Game 76 Thread / White Sox @ Cubs (3 of 3)

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SP Javier Vazquez SP Ryan Dempster
  7-5, 4.13, 93 K, 24 BB, 96 IP
8-2, 2.76, 81 K, 37 BB, 94.2 IP
SS Orlando Cabrera RF *Kosuke Fukudome
C *A.J. Pierzynski LF *Eric Patterson
LF Carlos Quentin 1B Derrek Lee
RF Jermaine Dye 3B Aramis Ramirez
1B #Nick Swisher CF *Jim Edmonds
3B Joe Crede C Geovany Soto
CF *Dewayne Wise RF Mark DeRosa
2B Alexei Ramirez SS Ryan Theriot
P Javier Vazquez P Ryan Dempster














The national ESPN spotlight shines this evening on 1060 West Addison, which can only mean one thing:

The Yankees and Mets aren't playing each other this weekend.

According to the Sun-Times' up-to-the-minute Cubs reports via Twitter, Rob Reiner and his kid are in the house tonight. Could there be any clearer indication what an important contest this is?

Regarding tonight's starters...

Dempster makes his first career start against the White Sox after seven relief appearances (0-1, 3.86 with 3 saves). Vazquez is 3-3 lifetime against the Cubs in 14 starts dating back to his days with the Expos. He is 2-2, 4.80 in ten starts at Wrigley.

This morning on ESPN 1000, former Cub and current Comcast analyst Dan Plesac attributed Dempster's success this year to his ability to throw strikes early in the count and then fall back on his split-finger fastball as an out pitch, especially against lefties. Plesac reasoned that if the White Sox take a bunch of big swings tonight trying to drive the ball out of the park, Dempster could be in for a very successful outing.

If Dempster gets knocked out of the box and the Cubs lose, don't blame me—I'm just quoting Plesac.

But if Dempster makes the Sox look silly tonight, remember, you read it here first.



ESPN 1000 just said that Edmonds also has a hand problem... I didn't hear the particulars because I walked into the room late. They suggested that he might end up being a late scratch.

I think it's a strain from him flipping the Sox the bird yesterday. He sure gave them the might FU with aplomb. I hope to heck he can play today. He's batting .311 since becoming a Cub and he's been both clutch and scrappy.

Disagree. He's entirely too well manicured to be scrappy. No long hair. No can't-quite-grow-the-entire-thing beard. Hates getting dirty.

Plus, he's slugging .581 as a Cub. That's WAY too high for scrap. Subtract about 200 points from that and then we'll talk.

When The Riot had a .522 slugging pct in 2006 wasn't that scrap? Edmonds slugging will come down. That he's hitting the ball now just shows his scrappiness.

Besides, you seem to be describing Shaggy, not Scrappy.

This may have actually been on the SAT this year:

Theriot:Shaggy :: Edmonds:Fred

Willie McCovey was one of Joe Morgan's childhood idols? The guy made his major league debut all of four years earlier than Morgan.

"Banks Boulevard," ugggggggguhgughghgh.

P.S. Aramis Ramirez will you marry me [ ]yes [ ]yes [ ]alrighty.

I'd like to know who makes shit like this up, Joe or his fact checkers?

FWIW, the basket didn't go up until 1970 by which time Ernie was pretty much done.
He only hit 15 more homeruns before he hung up his spikes and I think only 8 were at Wrigley Field.

And the basket wasn't put up primarily to keep fans from interfering with the ball. Back in the sixties when Bleacher bums were ACTUALLY BUMS 'cause seats only cost a dollar and beers were less, the bums would stack their beers and empty cups on the top of the wall, along with their wallets and shirts and suntan lotion and hibachi grills. All that junk wound up on the field, often after it landed on the outfielders head. Usually when he was trying to make a catch, but not always. There wasn't a problem before Durocher took over because there were no fans before the Durocher era. But starting in 67 when the Cubs found themselves in first place, it became a problem. Thus the basket.

hahaha. rock.

"I'd like to know who makes shit like this up, Joe or his fact checkers?"

Joe Morgan doesn't need fact checkers because he DOES NOT use facts. Why would he have to when he can make stuff up so well?

Funny bit from Rogers' column tonight:

• Cubs fans have long memories.

Of course they boo Pierzynski. It's only been two years since he brawled with Michael Barrett. But about an hour before Sunday night's game, a fan in the upper deck was heckling ESPN's Joe Morgan and waving a sign that read, "Ryno was better than you, Joe."

ryno wishes he was as good as morgan.

as much as he sucks on the mic he's gotta be one of the best (if not the best) 2nd basemen ever. i'd put him #1 on my personal list.

that said, i don't how a guy with a "bad-mic-skills" reputation as that one morgan has keeps getting work on the marquee cable baseball "game of the week". go f'n figure.


guess i should say why.

while injuries robbed him of his full potential in his mid-30s (what was left, anyway) he was one hell of a full package. he got on base and had plus speed. he could also hit for a bit of power so you couldn't just play him in. incredible eye. beyond that he was absolutely one of the best defensive 2nd basemen who's played the game.

not that ryno was a pile of crap or something...but i'd take joe.

The awesomeness of this reply is only emphasized by the greatness of the Achewood reference as a handle.

Morgan continuing to show his profound ignorance of any teams not called the Reds, Yankees or Red Sox.

My favorite was when Joe said that the Cubs have played not nearly as many games on the road as at home. That actual number was pushed to 4 after tonight's game. His point was probably well taken the last time the Cubs were on SNB a couple of weeks ago before the Cubs took to the road.

That aside -- CUBS WIN! Awful sweet sweeping the ChiSox. As decent as Baltimore is, they are a .400 team on the road and the Cubs should take at least 2 of 3 before it's time to spank the White Sox again.

Oh, and Cubnut, you and the Meathead are off the hook.

You had me at ignorance.

Here's to:

* Returning to 20 games over .500
* Dempster's continued success
* ARam's hot streak
* EPat having two consecutive good games
* .800 record at home
* Kevin Youkilis and the Red Sox downing STL
* Sweeping the cross-town rival
* Ozzie's frustration

Bottoms up!

if someone would've told me at the beginning of the season the Cubs would win 32 of their first 40 at home i would've laughed my ass off...

The Cubs just are inside the White Sox heads, thanks to Ozzie Guillen. I normally discount a managers effect on a team but its obvious the Kenny Williams/ Ozzie Guillen inferiority complex effects their team. Vazquez talked trash about the Cubs lineup and gets knocked around. I'm sure the Cubs will be in for a tough fight next weekend at the Cell..but this sweep is very sweet :)

Vazquez talked trash about the Cubs lineup and gets knocked around.

I like to see guys fail after talking trash like that.

Two questions after tonight:

- Dempster contract extension at the A-S break?
- Does E-Pat have the arm to play CF?

Fun, fun, fun!

- Does E-Pat have the arm to play CF?

And play instead of Edmonds? Doubt that is going to happen.

Thinking more for next year -- and, the occasional game when Edmonds breaks down this year.

E-pat's speed directly led to 2 runs tonight -- a dimension that Hoffpauer and Fontenot and Murton don't bring.

I don't have the numbers to prove it, but I think Corey the Cub hit the Sox pretty good too.

Not so much. Corey's career line against the White Sox:


Corey's line as a Cub against the White Sox:


Wrong again, thanks Big Lowitzki.

edmonds is hurting i doubt if johnson was available if edmonds
would be playing.
i also was wondering if patterson has played center?

did lou say he earned another start.

so when d. ward is activated who goes down

i would say #3

that is if johnson goes to dl for marshall call up

They will no doubt DL Johnson for Sean Marshall. As for Ward being activated for the White Sox series next weekend, say adios to Murton. LH or RH, Lou likes results and Patterson and Hoffpauir hit the crap out of the ball compared to the redhead.

I think they might make 3 roster moves tomorrow



I think Hoffpauir will be sent down in Ward comes back as they have the same skill sets and Lou likes defensive verisatility to much to have 2 guys who play 1b and our emergency OF on the roster. With Johnson likely going onto the DL and Edmonds banged up I'm sure Lou will want a back-up CF who has played their in the bigs and that is where Torres comes in. Plus he is a fast switch hitter something that Lou and Jimbo love. So that leaves Murton for Marshall's spot, given Epat's performance the last 2 games I think its safe to assume he has earned a roster spot, if not the everyday LF job V. RHP until Sori comes back. If he keeps it up, he might just take Fontenot's job.

I'd be shocked to see Torres on this team...they'd have to make room on the 40 man roster and the guy is 30 years old. I think Lou will go with Edmonds/Fuku in CF. Maybe Cedeno in an emergency.

Chad Fox could go to the 60 day DL to clear a spot.

whatever trade we make i hope it includes murton
it is not gonna happen in chicago

in a tribute to george carlin ozzie used all of
those seven words in post game interview.

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  • Manny Rondon faced 13 batters ... and got 10 to K. Not a bad day's work.

    Eric S 2 hours 23 min ago view
  • With several other Cubs hitters bailing out on curves today I think overall it wasn't being seen well. It for sure looked silly but a good breaking pitch coming at you and then breaking down isn't the easiest thing to see and has made many hitters look silly. Also Soler should have more walks this year but for quite a few called strikes that were actual balls and even the called strike he bailed on was borderline.

    johann 5 hours 21 min ago view
  • it's not like we're talking about a guy who's never had issues with pitch selection and seeing the ball over here. we're talking about a guy who has some rather legendary swing-and-misses at breaking stuff who's been exploited low. going forward it's worth paying attention to seeing if he can be exploited inside, too. he seriously bailed out of the box on a called strike. sure it was a good curve, but he obviously didn't see that well at all.

    crunch 5 hours 33 min ago view
  • It would seem like he is figuring it out now and it's really coming together. Really happy for him. Joe was really protecting him from the 3rd time through the order, but as you allude to, he is earning trust to go deeper.

    Wondering if has potential to become a #3 pitcher? His current stats certainly support it.

    The E-Man 5 hours 42 min ago view
  • That doesn't count b/c CRUNCH didn't see it on his 60" HDTV 5 times in replay.

    I have seen many players "bail out" when the ball looked like it was gonna hit them.

    Especially with the advent of the splitter and pitchers that can really get the ball to dance. Marmol, Sutter, Pedro Martinez, Curt Schilling, Derek Lowe, Smoltz, Arrietta...

    These guys have made the best bail out only for the ball to come over the plate and be called a strike.

    No shame in that. The same way players whiff hard enough to cause them to drill a hole in the ground from spinning.

    The E-Man 5 hours 47 min ago view
  • a 60" TV with slow-motion replay and multiple looks on that replay helps...a lot...

    it's one thing to shy away like he did the 2nd time, it's another to bail out of the box on a called strike. that happened in the 1st one he pulled away from. he misjudged that one by a foot or so...

    crunch 6 hours 6 min ago view
  • Good Hendricks sure is fun to watch. He was hitting all his corners today and the Phillies couldn't do anything with his changeup.

    johann 6 hours 42 min ago view
  • Bryant and I believe Zobrist both did that too.

    johann 7 hours 5 sec ago view
  • Soler BB acumen and plate awareness is excellent. Not unusual for even the best players to react as if they were about to hit them, "even though they weren't that close" from your vantage point sitting on your deck, or wherever.

    The E-Man 7 hours 1 min ago view
  • soler vs inside breaking balls is scary.

    he's had 2 inside curve balls today where he reacted as if they were about to hit him even though they weren't that he bailed out of the box on, it was a called strike.

    crunch 7 hours 19 min ago view
  • j.urias optioned back to AAA...guess we wont be seeing him in the LAD series.

    crunch 7 hours 27 min ago view
  • so is him actually getting 2 hits in a game (2 doubles!)...first time he's even been on base 2 times in a game since 9 games ago on his 3/4, 1bb day.

    im ready for him to at least look like a 2-slot hitter since he's gonna be slotted there no matter what he does.

    crunch 8 hours 22 min ago view
  • That Heyward move to avoid Bryant's ball hit at him was a thing of beauty too.

    johann 8 hours 40 min ago view
  • 9 pitches in and this game already rules.

    HR, double...bryant's turn (who came out to a Kris Kross song for some horrible, horrible reason).

    ...2 run inning...zoobrest hitting streak at 14.

    crunch 8 hours 45 min ago view
  • First time I saw Herrera was yesterday. He took like 100 pitches, fouled off a ton off Lester.

    Very nice young player and perfect leadoff guy.

    The E-Man 9 hours 54 min ago view
  • Obviously not Phil. But he mentioned this on Wednesday.

    "Dominican Summer League (DSL) Opening Day is Saturday June 4th, so probably about 8-10 pitchers and position players presently at EXST in Mesa will be sent to the Cubs Dominican Academy (probably sometime this week) and be assigned to either DSL Cubs #1 or DSL Cubs #2."

    In the comments here:

    QuietMan 10 hours 33 min ago view