Game 94 Thread / Giants @ Cubs (2 of 3)

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SP Kevin Correia SP Rich Harden
  1-5, 4.96, 31 K, 22 BB, 49 IP (AL) 5-1, 2.34 ERA, 91 K, 32 BB, 77 IP
LF #Eugenio Velez SS Ryan Theriot
3B Jose Castillo RF *Kosuke Fukudome
RF #Ray Durham 1B Derrek Lee
C Bengie Molina 3B Aramis Ramirez
CF Aaron Rowand C Geovany Soto
RF *John Bowker CF *Jim Edmonds
1B Rich Aurilia LF Mark DeRosa
SS #Omar Vizquel 2B *Mike Fontentot
P Kevin Correia P Rich Harden














Another good outing by Rich Hill in Arizona today, 5 innings, no runs, 3 hits, 1 walk, 5 strikeouts.

how many pitchers does it take to protect a 5-7 run lead?

unless marmol gets his shit together it'll be 7 pitchers rather than 6, evidently.







remarkably stupid by Theriot to not eat that ball. Not to take away from the shitty outing by Marmol and all. Hopefully he can pick up the ultimate vulture win here in the 9th.

Wood is obviously hurting, sounds like a blister.

holds that ball, Cubs win.

Not sure what we do with Marmol. He's not major league the last month.

Marmol would benefit from a trip to the minors, just to get away from Larry Rothschild. Rothschild has turned Marmol into Michael Wuertz, a one-pitch pitcher. "Just keep throwing the slider until they hit it. Then throw it some more."

Remember when Marmol threw 97? You've got a good memory.

I'd love to take the #50 jersey away from that guy, too.

it could be a lot of things.

it could be his 49th appearance of the year that he's not conditioned to.

it could be blisters (as rumored by announce staff).

it could be the huge early workload on the season.

it could be aliens. betting aliens. it's more fun that way.

Rothschild might benefit from a trip to the minors.

On second thought, keep him away, far away, from our minor leaguers.

Between May 24th and May 31st, Marmol threw 128 pitches in 6 different outings over 7 days. Since then, he hasn't been the same pitcher, and has had an ERA over 8. Many expressed concern about overwork then. Maybe Marmol needs 15 days off more than anything.

agree. put him on the dl and let him rest.

Apparantly Lou has deemed this game expendable. absolutely ridiculous that he doesn't take Marmol out there for Marshall to face Bowker. They might still pull this one out but apparantly Piniella thought it was ok to put Marmol out there to rot.



hell yeah.

Listening to Lou's postgame comments on the radio:

He says Wood will not pitch until after the all star break due to blisters.

Blamed Marmol for the little dribbler and said if he would have made that play the inning would be over. Chalked it up as a 'learning experience'.

Either Lou isn't saying anything or they really don't believe there is any problem with Marmol. Strange.

the kid's arm if falling off

One of the best pitchers in the game? Not so sure about that.

I do really think it is funny that he did something that these other "great" pitchers did:

He is only the fourth Marlin pitcher to chalk up 10 wins before the all-star break, joining Dontrelle Willis (2005), Ryan Dempster (2001) and Chris Hammond (1993).

Great list to be compared to...

Are we really going to keep crying over losing Nolasco? Pitchers run into hot and cold streaks all the time. He's had half a season of above-average pitching. If he puts together 5 good years then we can talk about losing a great player.

Did you read the article? It's his pitching coach and manager making that assessment, not me.

Of course they're NOT ALONE.

Nolasco Bandwagon Filling Up -- Joe Fresaro,

Nolasco goes tonight if anyone wants to watch him. He's 9-1 over his past 12 starts, with a 2.82 ERA and 1.08 WHIP in 79.2 innings. Seems to have figure out lefties recently.

i think you might have missed the point there.

don't think anyone is calling the kid bad or an extreme over achiever...they're saying "yeah, that's nice...let's wait a while before anointing him the next jake peavy."

Nice "objective" article you linked to, all in order to make doubly sure we know how much the Cub's talent evaluation/trade prowess suck. God, your act is so tired and old - go play in your litter box, sweetheart.

"On second thought, keep him away, far away, from our minor leaguers."

Who, of course, suck - because our farm system sucks. It's like listening to a Mynah bird - same thing over, and over, and over again...

Canadian fans are funny. Must be some kind of slumpbuster for A-Rod?

just guessing... harden is hoping hendry trades for a couple more relievers. can't protect a 7 run lead over 2 innings? zounds.

...carlos marmol is second guessing not taking the winter off.

...lou is upset he did not run the 2-point conversion instead of kicking; cubs would have won in regulation instead of overtime.

...jim edmonds suggests to lou to leave him in the lineup a little longer, and let reed johnson be the 9th inning caddy for soriano when he returns post a-s-g. unless i missed a medical reason to do so, why sit the hottest hitter on the day?

I'm pretty sure Edmonds was out for 'rest' he's been nursing all kinds of nagging injuries in his feet and hands.

Didn't see the game but assume from comments above that Marmol was throwing nothing but the slider to both righties and lefties? dc60124 good point about the winter ball usage as well - adds up to a lot of wear and tear. Hopefully, we see the April-May version of Marmol reappear again post all-star break.

What's the going rate to pick up Brian Fuentes from the rockies?

well, 4 of the 6 relievers did just fine.

besides marmol coming in to protect another 5 run game i dunno why a few of these guys couldn't have gone longer. 3 at least...2 if you don't wanna count cotts who's worked a lot lately (8 of last 12 days with 1 off-day in between).

dc you hit it on the head marmol second guessing
not taking the winter off, the kid needs some time off.

sean marshall = player of the game
he is looking forward to going to
az. to spend some time with his favorite
news lady.

buckle your seat belts, folks...Cardinals trying to blow a giant lead in the 9th, too...

and they succeed! and lose the game.

Just have to say record in the major leagues... again.

One of the things that jumps out at me is that many often complain about the big money multi year deals handed to relievers. (Where would the Sox be without Dotel and Linebrink?) The addition of Harden in the rotation is super huge but it really doesn't address the second issue with our pitching. Eyre's injuries (Lou seems to trust him) combined with our starters inability to go deep (aside from Z and Demp) has taxed our pen.

Would Damaso Marte be cheap or worth while?

The Pirates were going to shop him until Matt Capps went down. I think they're still going to move him eventually but it's not as pressing now.

Was anyone listening to the game on the radio yesterday? I feel like, once the tying runs scored, we didn't hear from Ronnie for a long while. No "Ah, geez!" or anything. I wonder if they cut his mike, or if he had to wander off and collect himself...?

Glad to hear he went and visited the boy who's in the hospital after getting hit by the liner off Lilly's bat. Classy.

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  • kuhl is a righty, not a lefty.

    i think maddon might think kuhl is a lefty, too. i wonder what the reasoning is for baez leading off vs a rightie.

    crunch 1 min 34 sec ago view
  • "trout's one of the best, and at this point should probably win over donaldson (and should have more MVPs in the past, too), but the defensive aspect of valuing WAR still needs more tweaking...imo."

    that's from my 1st post. there's no suck involved in that. maybe with a few less posts about bullshit that point would have jumped out more.

    crunch 48 min 54 sec ago view
  • crunch - you do know that, taking defense out of the equation, Trout has led the AL in wRC+ each of those years, right?

    And, if you want to complain about position adjustment (which would be serious #crunchsplaining), he's been in the top 3 in the AL in WC (not park/league/position adjusted). And the only players ahead of him (if there were any players ahead of him) in any of those years have been DHs or 1B that play lousy defense.

    But sure - Trout sucks (or at least isn't as good as WAR says). Because it factors in defense and position.

    big_lowitzki 1 hour 53 min ago view
  • early tim tebow stuff rolling in...

    ran a 6.7 60yd (above average)...shagging flies in RF and showed off a rather impressive arm a few times, but average-at best on most of his throws...hit a few over the fence (both fields), fouled or weak contact a few...he's got a touch of power

    it'll be interesting to see who bites on this project, if anyone. he probably projected himself out of RF and into LF/1st because of his arm, but unless he can make that power work on a steady basis it'll be hard for him to play himself up anyone's system.

    crunch 2 hours 38 min ago view
  • LHP Clayton Richard (released by the Cubs earlier this month) is pitching very well as a starting pitcher for the San Diego Padres and could be a good candidate to get traded to a contender looking for a veteran SP before tomorrow night's post-season roster eligibility deadline.

    Because they released him, the Cubs are paying most of Richard's 2016 salary (the Cubs are on the hooks for $2M, minus the pro-rated portion of the MLB minimum salary that is paid by the Padres).

    Arizona Phil 4 hours 25 min ago view
  • it is honestly awesome (for real) that anyone would even have a strong opinion on AZL playoffs. i guess if you invest enough time watching it, you want to see a fair/just playoff structure.

    plus, the kids deserve it.

    crunch 4 hours 26 min ago view
  • The AZL team with the best record over the course of the full 2016 AZL season and the only AZL team to play .600 ball (the AZL Dodgers) did not qualify for the AZL playoffs, and the AZL East Division team with the best record over the course of the full season (the AZL Athletics) did not qualify for the AZL playoffs, either. 

    That's because of the ridiculous "split season" schedule most of the minor leagues now play, a stupid system that rewards mediocrity at the expense of the worthy. 

    Arizona Phil 4 hours 33 min ago view
  • Despite good movement on his fastball, I think location kept him from getting Ks. Left some pitches up and away that got hammered up and away. Then of course Travis Wood gave up the 2-run double in the 7th, but both runs counted against Arrieta.

    Charlie 5 hours 9 min ago view
  • "i'm gonna make you my main squeeze one day, bro. save the date."

    This level of discourse is #charming.


    Tito 5 hours 10 min ago view
  • I would be having this discussion with anyone who (a) blathered on ad nauseum about the topic. (See, "Olt, Mike, not given an opportunity") or (b) responded directly to what I posted (which you did).

    Have a nice day.


    Tito 5 hours 12 min ago view
  • what would you do without me? aside from having your posting content here cut by 75%+?

    i'm gonna make you my main squeeze one day, bro. save the date.

    crunch 5 hours 16 min ago view
  • In this instance, yes, I care more about the result of this big thing that isn't really a big thing.








    Tito 5 hours 16 min ago view
  • Two things:

    Fangraphs WAR #s include baserunning and Hamilton is elite at that. He leads in SBs with the 54 and and has an 87% rate which is really good. I'm sure once he gets on base he's able to take the extra base quite often too. Both those things will up his overall WAR value.

    The differences between BR and FG WAR is pretty well documented online and thus If there are discrepancies it's fairly easy to figure out why. It's fairly well accepted that BR WAR is fine as a snapshot but FG is better at predicting future value.

    johann 5 hours 20 min ago view
  • i have no doubt at all you quit reading at that point. you're very enamored with outcomes without caring what it takes to get there.

    the fact it's exploitable, especially without someone to cover the running game for him, as well it's evolution in how people are testing possible exploits is interesting to some me...i'm some people...hurrah.

    some people want to check the boxscore to see who won, some want to know how it went down.

    crunch 5 hours 33 min ago view
  • I read it as him saying it's not really that much of a concern and that the one time it really cost Lester, vs. K.C., was an anomaly.


    Tito 5 hours 38 min ago view
  • if jeff says it, it's cool...when i say it, it's straight from the mouth of hitler.

    aside from the lack of jeff touching on the insane leads runners take and lester's inability to throw if he's fielding, this is a lot of what i've said about the issue.

    exploitable, needs his own personal catcher to control his shortcomings, relies on his ability to get outs along with his personal catcher keeping runners in check before things become further exploited...

    crunch 5 hours 40 min ago view