst -- he pinch-hit for Fontenot when he came to bat for the second time, denying him a chance to also hit two homers in the same inning.

"'You know, I didn't realize that,' Piniella said. 'I shouldn't have. I wouldn't have. I just didn't realize it. Those are those senior moments.'"

That's OK with me on an 11-7 win, but I hope Lou doesn't have too many more 'senior moments.' He should not be admitting to them out loud, in any case.

#24 Re: Game 75 Thread / White Sox @ Cubs (2 of 3)

Submitted by Jeff_Pico on Sat, 06/21/2008 - 7:57pm.

I think the senior moment thing was a joke? I was surprised by the switch too...I figured Derosa was getting a day off since he had gone cold.

#26 Re: Game 75 Thread / White Sox @ Cubs (2 of 3)

Submitted by WISCGRAD on Sat, 06/21/2008 - 8:22pm.

He was getting a day off, but I think Lou saw a left handed pitcher in there and thought it would be a good match up to help DeRosa out.

#27 Re: Game 75 Thread / White Sox @ Cubs (2 of 3)

Submitted by Mister Whipple on Sat, 06/21/2008 - 9:31pm.

I for one welcome our new senior moment having, .627 baseball team coaching overlord.

#28 Re: Game 75 Thread / White Sox @ Cubs (2 of 3)

Submitted by Vegas Brian on Sat, 06/21/2008 - 9:36pm.

No link cause I'm on my cell, but per Trib article Vasquez said he isn't worried about the Cubs offense cause there are more potent lineups in the AL. The Sox are sure talkin a lot of trash and I hope our unimpressive lineup puts another 11 up tomorrow.

#29 Re: Game 75 Thread / White Sox @ Cubs (2 of 3)

Submitted by Ryno on Sat, 06/21/2008 - 9:57pm.

The Javi Vasquez checklist:

[   ] Motivate the opposing lineup... check.

[   ] Piss off the more popular crosstown rival's high-strung fan base... check.

[   ] Excel at being a dick... check.

#32 Re: Game 75 Thread / White Sox @ Cubs (2 of 3)

Submitted by Pell Mell on Sat, 06/21/2008 - 10:33pm.

Also:

[ ] Make your own teammate look bad...check.

This lineup just mauled Contreras. Declaring said lineup less-than-potent implies that it was Contreras who was substandard. True enough, but not a good thing to imply about your own guy.

Re all the recent White Sox bellyaching: as the Once-ler yelled at the Lorax, "All you do is yap yap and say 'Bad, bad, bad, bad!'"

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