When They Pull a Knife, You Pull a Gun
UPDATE 4:56 CST: One of our readers tipped us to this fantastic piece on Rich Harden's mechanics (with video) by Carlos Gomez at The Hardball Times. Can't recommend it enough....
I've had a little time to digest the trade since my initial reaction and a little time to actually write about it now. I don't think there's too many warm-blooded Cubs fan out there who aren't happy about the deal...other than maybe a Chicken Little or two that are never happy with anything the Cubs do.
We all know the risks. Rich Harden has all the durability of a roll of toilet paper caught in a rainstorm. He was called up half way through the 2003 season, proceeded to make 31 starts in 2004 and has battled injuries ever since. The list is too long and complicated for me to dive into, so we'll wait for the good Dr. Hecht to chime in on that side of the trade. Harden's 13 starts this year are his highest total since 2005 and he spent almost a month of this year already on the disabled list. But in those 13 starts, he's gone 5-1
with a 2.34 ERA, 10.75 K/9, 2.97 K:BB and 0.58 HR/9.
He once had a fastball that could hit 100, although he seems to have dialed it back a bit this year. He compliments that fastball with a fantastic change-up and that's pretty much it. He'll occasionally throw a slider in there, but seems to have scrapped it for the most part this season. A quick and dirty comparison with some of the best in the game using career numbers:
| Name | ERA |
ERA+ |
K/9 |
K:BB |
HR/9 |
| Harden | 3.42 | 127 | 8.69 | 2.25 | 0.68 |
| Santana | 3.21 | 141 | 9.38 | 3.76 | 0.99 |
| Sabathia | 3.83 | 115 | 7.45 | 2.54 | 0.85 |
| Peavy | 3.26 | 121 | 9.01 | 3.14 | 0.91 |
| Oswalt | 3.19 | 137 | 7.44 | 3.61 | 0.77 |
| Zambrano | 3.37 | 132 | 7.69 | 1.90 | 0.72 |
| Webb | 3.24 | 142 | 7.31 | 2.46 | 0.63 |
| Beckett | 3.73 | 116 | 8.54 | 2.96 | 0.96 |
Not bad company to be in and let us not forget that he's still just 26 years old. He signed a four-year extension in 2005 that includes a team option of $7 million for 2009 with no buyout. But, even if the Cubs decline that team option, they would still retain his rights as he won't reach six years of service time until the 2009 season. And of course, there's little chance they wouldn't pick up the option unless his arm literally blows up this year.
The "throw-in" of Chad Gaudin though is what makes this deal go from good to great. I'll let Buster Olney take it (sidebar):
On Sunday evening -- the same night when word broke that the Brewers
had worked out a deal for CC Sabathia -- Hendry indicated to Beane for
the first time that he would make Gallagher available in a Harden deal,
but it would create a problem: If Gallagher was traded, the Cubs
wouldn't have the kind of depth they needed to deal with an injury.
"Let me call you back," Beane said.
Beane had an idea. He could fill Hendry's need for depth by
adding veteran swingman Chad Gaudin in the trade. He phoned Hendry back
on Monday night with the suggestion. "That could work," Hendry said,
and the two general managers began piecing together other parts of the
trade.
Okay, Gaudin isn't special and his stuff isn't nearly as electric as Sean Gallagher, but he is just 25 years old. His Rotoworld page seems to indicate he'll be eligible for free agency in 2011, but he entered 2008 with 3.044 (3 years and 44 days) of service time, which by my calculations makes him eligible to be a free agent after 2010. Either way, the Cubs have his rights for a few years. And for 2008, which after all is what this trade is all about, he's a good bet to equal or surpass the outputs of Gallagher or Sean Marshall. He'll start his Cubs career in the bullpen, but adds another arm that can move to the rotation if needed this year and can compete for a rotation job in subsequent years.
The Cubs didn't get off cheap though. Sean Gallagher had the makings of a top of the rotation starter. Maybe not quite ace material, but someone who could put together a couple of All-Star seasons. At just age 22, he was already getting major league hitters to look silly this season, albeit with all the consistency you'd expect of a 22-year old. Matt Murton and Eric Patterson were decent players with no place on the 2008 team and no place on the 2009 team either. I'm not sure where Patterson will fit in with the A's right now, other than to make Mark Ellis possibly available. Murton though should get a shot at left field as long as Frank Thomas is on the disabled list. Jack Cust will likely move back to a full-time DH I expect and then it'll be between Murton and Emil Brown. Josh Donaldson was the supplemental pick we received for Juan Pierre in the 2007 draft and someone our very own Arizona Phil ranked as the number one Cubs prospect to start the year. He struggled out of the gate this season in Peoria, but had started to turn things around ia bit in June. So now that Juan Pierre for Ricky Nolasco, Sergio Mitre and Reynel Pinto deal has evolved to Ricky Nolasco, Sergio Mitre, Reynel Pinto, Eric Patterson, Matt Murton, Sean Gallagher for Rich Harden and Chad Gaudin - phew, so much better!
It's the proverbial win-win trade scenario for the Cubs. The current starting staff already had the best ERA in the NL and they just added someone who would top all of them in that category. And just in case Harden does go down, the Cubs got his likely replacement in Chad Gaudin in the same deal. Yeah, they did lose some good players, some of them may even end up being great players, but none that were going to provide the impact and game-changing abilities that Rich Harden can in 2008.









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#1 Re: When They Pull a Knife, You Pull a Gun
While you always hate to see potential stars get traded away, gotta love the club's aggressiveness here in going for the whole enchilada. Get ready for Sutcliffe II - this time, it's personal!
#5 Re: When They Pull a Knife, You Pull a Gun
Sutcliffe 2: Electric Bugaloo?
#9 Re: When They Pull a Knife, You Pull a Gun
+1 to Doug! Nice reference!!
#2 Re: When They Pull a Knife, You Pull a Gun
The list is too long and complicated for me to dive into, so we'll wait for the good Dr. Hecht to chime in on that side of the trade.
I swear to God, if his analysis involves "genetic looseness" I'll scream.
#3 Re: When They Pull a Knife, You Pull a Gun
would you prefer genetic looseness or tightness?
#26 Re: When They Pull a Knife, You Pull a Gun
the guy pitches like a catapult with his upper body and falls/drives off the mound...he dont "fall" off the mound recklessly or anything (like van burren), though.
still, he's pretty violent with his upper body even if he's not pitching across his body.
#4 Re: When They Pull a Knife, You Pull a Gun
If Harden goes on the DL, do we get to put Sabathia in the morgue?
That's the Chicago way!
#6 Re: When They Pull a Knife, You Pull a Gun
The way I look at it: Sabathia is Milwaukee's Zambrano, Harden is our Sheets.
Gaudin doesn't make this a great deal. He makes this a safe deal.
I won't be surprised if in the near future Gallagher is an Ace.
I will be surprised if in the near future Harden is not on the DL.
So, here's hoping he's done with DL this year, our Pennant Year. If Harden stays healthy I think we win it all.
#7 But hey, at least the Cubs still have Matt Murton!
In case you missed it, syndicated sportswriter Mike Nadel's ironic column posted yesterday afternoon.
http://www.bentoneveningnews.com/articles/2008/07/...
#8 Murton and Patterson to the Minors
http://www.sacbee.com/100/story/1069600.html
Sac Bee says they're both RiverCats now.
#10 Re: When They Pull a Knife, You Pull a Gun
"Okay, Gaudin isn't special and his stuff isn't nearly as electric as Sean Gallagher, but he is just 28 years old."
Gaudin is actually only 25. Born in March of '83.
#12 Re: When They Pull a Knife, You Pull a Gun
bah...thanks...and fixed.
#11 Re: When They Pull a Knife, You Pull a Gun
Reason #25 why I dislike our town's sportwriters;
http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/bas...
Morrisey claims the key difference between the Sutcliffe trade and this one is that "Sutcliffe was a horse." Yeah, he was - for the rest of that season. Then he broke down in '85 and never fully regained his previous form - you cannot view trades honestly if you ignore the past history of your own stated examples. Sheesh.
#48 Re: When They Pull a Knife, You Pull a Gun
How about Phil Rogers starting a whisper campaign of "Harden's a bad guy" before he even gets to town? "Another scout said he did not view Harden as the next best pitcher available after Sabathia because of "makeup" and health questions..."
http://tinyurl.com/5pjxmr
How to write a Chicago baseball column:
1. Invent straw man.
2. Make up or cherry-pick a stat.
3. Have some fun with anonymous sources.
4. Complain that everybody talks about/praises/panics about the Cubs too much.
5. Ozzie Guillen's a nut!
6. Repeat.
#13 Re: When They Pull a Knife, You Pull a Gun
Top of the rotation starter? Gallagher will never be more than a 3 on a good team.
#14 Re: When They Pull a Knife, You Pull a Gun
and the Brewers and Rays will never be good teams, right Chad?
#18 Re: When They Pull a Knife, You Pull a Gun
misquoted yet again
#15 Re: When They Pull a Knife, You Pull a Gun
Carlos Zambrano's health tips for Rich Harden:
* Eat your bananas
* Dictate your email
* Don't break bats over your knee
* Don't punch random items in the dugout
* Don't punch thick-headed catchers
... ?
#17 Re: When They Pull a Knife, You Pull a Gun
* Never-ever-ever-never-ever be caught pitching with a towel in the Left Field Bullpen
#19 Re: When They Pull a Knife, You Pull a Gun
Only slightly less known is:
* Never go in against a Sicilian when death is on the line.
#50 Re: When They Pull a Knife, You Pull a Gun
Vizinni!
#16 Re: When They Pull a Knife, You Pull a Gun
I don't know - Gallagher could be a real star a few years down the road. Most of the scouts agreed that his stuff was "electric," and considering the kid's only 22, you'd have to assume that there's at least an equal chance he's going to be quite good soon.
#20 Re: When They Pull a Knife, You Pull a Gun
Chad:
Top of the rotation starter? Gallagher will never be more than a 3 on a good team.
No way, bro. He's real solid. I wouldn't be surprised to see Gallagher represent Oakland on the 2010 American League All-star team.
#21 Re: When They Pull a Knife, You Pull a Gun
I see him as a John Maine. 12 - 16 wins a year with and era of 3.80 to 4.20. Good stuff but nothing earth shattering.
#22 Re: When They Pull a Knife, You Pull a Gun
Why is it that when we have discussions like this, the person who predicts success gets laughed off when the player fails, but the person who predicts failure gets crucified when the player succeeds?
Seems like it, anyway...
#24 Re: When They Pull a Knife, You Pull a Gun
Gallagher - see Juan Cruz
#34 Re: When They Pull a Knife, You Pull a Gun
There's not a single point of comparison between the two. Not a single one.
#31 Re: When They Pull a Knife, You Pull a Gun
be interesting to see what gallagher does now that's he's not working with rothschild.
roths has been cruicial in gallagher's development and mechanics.
he really tightened up his weird/open motion and its led to a more controlled gallagher. he really helped him develop his changeup/fastball location...taking those raw tools and reigning them in. dont think he ever needed help with his curve...its part of why he was so damn promising. he had the fastball tools...he had a developing changeup, but he already had a solid secondary with his curve.
he's not done developing, but it'll be interesting to see what oakland's coaches will do with him. control of his fastball is pretty key. he's come a long way from the kid that just thought he could throw everything past everyone and destroy people's brains with his curve making them swing at something they couldn't hit.
#32 Re: When They Pull a Knife, You Pull a Gun
Rothschild actually told Gallagher to go with a slider that comes out of the same arm slot as his fastball and throw his curve less.
#39 Re: When They Pull a Knife, You Pull a Gun
roths has done a lot of work with him since 05 trying to get him do a ton of things...last spring (07) the focus was control.
it doesnt show at all in his 04 numbers...or 05 numbers, really...but he was REALLY wide open with his motion and just relied on blowing everything past everyone. yes, i know its "weird" to think of a 90-93mph pitcher "blowing stuff by" guys, but we are talking about rookie league and A-ball here...and that's great stuff, especially if you already come pre-equiped with a curve.
he didnt have much of a future just doing that, though...well, not a stable one. command has always been a struggle for gallagher no matter what the numbers show.
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