It Might Be, It Could Be, It Is...A Deadline to Bid on the Cubs

Crain's Chicago Business reports Tuesday that prospective purchasers of the Chicago National League Ballclub have been given a deadline of July 18th to submit their initial bids.

Crain's says 10 parties are currently in the running; those ten received the team's financial books last month. The paper's source expects the field to be culled down to four or five finalists following this first round of bids, with the winning bidder being "identified at or near the end of the baseball season (and) a deal closing by year end or very early next year."

Tribune Company has announced it plans to retain 5% ownership of the team, which should be more than enough to ensure that Sam Zell will be able to get a decent seat and a cold Old Style whenever he damn well pleases.

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Even retaining the 5%, I expect the sale to just crack $1 bn (Assuming Wrigley is part of the deal... I never heard the full scoop on that.)

The Crain's article makes it sound as though the bidders are bidding on the whole shebang, including the stadium and the Cubs' share of the Comcast network.

According to WSCR yesterday a couple of bidders dropped out due to current economy and taking a look a the Cubs "books".

"You owe Soriano *how* much in 2011?"

So how much is TCR bidding?

I'll pitch in a buck.

I'll contribute rally caps and a rather gay poster named Chad.

Change that to a 'gay poster of Chad' and we might be on to something.

Think Zell's got some interest in something like that?

Who doesn't!?!?!?

I can understand the economy argument, but any potential owner with even a moderate amount of media vision could make an additional $750 million - $1 billion if he starts a Cubs network similar to YES or NESN even within it's first year of startup. From what I gather it's possible to get out of current broadcast contracts due to an ownership change. Though I'm sure it comes at a cost. I don't doubt for a minute Cuban hasn't considered this possibility.

also some Marmol "wear" analysis

http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/article/anatomy-...

I dunno...the Cubs own a big chunk of Comcast SportsNet, don't they? I don't know exactly how it's structured, but running a network kinda means you need to have programming when the cubs aren't on and I suspect that CSN is a pretty good deal for the Cubs, not too far off what a NESN-type station with them as the primary anchor would represent.

Cubs own 20% of CSN... it is split 5 ways between Comcast, Trib (Cubs), Reinsdorf (Bulls and WS - he gets 2 "shares"), and Wirtz (Blackhawks).

The Marmol article is decent, but it would have helped to get an accurate background of Marmol.

He debuted in '01, not '02, and the article doesn't even mention the fact that he was drafted as a catcher and started off playing both C and the OF in the minors.

that's true but a pitcher who throws 80-85% of his pitches as sliders is a recipe for disaster regardless of when he became a pitcher. Sure there ought to be less wear and tear on his shoulder but we don't know if he was a pitcher in his youth before he signed a pro contract do we? With an arm like that he likely did at some point.

Not sure how that is relevant, considering that he essentially throws an equal number of sliders and fastballs.

Further... I would argue that when some becomes a pitcher IS relevant. If Marmol became a pitcher just 6 years ago (and I am not sure about his background as a youth), he may not have the same long-term arm strength as others who have been pitching for years.

While he may not have the wear and tear, he also may not have the arm strength/endurance.

"Because of the wealth of PITCHf/x data this year, we can track him throughout the year and see if fatigue really is the problem"

no you can't.

go home poser.

my god...

"see if fatigue really is the problem"

The first sign...droopy eyelids.

it surely can't be an injury, soreness, a personal issue, a blister, a hand/wrist/shoulder joint issue, partying too late, or anything else.

baseball players aren't individuals or distinctly human. everyone knows that.

i mean hell...i think lou's using marmol too much (though in that article lou gets a "its all good" rather than "goddamn you dusty!!!") but that article is another instance of someone assuming something, presenting it as fact, and giving a few hundred words and a few hours of work credentials to show a point that ignores all other factors which may be influencing the issue at hand.

the research is one thing...the presentation of it and assumptions/leaps taken are absolutely full of it, though.

Hey, it's the Hardball Times "Jump to Conclusions Mat™"!

I disagree with just about every conclusion in that article. Furthermore, there's been absolutely nothing other than assumption to show that his struggles are related to fatigue. Even after that lovely article, there's nothing.

It might be. Or it might not be. I'm sorry, but pitch f/x doesn't display fatigue.

I see on the "RSS Info" page that there are a few ways to subscribe to TCR through your phone.

Has anyone tried these services? Suggestions?

Here is our mobile site:

http://thecubreporter.mofuse.mobi/

doesn't work too great for comments at the moment, but the posts are easier to read.

 

cubs/harden?

anyone else heard? backup?

Got that from another site that cited the score.

wgn 720 running with the story.

sweet.

well...i'll wait to find out who for who.

been nice knowing ya matt murton, btw.

third hand:

Gallahger/Murton/Patterson

If true, STEAL!

espn levin, confirms. 5 people going to oak.
he thinks nothing spectacular, but solid names.

Levine is reporting its the same numbers as Haren 6 for 2.

(Edit): 5 for 2

Watching now Hendry on CSN

Stay HEALTHY Dude!!!!

Will be a quality pitcher. HArden may start Friday.

Holy shit. I leave for half an hour.

My pants are tight! Make it be true.

the names yet...Murton, Patterson yes. Have not heard Gallagher.

He's still talking...

Whoops...

Gallagher, too.

Ugh...

Marshall, Gallagher, Patterson, Murton. We get Harden and another player - haven't heard it...

Kaplan said Gallagher, but no mention of Marshall.

Wow. Great to see Hendry move so quickly, but I hope Harden can stay healthy. Hopefully we didn't give up both Marshall and Gallagher.\

ESPN says Gaudin also to the Cubs and Donaldson to the A's.

Gallagher, Patterson, Murton, Donaldson

for

Harden, Gaudin

-edit-

Love it.

Thanks.

Imo, Gallagher is the only one that bothers me.

We just do not have MLB rotation starters a year or less away in the minors.

I am not bullish on Rich Hill.

Wish it was him.

I agree it's too bad Gallagher has to go, but he's the key player in the deal for Beane. He could be another Nolasco, or better, but there's no doubt that a healthy Harden is better this year.

I think Rich Hill can get it back, and there's no way Beane's going to take Hill after the year he's had. Might as well try to get Hill back together mentally and mechanically rather than sell low.

We got some guys in AA like Mitch Atkins and James Russell who should be ready in 2010, if not the ASB next year. Also Guzman and Shark will likely be forced into swing roles next year (guzman no options left and Shark because the organization will want him on the 09 roster due to the money he is making). Also Gaudin is capable of being a 4th starter.

has never been no to me [financially]. Really tried hard to get CC...

hendry didn't mention marshall, did he?

Yes. Marshall gone too.

espn saying marshall not in the deal

i like this trade.

hate to see gallagher go, but wow...we get a year and 1/2 of harden as long as his arm is in 1 piece and a new reliever who can pull long-relief and spot start that can keep the ball in the park (even if he is hittable...he's as good as his D behind him).

Presser's out....

Cubs get Hardin and Chad Gaudin for:

Gallagher, Murton, Patterson, and Donaldson.

http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/news/press_releases/pr...

confirming what i had suspected: there is a 1-sean rule in the c-b-a. in that, only 1 sean per transaction per team. maybe hendry will slip marshall into the airplane to oakland and see if the a's notice. and leave gallagher at wrigley. here's hoping !

ESPN1000 says Gallagher, Patterson and Murton...no mention of Marshall.

Good.

I guess he was just referring to him.

Gallagher looks like the real deal.

Marshall, who knows...

ALRIGHT!!!!!!!!!

Way to step up jimmy!!!

Just looked at Chad Gaudin's stats. Can anyone pull a scouting report? Is he a setup guy, or spot starter?

Kind of a long guy/spot starter. Gets righties out fairly efficiently. Throws 90 with movement. Above average slider. Walks can be a problem.

Kap, Issacsson, Pleisac, all say - "IT'S a STEAL!"

Lots of choices now with pitching depth.

Can't believe we got Gaudin too. Solid depth.

Thoughts on what roster moves will be made?

Hope Marquis is next out the door. Keep Marshall at the 5 spot.

Gaudin goes to pen. harden will start fri. or sat.

looks like gaudin was a starter mostly last year, 199 innings...

Gaudin is gonna get lost in the hubbub I think but he should not be overlooked. He's an outstanding piece of this deal.

Gaudin immediately comes in with the fifth best WHIP on the team:
1) Marmol 0.90
2) Wood 0.96
3) Harden 1.14
4) Dempster 1.18
5) Gaudin 1.28

I wonder how long he stays in the pen. He looks like he would be a serious upgrade at #5.

Hendry really put everything into this deal. I think Gaudin has less potential upside than Gallagher, but he's ready to help us now.

if gaudin can/could throw less pitches he would be a stater prospect...heck, he'd probably be a #5 starter on more than just a few teams out there as-is.

i hope he can keep his stuff on the ground...he throws "ordinary" enough to get hit...

i'm truly happy for him. seems like a terrific person, and will surely be welcomed there.

Me too. If I were to pick a good fit team for him it would be the A's.

i hope he gets a chance to start for someone for 500+abs.

if nothing else cubs fans wanna know what we had.

the big question on his hitting was always...is he a 15hr guy or a 30hr guy? for the cubs...sigh, ya know.

with the corner OF locked up for 3+ years murton was pretty much "doomed" to 300-400abs a year at most on the team as constructed.

Lou said he heard about the deal only an hour ago

I heard that! Hendry is now the Jerry Krause of Chicago. lol

Harden takes Gallagher's spot. Gaudin takes Lieber's spot? Or Marshall is sent down.

An outfielder will need to be brought up, presumably Hoffpauir.

money wise it's a great deal considering Sabathia would leave for FA and Harden will be a Cub next year as well.

Harden makes $4.5 million this season and has a $7 million club option for next season with no buyout and escalators based on IP.

Gaudin $1.75 million this season in his first year of arb eligibility.

"Scouting Report"
Assets
A fearless, aggressive righty, he displays a good slider and moving fastball that sits around 90 m.p.h. Is capable of getting out of jams.

Flaws
Walks are his biggest drawback, and his lack of command are evident against left-handed hitters. Surprisingly, he's ineffective with nobody on base.

Career potential
A decent mid-rotation starter.

www.sportsnet.ca

Great move Hendry!!!

Big Lead commentators feel Beane sold low.
They figure Harden is hurt.\

http://thebiglead.com/?p=6574#comments

I hope Hendry asked for a physical. That unusually goes unsaid, right?

On CSN in the interview, he said the doctors spent quite a bit of time with records and did thorough due-diligence. Of course they said that about Prior.

Remember the Hudson trade? Beane isnt exactly 100% perfect in every trade he makes. Harden will also face NL line-ups and facing Ben Sheets instead of a DH will save strain off his arm. Also with the option year on his contract if the worst happens, we can always decline it and if he is a Type B free agent offer him arbitration and hope a big-market team desperate enough for pitching take a risk on him. Then the trade is Gaudin and a 1st round sandwich pick for Gallagher, Epat, Murt and Donaldson which is a fair trade. Its really low risk and high reward.

Harden had 4.074 years of service time accumulated going into the season. if the Cubs decline his option, they'd still have him under control and could renegotiate or go to arbitration...or just let him go but get nothing. Like Mark Prior this past offseason...

could be, his velocity was way down 2 starts ago, but hit the mid 90's last start so who knows. Could also be fatique considering he's not used to you know, not being on the DL for most of the year. You could also argue it's money related too. As I noted before, Harden has escalators for IP in his contract and considering his season to date, is likely to cash in on them. Haren's true value was his contract. He was locked in at a very affordable 3 year deal 08:$4M, 09:$5.5M, 10:$6.75M. Beane wasn't going to get the kind of haul that Haren brought simply to due Haren being an innings eating horse and of course under a budget friendly contract. Either way, it's a helluva lot better than Aj Burnett, Maddux, or R.Wolf.

Agreed. Much better than the alternatives.

Worse case scenario, if he goes down with injury, there is enough depth to tread water.

MArshall is a better pitcher now, than Gallagher, anyway.

As alluded to - the cool thing is Harden is only 27, and Gaudin 25.

Demp will also have a B.C. homeboy!

No hockey in Oakland...

Let me be the next to say, "WOOOOHOOOO !!!"

I was walking through ORD, saw the trade on a pub TV screen and had to pull out the laptop to share the joy at TCR. :-)

You sure you don't want to login today as "NO"?

:)

let's move the Harden discussion up there...

Game thread up as well.

ESPN needs to fire an editor.

"He's scheduled to $4.75 million this season."
"The Cubs pay three games against the Cincinnati Reds starting Tuesday night before hosting the San Francisco Giants."
"Jim's been trying to improve our team, and he's been tralking to a few clubs about our pitching"

That's impressive for an article that has already been updated several times. I'm sure they will fix it at some point, but sheesh.
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3478902

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