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Cubs Get Rich Harden

While I'm refreshing Foxsports.com for the freaking lineup like a dumbass, Jim Hendry and Billy Beane go and pull a trade.

The Cubs are getting pitchers Rich Harden and Chad Gaudin for Sean Gallagher, Matt Murton, Eric Patterson and Josh Donaldson. 

Hold on...

(catches breath)

(jumps up and down)

(pumps fist in air)

Sweet.

I have to admit that losing Sean Gallagher is unfortunate but you have to give up something to get something. Harden has a club option for 2009 and Gaudin is under team control until 2011. Eric Patterson and Matt Murton will probably go on to have respectable major league careers and Josh Donaldson has the makings of someone who could be a star...one day. But the Cubs are playing for today...and tomorrow and 2008.

More on this later, but you got to be thrilled if your a Cubs fan. Everyone knows Harden's injury risks, but when he's pitching, he's as good as they get...to a tune of a 2.34 ERA this year and 10.75 K/9. We're adding that to the best starting staff in the NL (by ERA) and third best overall staff in the NL.  

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#1 Re: Cubs Get Rich Harden

Yeeeeeeeeeehaw!!!!!

#2 Re: Cubs Get Rich Harden

Hell yeah! I love this trade.

#5 Re: Cubs Get Rich Harden

Enough to share the love with some writing? Rob's got some carpal tunnel from all the late night IM conversations with Z.

#3 Re: Cubs Get Rich Harden

Gotta love it

#4 Re: Cubs Get Rich Harden

WHHHHHHHHHHHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!

They just had Gallagher on, he was very positive and was cool about it.

Good kid, gonna miss him.

Hopefully I will be wiping my tears with a pennant.

#10 Re: Cubs Get Rich Harden

what young non-arb. eligable pitcher wouldnt love to get into oak?

they have a long standing system to deal with the youth players (so does cleveland and a few others) and that park is a great place to build up your future value with all that foul ground in the big park.

good luck to him...except in october.

#6 Re: Cubs Get Rich Harden

I like the deal. Definitely a win now deal.

Murton and EPat had no future with this organization. If the Cubs were to make the postseason this year, there is no way, barring injury, either would have made the playoff roster. Best of luck to them. Hopefully they can make the most of their shot with a new organization.

Gallagher I like, but for a team trying to win now, trying to upgrade over him was inevtable.

Donaldson: all I have to go on is what Arizona Phil says. Nice prospect apparently, but too far away.

Here's to Mr. Harden and his health.

#7 Re: Cubs Get Rich Harden

Another great July trade for Jim Hendry. Getting a 26 year old ace caliber pitcher who is under contract for another year, for those 4 players might be his best move yet.

Now how long will it take for a Hendry-basher to come up with a reason why this trade shouldn't count?

#8 Re: Cubs Get Rich Harden

ESPN needs to fire an editor.

"He's scheduled to $4.75 million this season."
"The Cubs pay three games against the Cincinnati Reds starting Tuesday night before hosting the San Francisco Giants."
"Jim's been trying to improve our team, and he's been tralking to a few clubs about our pitching"

That's impressive for an article that has already been updated several times. I'm sure they will fix it at some point, but sheesh.
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=347890...

#9 Re: Cubs Get Rich Harden

Awesome! Gallagher is going to be good, but I don't see use losing anything else in the other three, and we keep Marshall. And not only do we get Harden, but also a solid RH relief pitcher to take some heat off of our guys at the end. Great trade.

#15 Re: Cubs Get Rich Harden

Gaudin is a pretty good starter too...not great, but a decent back of the rotation guy.

Z, Dempster, Lilly, Harden, Marquis (maybe Marshall)

Bullpen

Wood, Marmol, Howry, Cotts, Gaudin, Wuertz, Lieber 

Marshall probably gets sent down...maybe Wuertz and Marshall goes to the pen. Cubs would be wise to try and move Marquis for a team desperate for pitching right now and get out of that contract before next year.

 

#29 Re: Cubs Get Rich Harden

The Yankees? They tried out Victor Zambrano last week. Yikes.

#11 Re: Cubs Get Rich Harden

Happy.

#12 Re: Cubs Get Rich Harden

Just one comment. A number of A's fans think that Harden's lost a lot of speed on his fastball. But checking his last start July 6, 95 pitches, 5.0 innings, here's the breakdown on his fastball inning by inning.

1st 91-94 MPH
2nd 88-97!
3rd 90-96
4th 92-96
5th 91-95

#17 Re: Cubs Get Rich Harden

when you use to throw 100mph, 95 is losing a lot of velocity.

#37 Re: when you use to throw 100mph, 95 is losing a lot of velocity

He hit 97 in his last start, not 95.

#13 Re: Cubs Get Rich Harden

Has Harden ever needed surgery for any of his injury problems? Has he had shoulder problems, elbow problems or both? (Or neither?) What are his mechanics like? Would he make a biomechanist cringe?

Overall, though, Harden seems the type of pitcher who would succeed in the postseason because he's a high-volume K guy (though a 6.43 postseason ERA doesn't speak in his favor). And pitchers' K rates always improve once they get to work with Rothschild. (Even Maddux's K rate spiked once he came back to the Cubs in '04.)

I see Gaudin moving into the Wuertz role if not the Howry role.

#14 Re: Cubs Get Rich Harden

Nice trade. Does Harden have to bat?

Good luck, Murt.

#16 Re: Cubs Get Rich Harden

Reading comments over at sfgate.com. A's fans are divided -- rough estimates: about 75% think Beane either got snookered or has given up on the season, 20% think Beane was wise to get something before Harden breaks down again, and 5% think that it was a good deal for the A's for this season.

#18 Re: Cubs Get Rich Harden

\m/

#19 Re: Cubs Get Rich Harden

So, who's coming up from Iowa to replace Patterson? I vote for Hoffpauir over Pie.

#22 Re: Cubs Get Rich Harden

Patterson was already optioned to Iowa a few days ago. But the Cubs play two roster spots down today without Gallagher and Murton. Hoffpauir has been on a tear recently so he might come up and a pitcher goes down (Marshall or Wuertz?).

#20 Re: Cubs Get Rich Harden

Agree with everyone.

Big 'if' is Harden's health long-term. Regardless, it's a solid risk vs. reward move.

Go JH, go Cubs!

#21 Re: Cubs Get Rich Harden

And at this point, Hendry's probably at least considering outright releasing Marquis...

Pie at one point was hitting something like .180 at Iowa, I don't see him coming back up...

#23 Re: Cubs Get Rich Harden

There is no way in the world the Cubs release Marquis.

#24 Re: Cubs Get Rich Harden

Man I will miss Murton. But I have always believed Marshall will be better then Gallagher and we got to keep him. Man, if we could just replace Marquis with Marshall, this could be a great lineup. I love me some Harden and Gaudin is a perfectly respectable fill in if someone gets hurt.

For a team playing for it all now, this is a far, far better option then the other ones out there.

#25 Re: Cubs Get Rich Harden

A few thoughts:

I love getting a young front end of the rotation guy, but I'm going to miss Gallagher. For a 22 year old he had a lot of poise, and did really well at every level. I wish we could have given them Marshall instead, but like others have mentioned, you have to give something to get something.

Even though we have Harden for another year, and that counts for a lot, it seems like the Brewers gave up a ton less to get a healthy, young Cy Young winner. They gave up none of their MLB depth while we gave up 3 MLB-ready players and a top 50 draft pick. Then again, who really knows how any of these guys will shake out.

If Harden manages to stay healthy, I think Hendry has to get an extension regardless of ownership. If he doesn't stay healthy... well I don't want to think about that.

#28 Re: Cubs Get Rich Harden

I see it slightly differently. Even if Harden gets injured tomorrow, we essentially traded Gallagher for Gaudin, and I think Gaudin will be more effective THIS year than Gallagher. The rest of the players in the deal really have no major league impact this season. So even in the worst case scenario the Cubs improved the team and gave up very little. They have an option on Harden for next season, and Gaudin is still under club control too.

The Brewers got CC, but gave up a top prospect in their system for a two-month rental.

#34 Re: Cubs Get Rich Harden

I think the Cubs come off much better than the Brewers. All 4 players the Cubs gave up were good players who can have productive mlb careers, but I don't think its very likely any of them become star players. In exchange they get Hardin for a year and a half. The Brewers meanwhile gave up a real top prospect who has at least the potential to be a big league star, and they get just a half season of Sabathia in return.

#35 Re: Cubs Get Rich Harden

Most significantly, the two position players the Cubs gave up were never going to get significant playing time with this club (barring a major injury). It was smart to move those pieces.

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