Game 78 Thread / Orioles @ Cubs (2 of 3)

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SP Matt Albers SP *Ted Lilly
  3-2, 2.77, 25 K, 21 BB, 48.2 IP
7-5, 4.71, 91 K, 34 BB, 91.2 IP
2B #Brian Roberts LF *Eric Patterson
RF *Nick Markakis SS Ryan Theriot
3B Melvin Mora 1B Derrek Lee
1B *Aubrey Huff 3B Aramis Ramirez
C Ramon Hernandez CF *Jim Edmonds
LF *Luke Scott C Geovany Soto
CF Jay Payton RF Mark DeRosa
SS #Alex Cintron 2B *Mike Fontenot
P *Matt Albers P *Ted Lilly














Albers gets the emergency start in place of the scheduled O's starter, Brian Burres.


Where's Fuku? Albers is a righty. Is he hurt?...just read Fuku scratched with 'tightness' in his legs. Hopefully he'll be ok.

stupid regional blackout.

here in mid-NC we're in a BAL/WAS blackout area. in NC we get 1 of 3 "local" channels BAL games are shown on and none that WAS games are on.

result: unless it's on WGN, FOX Saturday, or ESPN i don't see any of those games except the 50-60 BAL games on the 1 channel i get. gee, i'm glad i'm not a fan of my "regional" team. i'd never get to see them. way to go MLB-EI.

Did Albers get hurt or did they just decide to pull him after 1 out?

Hurt. Not sure yet whether it was an arm problem or something else.

Hurt, apparently. BTW, Lou said in the pregame he will no longer PH for Edmonds vs. lefties and will save Murton for PH duties later in the game. We're not the only ones pissed at Cedeno..

WTF? Is he still on the team?

I didn't like Murton batting for Edmonds yesterday either. Like it or not (and I do like it) Edmonds is one of our big guns. Freek man, I can't wait to see the everyday lineup one time .. Soriano, Fukudome, Lee, Ramirez, Edmonds, Soto, DeRosa, Theriot. Stir in Johnson, Cedeno, Fontenot, Ward and Blanco and I can't remember a better roster on the postion side.

Off the subject, but do you think we will be players in the Fuentes sweepstakes? It sure sounds like Lou fell out of love with Cotts and Eyre after the Tampa Bay series.

Cotts sucks. Eyre is okay, it's just that he can be wild.

I'm comfortable going along with just one lefty in the pen, unless someone is available really, really cheap. But I think Lou and Hendry both want another lefty. Hopefully if they trade valuable pieces for a reliever, it will be someone who is not a mere specialist. I'd say Fuentes has a chance of being a Cub this year--Hendry likes big names.

Other than Tampa Bay, Eyre has been really lights out for us this year.

It would certainly be nice to have the guy....

Apparently Roberts and Payton are using their bats to tell Hendry he should have traded for them. Come on, Lilly.

If Lilly didn't throw his glove down after that second Payton homer, he should have. Pathetic.

Jim Edmonds = Mr. Cub

Not really, but I think I'm warming up to this guy....

Edmonds has gotten homer hot for us. The dude really has an exaggerated upper-cut swing, doesn't he?

Edmonds has the perfect fly ball swing for Wrigley from Memorial Day on, when the wind usually blows out. He might go hitless in April and May, however. Those basket fly ball HRs wouldn't even reach the warning track.

I wonder what it would take to get George Sherill at the deadline. Did the Orioles sign him to an extension?

Edmonds homered into the basket, now apparently called "Banks Boulevard."

You must be talking about "Edmonds Alley."

Nice inning from Wood.

Let's win the series tomorrow.

Marmol/Wood: 2IP, 1H, 0Runs, 5K

Much more like it.

Fontenot left 10 on base? Woof.

Marmol/Wood: 2IP, 1H, 0Runs, 5K

Much more like it.

Fontenot left 10 on base? Woof.

Sorry for the double -- my posting finger was shaking with joy.

You must really like beating the Orioles.

Individual LOB total of 30, team LOB 14. Yeah, 10 alone for Fontenot. His day wasn't as bad as Shawn Chacon's though, or Ed Wade's for that matter.


Wow, Shacon is a psycho

I'm really amazed how stupid some of these pro athletes are. If your boss comes to you and wants to discuss something you should just go. Maybe Wade could have let him eat dinner and talked after that.

And why would you throw a older man down to the ground (Pedro)? That's just tasteless and un-classy (Ron Burgundy). I'd DFA the bum tomorrow

Zeus is back.

KW is all manner of evil.

Me likee...

cedeno was actually in the first lineup but
lou made 3 lineups 2nd was for balt. pitching
change 3rd for fukodome being out

Tigers win! Bonus!

Anybody know what's up with Ascanio? Is he hurt? Doesn't seem to be pitching at Iowa.

His brother died in a car accident.


Marmol had it dialed in last night - couple that performance with the one a day earlier, and it looks like he's back in form. Lilly's living a charmed life so far - lots of rockets off him last night, but he still gets the W.

Fontenot played last night like he was still on the Orioles' payroll. Or owed someone money. Or lost a bet.

Marmol didn't look like he was all the way back, but he's getting there. Can't imagine anyone wanting to face that guy.

Wood made the three guys batting against him look like Ronny Cedeno, Corey Patterson and...Ronny Cedeno.

I don't think Fontenot has surprised anyone with his performance at the plate this year; after he turned back into a pumpkin mid - season last year, things have remained more or less the same. The question is why does Lou have such a fondness for the guy at this point? Can't imagine they don't have any other options from their farm system.

Who are you to judge a scrappy player!??!?!

Let me tell you a story of another unappreciated scrappy player ......

~music swells~

You mean we have to go back to calling him Pumpkinot again? Bummer.

Manager: "So what if the kid's stranded over 14 runners over the last two games? He's a SCRAPPER!"

Battign averages:

Fontenot .238
Lilly .259

Submitted by Mitterwald on Wed, 06/25/2008 - 6:49pm.

Off the subject, but do you think we will be players in the Fuentes sweepstakes? It sure sounds like Lou fell out of love with Cotts and Eyre after the Tampa Bay series.


MITTERWALD: I wouldn't be surprised if the Cubs get either Brian Fuentes (COL) or Damaso Marte (PIT) by the 7/31 trade deadline as an 8th inning lefty set-up guy and alternate closer on days when Wood isn't available.

And also either Cristian Guzman (WAS) or David Eckstein (TOR) to replace Cedeno as the #1-A SS and late-inning bat off the bench.

I suspect Ronny Cedeno's PH K with the bases loaded in the bottom of the 9th Tuesday night might motivate Piniella to ask Hendry to replace Cedeno with a more-veteran type middle-infield option off the bench.

I believe Hendry would overpay and trade the entire farm system if he thinks it would give the Cubs a better chance to get to the WS in 2008.

That's the truth about overpaying. With new ownership coming in and the start this team has had, it's pretty safe to say anything short of a pennant will probably cost Jimbo his job, deserved or not.

He has one of the top resumes for a GM today. If we get to the playoffs this year, Hendry will be one of the few GM's who has 3 playoff trips to his credit. The others are:


So if he wants to be a MLB GM, he will be next year. I think he will be aggressive, but not crazy stupid aggressive in order to keep his job.

I'm not sure Guzman will be availabe. The Nationals just offered him a contract extension the other day. He may decline, though, in which case he will be available. But we will have to see...

Once the injured position players (Alfonso Soriano and Reed Johnson) return, I think it's entirely possible that Eric Patterson will take Mike Fontenot's roster slot, at least unless and until E-Pat is traded away in a deadline deal.

If it were me, I'd replace Fontenot's bat off the bench with this guy:

280 .308 .440 .748 (5 year career average)

He's got power --- hit a monster home run off the Dodgers this last weekend--->

C.C. somethin' -- can pitch when you need him too.

I dont know about the entire farm system, but I'm thinking that overpaying may not be such a bad idea at this point.

We seem to have a pretty good shot this year.

What do you think the Cubs main needs are? I'd like to see them add 1 starter (someone to slot between Z and Dempster in a playoff series) and 1 reliever that they can count on in late innings. It seems that outside of Wood and Marmol Lou does not trust anyone to get big outs late in games.

Agree about relief help. All of the AAA back ups (Roquet, Ascanio, Hart, Pig-man, Cotts) that I was counting on have not panned out for one reason or another. Wuertz has been very dissapointing.
-and we have already seen a possible danger sign from Zeus.

I also agree about a starter, -everyone in baseball would like a starter! -but you'd like C.C., not Trachsel.
It looks like the Angels have a much better shot.

I want one more starter, and I'm going to tell you why. While Jason Marquis has hit a nice little run here in his last few starts, we're approaching the All-Star Break.

As we all remember from last year (ERA 2 runs higher in the 2nd half), and from 2006 as a Cardinal (ERA 1 run higher in the 2nd half) and from his entire career (ERA almost 3/4ths of a run higher in the 2nd half), that's when the Jason Marquis ERA Watch becomes America's favorite action-packed thrill ride.

Maybe that's a bad analogy. The Jason Marquis ERA Watch after the All-Star Break would be like getting on a roller coaster, and then going up the big hill. Then the big hill keeps going. And going. And then you never go over the the top. Just keep going higher and higher until it's over.

Worst. Ride. Ever.

Good one, Wes.

Good point.

-and vivid analogy!

Only problem with E-Pat taking Fontenot's spot is that there was a big deal made about Fontenot being able to play shortstop. I don't think Patterson can?

Huh? Fontenot can play SS?

He can barely play 2b adequately.

Submitted by Jeff_Pico on Thu, 06/26/2008 - 10:58am.

Only problem with E-Pat taking Fontenot's spot is that there was a big deal made about Fontenot being able to play shortstop. I don't think Patterson can?


Jeff P: If it's a question of who would be 3rd on the depth chart at SS if Eric Patterson replaces Mike Fontenot on the 25-man roster, I would think Mark DeRosa could play SS in a pinch. Mike Fontenot was never considered anything more than an emergency SS anyway.

And of course Eric Patterson played both 2B and SS at Georgia Tech, so while he would be a definite liability there, E-Pat actually does have considerably more experience playing SS than does Fontenot, and Patterson also has better range and a stronger arm than Fontenot.

AZ Phil,

With what you said about E-Patt last night, that he often has more trouble making the shorter throws because of his over-the-top throwing motion, why haven't the Cubs considered him as a SS? He's got the range for it, so if he's got the arm, I'd think they would try it.

The problem with Michael Wuertz is that there is a certain "boom or bust" aspect to his performances, where either he is very good or he is very bad. And I suspect Piniella doesn't particularly like that. That said, unless the Cubs can get a reliable and proven right-handed set-up type guy to replace him (and acquiring a first-class rotation starter, a quality lefty reliever who can close in a pinch, and/or a veteran middle-infielder to replace Cedeno, are probably higher priorities), I don't think Wuertz will be replaced.

BTW, if Michael Wuertz is optioned to the minors for at least 20 days, the Cubs buy another year toward free-agency with him (right now he'a scheduled to be a FA after 2010, but it gets pushed to post-2011 if he is optioned out for at least 20 days). So that could be a secondary reason to send him out for three weeks (and replace him with somebody like Jose Ascanio, for instance) if he continues to have inconsistent performances out of the pen.

I thought Wuertz had to clear waivers in order to be sent down? Or is that just a formality?

Submitted by Doug Dascenzo on Thu, 06/26/2008 - 12:25pm.

I thought Wuertz had to clear waivers in order to be sent down? Or is that just a formality?


DOUG D: Michael Wuertz only has to clear Optional Assignment Waivers (which are revocable) in order to be optioned to the minors. Optional Assignment Waivers are almost always just a formality, because there is usually no point in a GM blocking the move other than to irritate another GM.

The one time you might see it happen is in a scenario like this:

Let's say the Brewers and the Cardinals are getting ready to play in a big five-game weekend series in St. Louis which includes make-up DHs on Friday and Saturday. So the Brewers want to add a 13th pitcher, but they only have one position player with options left, and he has to clear Optional Assignment Waivers in order to get sent to the minors to make room for the 13th pitcher.

In this particular case, the Cards GM should make a waiver claim on the Brewers position player who is placed on Optional Assignment Waivers, because that would be a good tactical move (and not a nuisance claim) and would force the Brewers to either place some other more-valuable position player on Outright Assignment Waivers or Release Waivers (both of which are irrevocable), or else play the weekend series with just 12 pitchers.

Submitted by Charlie on Thu, 06/26/2008 - 1:51pm.

AZ Phil, With what you said about E-Patt last night, that he often has more trouble making the shorter throws because of his over-the-top throwing motion, why haven't the Cubs considered him as a SS?

He's got the range for it, so if he's got the arm, I'd think they would try it


CHARLIE: Eric Patterson probably wouldn't be any worse at SS than he is at 2B, but he just doesn't have the ball-handling skills to be a frontline middle-infielder whether you play him at 2B or SS.

Arm-wise and range-wise, he probably can play SS. But he also has the "yips," and there isn't as much time to recover if a "Shaky Jake" like E-Pat bobbles a ground ball at SS compared to bobbling a ground ball at 2B.

That said, if he HAS to play middle-infield, I'd probably play him at SS. But he's going to hurt you defensively long-term no matter where he plays in the infield.

He needs to play CF and really learn the position. Even then, he's never going to be a good defensive outfielder.,The idea is to make him passably-average, where he at least makes the routine plays.

not going to happen

Good point about him having less time to recover from the "yips" at SS because of the longer throw. Too bad that you don't think he'll be a passable middle infielder or a great center fielder, because he doesn't seem to have a premiere bat and his speed is good but not ridiculous.

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    crunch 16 min 28 sec ago view
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    Rob G. 2 hours 10 min ago view
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