Game 76 Thread / White Sox @ Cubs (3 of 3)

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SP Javier Vazquez SP Ryan Dempster
  7-5, 4.13, 93 K, 24 BB, 96 IP
8-2, 2.76, 81 K, 37 BB, 94.2 IP
SS Orlando Cabrera RF *Kosuke Fukudome
C *A.J. Pierzynski LF *Eric Patterson
LF Carlos Quentin 1B Derrek Lee
RF Jermaine Dye 3B Aramis Ramirez
1B #Nick Swisher CF *Jim Edmonds
3B Joe Crede C Geovany Soto
CF *Dewayne Wise RF Mark DeRosa
2B Alexei Ramirez SS Ryan Theriot
P Javier Vazquez P Ryan Dempster














The national ESPN spotlight shines this evening on 1060 West Addison, which can only mean one thing:

The Yankees and Mets aren't playing each other this weekend.

According to the Sun-Times' up-to-the-minute Cubs reports via Twitter, Rob Reiner and his kid are in the house tonight. Could there be any clearer indication what an important contest this is?

Regarding tonight's starters...

Dempster makes his first career start against the White Sox after seven relief appearances (0-1, 3.86 with 3 saves). Vazquez is 3-3 lifetime against the Cubs in 14 starts dating back to his days with the Expos. He is 2-2, 4.80 in ten starts at Wrigley.

This morning on ESPN 1000, former Cub and current Comcast analyst Dan Plesac attributed Dempster's success this year to his ability to throw strikes early in the count and then fall back on his split-finger fastball as an out pitch, especially against lefties. Plesac reasoned that if the White Sox take a bunch of big swings tonight trying to drive the ball out of the park, Dempster could be in for a very successful outing.

If Dempster gets knocked out of the box and the Cubs lose, don't blame me—I'm just quoting Plesac.

But if Dempster makes the Sox look silly tonight, remember, you read it here first.



ESPN 1000 just said that Edmonds also has a hand problem... I didn't hear the particulars because I walked into the room late. They suggested that he might end up being a late scratch.

I think it's a strain from him flipping the Sox the bird yesterday. He sure gave them the might FU with aplomb. I hope to heck he can play today. He's batting .311 since becoming a Cub and he's been both clutch and scrappy.

Disagree. He's entirely too well manicured to be scrappy. No long hair. No can't-quite-grow-the-entire-thing beard. Hates getting dirty.

Plus, he's slugging .581 as a Cub. That's WAY too high for scrap. Subtract about 200 points from that and then we'll talk.

When The Riot had a .522 slugging pct in 2006 wasn't that scrap? Edmonds slugging will come down. That he's hitting the ball now just shows his scrappiness.

Besides, you seem to be describing Shaggy, not Scrappy.

This may have actually been on the SAT this year:

Theriot:Shaggy :: Edmonds:Fred

Willie McCovey was one of Joe Morgan's childhood idols? The guy made his major league debut all of four years earlier than Morgan.

"Banks Boulevard," ugggggggguhgughghgh.

P.S. Aramis Ramirez will you marry me [ ]yes [ ]yes [ ]alrighty.

I'd like to know who makes shit like this up, Joe or his fact checkers?

FWIW, the basket didn't go up until 1970 by which time Ernie was pretty much done.
He only hit 15 more homeruns before he hung up his spikes and I think only 8 were at Wrigley Field.

And the basket wasn't put up primarily to keep fans from interfering with the ball. Back in the sixties when Bleacher bums were ACTUALLY BUMS 'cause seats only cost a dollar and beers were less, the bums would stack their beers and empty cups on the top of the wall, along with their wallets and shirts and suntan lotion and hibachi grills. All that junk wound up on the field, often after it landed on the outfielders head. Usually when he was trying to make a catch, but not always. There wasn't a problem before Durocher took over because there were no fans before the Durocher era. But starting in 67 when the Cubs found themselves in first place, it became a problem. Thus the basket.

hahaha. rock.

"I'd like to know who makes shit like this up, Joe or his fact checkers?"

Joe Morgan doesn't need fact checkers because he DOES NOT use facts. Why would he have to when he can make stuff up so well?

Funny bit from Rogers' column tonight:

• Cubs fans have long memories.

Of course they boo Pierzynski. It's only been two years since he brawled with Michael Barrett. But about an hour before Sunday night's game, a fan in the upper deck was heckling ESPN's Joe Morgan and waving a sign that read, "Ryno was better than you, Joe."

ryno wishes he was as good as morgan.

as much as he sucks on the mic he's gotta be one of the best (if not the best) 2nd basemen ever. i'd put him #1 on my personal list.

that said, i don't how a guy with a "bad-mic-skills" reputation as that one morgan has keeps getting work on the marquee cable baseball "game of the week". go f'n figure.


guess i should say why.

while injuries robbed him of his full potential in his mid-30s (what was left, anyway) he was one hell of a full package. he got on base and had plus speed. he could also hit for a bit of power so you couldn't just play him in. incredible eye. beyond that he was absolutely one of the best defensive 2nd basemen who's played the game.

not that ryno was a pile of crap or something...but i'd take joe.

The awesomeness of this reply is only emphasized by the greatness of the Achewood reference as a handle.

Morgan continuing to show his profound ignorance of any teams not called the Reds, Yankees or Red Sox.

My favorite was when Joe said that the Cubs have played not nearly as many games on the road as at home. That actual number was pushed to 4 after tonight's game. His point was probably well taken the last time the Cubs were on SNB a couple of weeks ago before the Cubs took to the road.

That aside -- CUBS WIN! Awful sweet sweeping the ChiSox. As decent as Baltimore is, they are a .400 team on the road and the Cubs should take at least 2 of 3 before it's time to spank the White Sox again.

Oh, and Cubnut, you and the Meathead are off the hook.

You had me at ignorance.

Here's to:

* Returning to 20 games over .500
* Dempster's continued success
* ARam's hot streak
* EPat having two consecutive good games
* .800 record at home
* Kevin Youkilis and the Red Sox downing STL
* Sweeping the cross-town rival
* Ozzie's frustration

Bottoms up!

if someone would've told me at the beginning of the season the Cubs would win 32 of their first 40 at home i would've laughed my ass off...

The Cubs just are inside the White Sox heads, thanks to Ozzie Guillen. I normally discount a managers effect on a team but its obvious the Kenny Williams/ Ozzie Guillen inferiority complex effects their team. Vazquez talked trash about the Cubs lineup and gets knocked around. I'm sure the Cubs will be in for a tough fight next weekend at the Cell..but this sweep is very sweet :)

Vazquez talked trash about the Cubs lineup and gets knocked around.

I like to see guys fail after talking trash like that.

Two questions after tonight:

- Dempster contract extension at the A-S break?
- Does E-Pat have the arm to play CF?

Fun, fun, fun!

- Does E-Pat have the arm to play CF?

And play instead of Edmonds? Doubt that is going to happen.

Thinking more for next year -- and, the occasional game when Edmonds breaks down this year.

E-pat's speed directly led to 2 runs tonight -- a dimension that Hoffpauer and Fontenot and Murton don't bring.

I don't have the numbers to prove it, but I think Corey the Cub hit the Sox pretty good too.

Not so much. Corey's career line against the White Sox:


Corey's line as a Cub against the White Sox:


Wrong again, thanks Big Lowitzki.

edmonds is hurting i doubt if johnson was available if edmonds
would be playing.
i also was wondering if patterson has played center?

did lou say he earned another start.

so when d. ward is activated who goes down

i would say #3

that is if johnson goes to dl for marshall call up

They will no doubt DL Johnson for Sean Marshall. As for Ward being activated for the White Sox series next weekend, say adios to Murton. LH or RH, Lou likes results and Patterson and Hoffpauir hit the crap out of the ball compared to the redhead.

I think they might make 3 roster moves tomorrow



I think Hoffpauir will be sent down in Ward comes back as they have the same skill sets and Lou likes defensive verisatility to much to have 2 guys who play 1b and our emergency OF on the roster. With Johnson likely going onto the DL and Edmonds banged up I'm sure Lou will want a back-up CF who has played their in the bigs and that is where Torres comes in. Plus he is a fast switch hitter something that Lou and Jimbo love. So that leaves Murton for Marshall's spot, given Epat's performance the last 2 games I think its safe to assume he has earned a roster spot, if not the everyday LF job V. RHP until Sori comes back. If he keeps it up, he might just take Fontenot's job.

I'd be shocked to see Torres on this team...they'd have to make room on the 40 man roster and the guy is 30 years old. I think Lou will go with Edmonds/Fuku in CF. Maybe Cedeno in an emergency.

Chad Fox could go to the 60 day DL to clear a spot.

whatever trade we make i hope it includes murton
it is not gonna happen in chicago

in a tribute to george carlin ozzie used all of
those seven words in post game interview.

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  • based on what SF has been doing every other year lately, getting access to the postseason playoffs seems to be what's important. bring on dat short series!

    that said, skipping the sudden death 1-game WC would be nice from here on out.

  • I know what you are saying, but I feel compelled to point out that there's no such thing as luck, curses, etc. The Cubs this year have as good as a chance as the Pirates to move on to the next round. If the Cubs proceed to the next round or not tomorrow, it will not be because of luck, but because one team outlasted the other. When/if the Cubs are lucky enough to make it to the league series, that's where they may find their biggest challenge. The Dodgers have a good, deep pitching staff.

  • debuting the new format 1 game "sudden death" WC matchup at yankee stadium does a perfect job of showing the intense emotion and drama this game can be.

    that said, i'm ready to not see yankee stadium or hear fans at yankee stadium for another 5 and 1/2 months. at least i don't have to sit through the braves with their "tommy hawk chawp" this postseason.

  • i'd like to know why the internet radio feed of the game (which is always delayed by a few seconds at best) is almost a minute faster than the ESPN cable TV coverage. wtf?

  • i dont know what order they'll be in, but i pretty much expect fowler/schwarb/rizzo/bryant/montero/castro/lastella/arrieta. any change at all (aside from the first 4 guys) wouldn't shock me, though. coghlan is still a wildcard in the lineup joe could always march d.ross out there with very slow arrieta pitching.

  • Yup. Have to agree. Baseball, like golf, certainly has that psych component for the player. There is no real reason why a fielding position should affect a batting average. The Cubs are 106 years over due for a little luck. Don't you guys think so? Maybe the rookies can bring some dumb luck on.

  • probably stacking capable lefties vs cole while keeping the "hot" castro in the game. fwiw, he's 1-6 lifetime with 0 bb/k vs cole (double).

    i chalk bryant's issues at the plate while playing OF up to coincidence so far.

  • I will call your dead horse, "Trigger".

    In one game, when anything is possble, I am glad that Joe Maddon is our Manager.

    He knows the stats better than all of us. It would seem, IF La Stella gets the start at 3B, it will be only up to the point that they were to get the lead (crosses fingers). From everything I have read, the game will be managed like a hoops game: offense/defense. So expect La Stella to be out of the game by the 5th. This team is incredibly deep which is so surprising. We never woulda thunk it.

  • i don't know what their roster plans are, but j.herrera is out there practicing with the team.

    i can't imagine him making any roster, though. dude had 4 PA the entire month of sept. him being a good dude to be around while keeping the clubhouse loose seems to be his main role at this point.

  • I know it's my own personal dead horse to beat --but Bryant has been a lousy hitter when playing the OF this year. Given that it's his first playoff game, I really hope they keep him in his natural position and don't mess with his routine.

    Lousy as in 8-for-45 with one XBH and no HR. Small sample and all that -- but why take the chance?

  • hard to tell what's up given they'll probably want to stack as many good lefties into the lineup as possible.

    castro being a bit hot doesn't help things. if he was still cool they'd probably stick la stella at 2nd and call it a day.

  • Madden won't announce lineups but Stella is practicing at 3rd and Bryant in LF today. I'd rather see Bryant at 3rd but I guess Stella has been hotter than Coghlan.

    /edit. Though I guess they could be practicing this with the idea Stella would come in as a PH then double switch him to 3rd base and Bryant to LF. Hope that's the plan instead

  • I really like the sound of that idea about expanding the AFL to ten teams. Each org. gets to field more players.
    They should do that anyway, regardless of Adv. Instructs.

  • Dallas Beeler, Corey Black, David Garner, Pierce Johnson, Steve Perakslis, James Pugliese, Duane Underwood Jr, and Rob Zastryzny threw early-morning bullpen side-sessions at Riverview yesterday.  

    Underwood threw last, and received specific one-on-one instruction from pitching coach Mike Mason. 

  • HAGSAG: There are only five advanced instructs squads left, and presently the only "co-op" team operating is the Angels/Cubs.

    The league was originally established as a "parallel" league to the AFL (a sort of "junior AFL"), for players too advanced for traditional ("basic") instructs but who were unable to get placed on AFL rosters due to AFL player-limits.

  • He is but I would think it'd be better to start out with offense and then bring in Jackson and LaStella once they have a lead. Stella has very good PH #s too.