Game 94 Thread / Giants @ Cubs (2 of 3)

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SP Kevin Correia SP Rich Harden
  1-5, 4.96, 31 K, 22 BB, 49 IP (AL) 5-1, 2.34 ERA, 91 K, 32 BB, 77 IP
       
LF #Eugenio Velez SS Ryan Theriot
3B Jose Castillo RF *Kosuke Fukudome
RF #Ray Durham 1B Derrek Lee
C Bengie Molina 3B Aramis Ramirez
CF Aaron Rowand C Geovany Soto
RF *John Bowker CF *Jim Edmonds
1B Rich Aurilia LF Mark DeRosa
SS #Omar Vizquel 2B *Mike Fontentot
P Kevin Correia P Rich Harden

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Submitted by Rob G. on Sat, 07/12/2008 - 2:05pm
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Submitted by VirginiaPhil
on Sat, 07/12/2008 - 2:48pm

Another good outing by Rich Hill in Arizona today, 5 innings, no runs, 3 hits, 1 walk, 5 strikeouts.

Submitted by crunch
on Sat, 07/12/2008 - 3:08pm

how many pitchers does it take to protect a 5-7 run lead?

Submitted by crunch
on Sat, 07/12/2008 - 3:22pm

unless marmol gets his shit together it'll be 7 pitchers rather than 6, evidently.

damn...

-edit-

wtf?

WTF?!?

sigh...

Submitted by ACFinPGH
on Sat, 07/12/2008 - 3:23pm

WTF!!?!?!?!?!?!?!

Submitted by Rob G.
on Sat, 07/12/2008 - 3:23pm

remarkably stupid by Theriot to not eat that ball. Not to take away from the shitty outing by Marmol and all. Hopefully he can pick up the ultimate vulture win here in the 9th.

Wood is obviously hurting, sounds like a blister.

Submitted by navigator
on Sat, 07/12/2008 - 3:28pm

holds that ball, Cubs win.

Not sure what we do with Marmol. He's not major league the last month.

Submitted by VirginiaPhil
on Sat, 07/12/2008 - 3:27pm

Marmol would benefit from a trip to the minors, just to get away from Larry Rothschild. Rothschild has turned Marmol into Michael Wuertz, a one-pitch pitcher. "Just keep throwing the slider until they hit it. Then throw it some more."

Remember when Marmol threw 97? You've got a good memory.

I'd love to take the #50 jersey away from that guy, too.

Submitted by crunch
on Sat, 07/12/2008 - 3:29pm

it could be a lot of things.

it could be his 49th appearance of the year that he's not conditioned to.

it could be blisters (as rumored by announce staff).

it could be the huge early workload on the season.

it could be aliens.

personally...im betting aliens. it's more fun that way.

Submitted by navigator
on Sat, 07/12/2008 - 3:42pm

Rothschild might benefit from a trip to the minors.

On second thought, keep him away, far away, from our minor leaguers.

Submitted by Q-Ball
on Sat, 07/12/2008 - 3:33pm

Between May 24th and May 31st, Marmol threw 128 pitches in 6 different outings over 7 days. Since then, he hasn't been the same pitcher, and has had an ERA over 8. Many expressed concern about overwork then. Maybe Marmol needs 15 days off more than anything.

Submitted by Bigz
on Sun, 07/13/2008 - 9:19am

agree. put him on the dl and let him rest.

Submitted by Jeff_Pico
on Sat, 07/12/2008 - 3:35pm

Apparantly Lou has deemed this game expendable. absolutely ridiculous that he doesn't take Marmol out there for Marshall to face Bowker. They might still pull this one out but apparantly Piniella thought it was ok to put Marmol out there to rot.

Submitted by Timmer
on Sat, 07/12/2008 - 4:06pm

Phew!

Submitted by crunch
on Sat, 07/12/2008 - 4:08pm

WOOOOOOOO!

hell yeah.

Submitted by Jeff_Pico
on Sat, 07/12/2008 - 4:22pm

Listening to Lou's postgame comments on the radio:

He says Wood will not pitch until after the all star break due to blisters.

Blamed Marmol for the little dribbler and said if he would have made that play the inning would be over. Chalked it up as a 'learning experience'.

Either Lou isn't saying anything or they really don't believe there is any problem with Marmol. Strange.

Submitted by navigator
on Sat, 07/12/2008 - 4:40pm

the kid's arm if falling off

Submitted by navigator
on Sat, 07/12/2008 - 4:37pm

http://www.dailybulletin.com/ci_9858066

Submitted by big_lowitzki
on Sat, 07/12/2008 - 4:42pm

One of the best pitchers in the game? Not so sure about that.

I do really think it is funny that he did something that these other "great" pitchers did:

He is only the fourth Marlin pitcher to chalk up 10 wins before the all-star break, joining Dontrelle Willis (2005), Ryan Dempster (2001) and Chris Hammond (1993).

Great list to be compared to...

Submitted by Jeff_Pico
on Sat, 07/12/2008 - 4:44pm

Are we really going to keep crying over losing Nolasco? Pitchers run into hot and cold streaks all the time. He's had half a season of above-average pitching. If he puts together 5 good years then we can talk about losing a great player.

Submitted by navigator
on Sat, 07/12/2008 - 5:41pm

Did you read the article? It's his pitching coach and manager making that assessment, not me.

Of course they're NOT ALONE.

Nolasco Bandwagon Filling Up -- Joe Fresaro, MLB.com

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20080712&c...

Nolasco goes tonight if anyone wants to watch him. He's 9-1 over his past 12 starts, with a 2.82 ERA and 1.08 WHIP in 79.2 innings. Seems to have figure out lefties recently.

Submitted by crunch
on Sat, 07/12/2008 - 5:55pm

i think you might have missed the point there.

don't think anyone is calling the kid bad or an extreme over achiever...they're saying "yeah, that's nice...let's wait a while before anointing him the next jake peavy."

Submitted by Dmac
on Sat, 07/12/2008 - 4:45pm

Nice "objective" article you linked to, all in order to make doubly sure we know how much the Cub's talent evaluation/trade prowess suck. God, your act is so tired and old - go play in your litter box, sweetheart.

Submitted by Dmac
on Sat, 07/12/2008 - 4:47pm

"On second thought, keep him away, far away, from our minor leaguers."

Who, of course, suck - because our farm system sucks. It's like listening to a Mynah bird - same thing over, and over, and over again...

Submitted by carlosrubi
on Sat, 07/12/2008 - 5:01pm

Canadian fans are funny. Must be some kind of slumpbuster for A-Rod?

Submitted by dc60124
on Sat, 07/12/2008 - 5:25pm

just guessing...

...rich harden is hoping hendry trades for a couple more relievers. can't protect a 7 run lead over 2 innings? zounds.

...carlos marmol is second guessing not taking the winter off.

...lou is upset he did not run the 2-point conversion instead of kicking; cubs would have won in regulation instead of overtime.

...jim edmonds suggests to lou to leave him in the lineup a little longer, and let reed johnson be the 9th inning caddy for soriano when he returns post a-s-g. unless i missed a medical reason to do so, why sit the hottest hitter on the day?

Submitted by Jeff_Pico
on Sat, 07/12/2008 - 5:34pm

I'm pretty sure Edmonds was out for 'rest' he's been nursing all kinds of nagging injuries in his feet and hands.

Submitted by Eric S
on Sat, 07/12/2008 - 5:35pm

Didn't see the game but assume from comments above that Marmol was throwing nothing but the slider to both righties and lefties? dc60124 good point about the winter ball usage as well - adds up to a lot of wear and tear. Hopefully, we see the April-May version of Marmol reappear again post all-star break.

What's the going rate to pick up Brian Fuentes from the rockies?

Submitted by crunch
on Sat, 07/12/2008 - 5:41pm

well, 4 of the 6 relievers did just fine.

besides marmol coming in to protect another 5 run game i dunno why a few of these guys couldn't have gone longer. 3 at least...2 if you don't wanna count cotts who's worked a lot lately (8 of last 12 days with 1 off-day in between).

Submitted by rokfish
on Sat, 07/12/2008 - 5:35pm

dc you hit it on the head marmol second guessing
not taking the winter off, the kid needs some time off.

sean marshall = player of the game
he is looking forward to going to
az. to spend some time with his favorite
news lady.

Submitted by Andy
on Sat, 07/12/2008 - 9:23pm

buckle your seat belts, folks...Cardinals trying to blow a giant lead in the 9th, too...

Submitted by Andy
on Sat, 07/12/2008 - 9:49pm

and they succeed! and lose the game.

Submitted by Hobart Mike
on Sun, 07/13/2008 - 1:25am

Just have to say it...best record in the major leagues... again.

Submitted by RowdyYates
on Sun, 07/13/2008 - 2:24am

One of the things that jumps out at me is that many often complain about the big money multi year deals handed to relievers. (Where would the Sox be without Dotel and Linebrink?) The addition of Harden in the rotation is super huge but it really doesn't address the second issue with our pitching. Eyre's injuries (Lou seems to trust him) combined with our starters inability to go deep (aside from Z and Demp) has taxed our pen.

Would Damaso Marte be cheap or worth while?

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/6261

Submitted by 10man
on Sun, 07/13/2008 - 8:09am

The Pirates were going to shop him until Matt Capps went down. I think they're still going to move him eventually but it's not as pressing now.

Submitted by Brick
on Sun, 07/13/2008 - 7:17am

Was anyone listening to the game on the radio yesterday? I feel like, once the tying runs scored, we didn't hear from Ronnie for a long while. No "Ah, geez!" or anything. I wonder if they cut his mike, or if he had to wander off and collect himself...?

Submitted by Timmer
on Sun, 07/13/2008 - 8:19am

Glad to hear he went and visited the boy who's in the hospital after getting hit by the liner off Lilly's bat. Classy.

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