Game 75 Thread / White Sox @ Cubs (2 of 3)

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SP José Contreras SP Jason Marquis
  6-5, 3.24, 55 K, 24 BB, 94.1 IP
5-3, 4.24, 37 K, 30 BB, 74.1 IP
SS Orlando Cabrera RF *Kosuke Fukudome
C *A.J. Pierzynski LF Eric Patterson
LF Carlos Quentin 1B Derrek Lee
RF Jermaine Dye 3B Aramis Ramirez
1B #Nick Swisher CF *Jim Edmonds
3B Joe Crede 2B *Mike Fontenot
CF *Dewayne Wise C Geovany Soto
2B Alexei Ramirez SS Ryan Theriot
P José Contreras P *Jason Marquis














First, the Z news:

The Cubs have placed Carlos and his shoulder strain on the 15-day DL retroactive to June 19th (Zambrano's second career trip to the Disabled List, the other coming in 2002), and they have recalled Eric Patterson from Iowa. Patterson is in Lou Piniella's lineup this afternoon, playing left field and hitting second.

As for the game at hand, the first-place Cubs go for their 13th consecutive win at Wrigley and try to improve on their overall 30-8 record at home, while trying to extend a four-game winning streak over the White Sox, the longest streak either team has enjoyed since interleague play began in '97.

The White Sox—with a mark of 17-21 away from U.S. Cellular Fans Beating Up Opposition's First-Base Coach Field—try to avoid their 8th consecutive road loss.

And everybody hopes that those isolated thunderstorms find somewhere else to play besides the corner of Clark & Addison.



"...with a mark of 17-21 away from U.S. Cellular Fans Beating Up Opposition's First-Base Coach Field..."


So when will Ozzie order a pitcher to plunk a Cubbie to stop the onslaught and try to get them off-track?

Go Cubs!

Zambrano on why he likes the Cubs/White Sox series....

"Every time I go to U.S. Cellular, or Comiskey, or whatever is the name of the ballpark, people starts screaming at you and saying all kinds of things, calling you all kind of things."

“That’s good. They say something like ‘Homosexual.’ Sometimes I’m in the outfield and they say bad words. ‘You’re a homosexual.’ I say ‘I’m going to show him I’m (not) a homosexual on the mound.’ That’s kind of like a good feeling between the Cubs and the Sox.”

Looks to me that Soto has backed off from the plate a bit. Anybody else get that imppression?

Farking Cardinals are already out in front of Boston 4-0. The Cubs are playing *phenomenal* baseball, yet the Cards are still right there. Ominous.

Also, wtf is with the Lou & Ozzie rap?

Ugh. Glaus GS in the 2nd, now 8-0 Redbirds. Disgusting.

Dice-K against the Pujols-less Cards in Fenway. Bet the ranch.

Am I the only 30-something male that had never heard of the band "Fall Out Boy" ? I had to google them.

"heard OF" yes. Yes, you are.

simply "heard" consider yourself fortunate.

Why didn't Jon Lieber get an appearance today? Did he piss in Lou's Cheerios or something?

Liebs seems to be on the one inning per week plan now...

almost literally.

4.2ip this month. him and blanco must have a pretty intense game of chess going that dont need to be broken up too much.

Nice performance from the idiots for the 7th - inning stretch. Is there anyone alive (aside from the Cub's Marketin$$g Dept.) who wants this abomination to continue? Geez.

What a nice win. I'm a little worried about Marmol and Howry. Without those 2 guys pitching like they did in 07, the bullpen goes back down to an average or even slightly below average pen. I think with all the talk of the Cubs needing a starter, Hendry might actually have to make a move to improve the pen if those 2 can't get it together. I'd say mostly likely they do...a little more worried about Marmol since up until last year, control issues were his main problem.

I agree with you. With Marmol completely lost on the mound as he has been his last two appearances, our pen drops from "awesome" to "mediocre".

I know Crunch disagrees, but I think Marmol is tired and therefore not holding himself closed in his pitching form...and he tries to compensate by over throwing and probably over thinking too.

1IP, 0H, 5BB, 2HBP, 1WP, 5ER. That's tough to accomplish.

With that said, I don't think a trade will help, we just need our guys to pitch to expectation and we'l be fine.

how do you know i disagree? i dont recall ever talking about how tired marmol might be or might not be...esp. saying he's not tired.

i do recall wondering if marmol was gonna get 90-100 appearances cuz of how much he was being used in april/may, though.

his stuff still looks good velocity-wise...location-wise, well, yeah...

Marmol is tired. His arm flails a (tiny) bit at the end of his delivery. I think our pitching coach is a bit overrated, and I think that feeling is about to be born out.


Reiterating my post.

I don't post here often because, frankly, I'm intimidated by the huge smartness and baseball sense here. But I've been a student of the game for a long time and I think Marmol's delivery ended today with a bit of flutter I've never seen. So. He's tired.

If the cubs screw up this guy, I swear to god I'll shoot myself. Okay, not myself. Somebody, though. Oh, I can't do that either. Well, then I'll tether myself to Ozzie Guillen's SUV.

... I'll tether myself to Ozzie Guillen's SUV.
Apparently Edmonds might be tethered to that SUV too:

Reading that actually got me upset and hope Edmonds goes 4-4 tomorrow. I guess Edmonds is truly a Cub now in my eyes.

It appears to me that Edmonds realizes he can no longer turn on the ball, so he just tries to hit fly balls to left-center. With a 368' poweer alley, and with the wind blowing out in the summer/fall, it's a pretty good idea.

If Ozzie and Kenny are wondering why there aren't more Sox fans in town, they should read their recent quotes. Who would want to be associated with an organization like that? Have a little class, fellows.






The Cardinals got swept by the Royals, unfortunately we couldn't take advantage of it due to our troubles in Tampa. Surely the BoSox will salvage one at home tomorrow with Lester vs Piniero? We can only hope.

I didn't see the game and was going to ask here why Fontenot was pinch-hit for. Then I see the recap (from the score link) which sez:

"Cubs manager Lou Piniella had just one regret after the outburst -- he pinch-hit for Fontenot when he came to bat for the second time, denying him a chance to also hit two homers in the same inning.

"'You know, I didn't realize that,' Piniella said. 'I shouldn't have. I wouldn't have. I just didn't realize it. Those are those senior moments.'"

That's OK with me on an 11-7 win, but I hope Lou doesn't have too many more 'senior moments.' He should not be admitting to them out loud, in any case.

I think the senior moment thing was a joke? I was surprised by the switch too...I figured Derosa was getting a day off since he had gone cold.

He was getting a day off, but I think Lou saw a left handed pitcher in there and thought it would be a good match up to help DeRosa out.

I for one welcome our new senior moment having, .627 baseball team coaching overlord.

No link cause I'm on my cell, but per Trib article Vasquez said he isn't worried about the Cubs offense cause there are more potent lineups in the AL. The Sox are sure talkin a lot of trash and I hope our unimpressive lineup puts another 11 up tomorrow.

The Javi Vasquez checklist:

[   ] Motivate the opposing lineup... check.

[   ] Piss off the more popular crosstown rival's high-strung fan base... check.

[   ] Excel at being a dick... check.


[ ] Make your own teammate look bad...check.

This lineup just mauled Contreras. Declaring said lineup less-than-potent implies that it was Contreras who was substandard. True enough, but not a good thing to imply about your own guy.

Re all the recent White Sox bellyaching: as the Once-ler yelled at the Lorax, "All you do is yap yap and say 'Bad, bad, bad, bad!'"

edmonds has produced i worry about how long it will take
for a trip to the dl but knowing he is AT the end of his career
he knows this may be his last chance for postseason,
i look forward to the trip to st louis for him.

also heard that r.johnson could be headed to dl
that could be the move when marshall comes up.

I for one think it's an awful thing we've taken 2 so far against the WhiteSux. Think of all that the wives of Sux fans have had to endure these past few days - being screamed at for not having enough Old Milwaukee in the fridge, chastised for not taping the latest episode of Cops upon which their husbands played a prominent role (unfortunately, not as the Cops), ridiculed for not cleaning the gun collection. So long as the Cubs lose tomorrow, they'll be doing these poor women a huge favor.

the trib cleaned up some of this language methinks...

when I wrote it in the "Ace" post I was just trying to be humorous (Z opting for a DL stint when he found out he couldn't bat), but it seems like it might have been completely factual.

"I don't like to pitch in American League ballparks [anyway]," Zambrano said. "I feel bored. The games are too long. I like the National League. You're competing and no one has to come in for me and do the DH part. I like to compete and play against the White Sox. Every time I go to U.S. Cellular, or Comiskey, or whatever is the name of the ballpark, people start screaming at you, calling you all kinds of things.

next weekend schedule:

Friday 6/27 at 3:05 PM, Cubs vs Sox, at whatever is the name of the ballpark
Saturday 6/28 at 2:55 PM, Cubs vs Sox, at whatever is the name of the ballpark
Sunday 6/29 at 7:05 PM, Cubs vs Sox, at whatever is the name of the ballpark


One thing that concerns me is that this team has not learned to win on the road. IF they do not build at least a 5-7 game lead by the time September rolls around, it could be a really bumpy September..

As far as I can count, their top Central rivals they play 3 more times away, than home. And, as we all know, they have to finish in NY and MILW in the last week - the Brewers have been playing good ball over the last 10.

Looks like Johnson may be headed to the DL.....

Reed Johnson received an anti-inflammatory injection in his back on Thursday and is likely to go on the disabled list after the weekend series

Oof. Also from same article:

Rich Hill allowed six runs with four walks in two-thirds of an inning for Iowa on Friday, and the Cubs brass will huddle to see what their next step is. General manager Jim Hendry said Hill's problems are not physical.

You heard it here first on WTCR 1344 AM. Hill's not coming back this season if ever.

10:30-Arrived at Addison street station

10:35-First Miller Lite at Bernies, begins to rain

10:37-Second Miller lite

Crowd was mixed with both fans very cordial, I was with three Sox fan friends they seemed nervous and I told there was nothing to worry about.

11:00- Steak Sandwich from Bernies.
My Sox friend agreed it hit the spot.

11:45- After several more oat sodas we head to game

12:05 -Play ball, sitting down right field line two rows off the wall. Weather is fantastic, sunny with a breeze, Speilberg could not recreate a more perfect day on film.

12:06-Fukudome makes a diving catch in front of us. Awesome

First inning- Dye homers, Sox friends high fiving, I tell them its annoying when Cubs spot teams runs like that.
First Old Style arrives; I predict to my friends 10-9 game, but discretion does not allow me to them who will win.

Second inning- Fukudomo throws warm up ball into bleachers, Sox fan catches and throws it back onto field, delays start of inning.
Stay classy

Fourth inning- Sox score two runs....not enough.
From my angle I could tell that each ball hit was gone. I celebrate with all the Cubs fans around me, Sox fans sit and rightfully sulk. Feeling fully croisened I did not realize that Edmonds homers came in the same inning. WHHHHHEEEEEEEEEEE!

Game goes along everyone is pretty civil, until a guy down the row wearing a Cubs wife beater shirt and wrap around Blue Blocker sunglasses starts yelling at Sox fans. We shout him down, tell him to take the high road.

My friends want to hit the bar in the eighth, I agree and enjoy some more brews at the new Harry Caray's formerly Hi Tops. Cubs win.

Went to a friends on Sheffield and played some bags then caught a $80 cab ride back to Southwest Suburbs.

Good times, although I'm worried about Marmol.

It took you two minutes to down your first Miller Lite? Why so long? You're slipping, pal.

Reed Johnson received an anti-inflammatory injection in his back on Thursday and is likely to go on the disabled list after the weekend series
This is the same treatment Daryle Ward recieved, albeit with a bit less fanfare as Ward's was preannounced followed by a DL stint. Reed Johnson did have lumbar disc surgery on 4/16/07 so he might be on the DL for more than the minimum 2 weeks but the improvement is quite unpredictable and he'll probably need some rehab time in Arizona if it does take more than 2 weeks.

The formal term is an epidural steroid injection (ESI).

video presentation on ESI:

RJohnson's surgery:

Ward's been on the DL since May 18th, so if (as AZ Phil says) he's back next weekend, his DL stint will add up to 5-1/2 weeks.

I think this means Eric Patterson (or Murton/Hoffpauir) won't go down when they call up Sean Marshall.

I'm also worried about Edmonds, his foot really looked to be hurting while he rounded the bases after his second jack. This, after he rested during the last three games, and now Johnson will be out for awhile as well. Yikes, we're suddenly thin in the OF.

OTOH, perhaps E - Pat can fill in capably - nice performance yesterday.

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  • I'm with you, Rob. You pretty much summed up how I feel about it.

    JoePepitone 20 min 20 sec ago view
  • Been quite the roller-coaster the past two days -- both games, plus the Chapman kerfuffel. How about a couple of nice, comfortable wins before facing Sale? Cubs should definitely wear throwbacks for that game.

    billybucks 1 hour 15 min ago view
  • The Cubs are stronger defensively than most of the teams they play. In order to capitalize on that, they have to a) put the ball in play and b) run the bases aggressively.

    That said, Cabrera has a strong, accurate arm, as witnessed by his 97 outfield assists over 12 seasons--mostly left field but also a lot of center. Bryant is rarely thrown out, but I guess you have to know who's throwing the ball.

    VirginiaPhil 2 hours 9 min ago view
  • On the other hand, Pries won his first start for Iowa, only giving up two HRs in the process. This trade has got some legs yet!

    Eric S 11 hours 17 min ago view
  • KB now with 0 RBI in his last 10 games and 1 in his last 15, despite having 19 hits in his last 15 games and raising his batting average from .278 to .286 over that span.

    Maybe have Zobrist hit 2 and KB hit 4?

    Also -- no HR in the last 15 games -- time for a bunch. Starting tomorrow.

    billybucks 11 hours 33 min ago view
  • Down a run. Fowler on first. Nobody out. KB singles to left, Fowler makes it to third, perfect throw from Cabrera nails KB trying to stretch for 2nd.

    So, instead of 1st & 3rd and no out, you have 3rd with one out. It was a perfect throw, but why take the chance with 3-4-5 hitters coming up?

    billybucks 11 hours 47 min ago view
  • Must be a Cub thing - our lefties can;t get lefties out.

    billybucks 11 hours 48 min ago view
  • Splitting hairs, but Jake's pitch was poor execution, while KB's play was a poor decision (and the 2nd time he got thrown out trying to stretch in the game). Poor execution happens. Poor decisions are preventable. Speaking of poor decisions -- Baez's steal of 3rd made absolutely no sense.

    billybucks 11 hours 49 min ago view
  • Didn't Jake cost them the game with a pitch to Frazier?

    The E-Man 12 hours 2 min ago view
  • Missed the play w/Bryant. What happened?

    The E-Man 12 hours 3 min ago view
  • Not a good decision by Bryant in the 9th. That may have cost them the game.

    billybucks 12 hours 7 min ago view
  • Can we un-do the Montgomery deal? Please?

    billybucks 12 hours 8 min ago view

    crunch 12 hours 11 min ago view
  • Who is this Arrieta guy? Can I get the old one back please?

    The E-Man 13 hours 19 min ago view
  • Well, this is, once again, the whole season for the Sox.

    billybucks 13 hours 23 min ago view
  • ...and the Bryant RBI jinx continues in the 3rd....crap.

    billybucks 14 hours 56 min ago view