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Game 102 Thread / Marlins @ Cubs (1 of 4)

Submitted by Rob G. on Thu, 07/24/2008 - 5:12pm.

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SP *Scott Olsen SP
Carlos Zambrano
  6-4, 3.84, 64 K, 45 BB, 124.1 IP
10-4, 2.98, 81 K, 44 BB, 126.2 IP
       
SS
 Hanley Ramirez
 LF
 Alfonso Soriano
2B
 #Alfredo Amezega
 SS
 Ryan Theriot
3B
 Jorge Cantu
 1B
 Derrek Lee
LF
 *Mike Jacobs 3B
Aramis Ramirez
CF
 Cody Ross CF
 Reed Johnson
RF
 Josh Willingham RF
 Mark DeRosa
LF
 *Luis Gonzalez
 C
 Henry Blanco
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 *John Baker
 2B
 Ronny Cedeno
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 *Scott Olsen
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 #Carlos Zambrano

Word is that Kerry Wood will head to the disabled list afterall, although Gordon Wittenmeyer says a corresponding roster move may not come until tomorrow. That roster move may be bringing up Jeff Samardzija from Iowa, where's he 4-1 with a 3.13 ERA in six starts with 40 K's and 16 BB's in 37.1 IP. I look forward to it if it happens.

Otherwise, another lefty on the mound which gives another day to rest Fukudome and Edmonds, plus Soto gets a break. Hopefully the Friendly Confines live up to their billing as the Cubs try to hang on to sole possession of first place for another day. 

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#1 Some crazy-shit went down

Submitted by Rob G. on Thu, 07/24/2008 - 8:10pm.

in the Peoria game...

Some 17 players ejected, 3 guys thrown at, player broke his leg, a fan taken to hospital after getting hit by a ball and for some reason Carmelo Martinez is the interim manager. Did Ryno go to the HOF for the ceremony this weekend?

 

http://www.springfieldnewssun.com/s/content/oh/sto...

#4 Re: Some crazy-shit went down

Submitted by Chifan on Thu, 07/24/2008 - 9:39pm.

Ryno is in Cooperstown:

http://www.peoriachiefs.com/news/current/index.htm...

As for the fight, I hope the Cubs release that pitcher that threw the ball in the stands. There is no excuse for that.

#5 Re: Some crazy-shit went down

Submitted by Hawkeye on Thu, 07/24/2008 - 10:05pm.

Julio Castillo is facing felony assault charges. Embarassing. What an intergalactic dumbass.

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#8 Re: Some crazy-shit went down

Submitted by WISCGRAD on Fri, 07/25/2008 - 7:13am.

In the video up on the website that Rob linked to above you can see Castillo come in and whip the ball towards the end. I assume he was aiming for a Dayton player just to the left of the screen and must have missed and it sailed into the stands. What an idiot.

You have to wonder if Ryno had been there if things would have gone down differently. It really escalated when Martinez came out to argue with the Dayton manager and ended up pushing him. I don't see the convo between him and Ryno going down the same way though.

#11 Re: Some crazy-shit went down

Submitted by big_lowitzki on Fri, 07/25/2008 - 7:37am.

Sports Center said that he was trying to throw the ball into the dugout.

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#13 Re: Some crazy-shit went down

Submitted by Chifan on Fri, 07/25/2008 - 8:04am.

Someone posted a Youtube video:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=e36dZAmW8JU

If you are at work or taking care of young children you might want to turn the sound down as some commentry is provided by some drunk college kids it appears.

#14 Re: Some crazy-shit went down

Submitted by Jace on Fri, 07/25/2008 - 8:25am.

WTF is wrong with the cameraman in this clip. It is pretty much unwatchable. I have never seen a clip as bad as this, and the fact that this moron thought it would be useful to post on Youtube says a little more about him...
Unless it is supposed to capture the earthquake that was also occurring during the brawl, it pretty much captures nothing...

#15 Re: Some crazy-shit went down

Submitted by Dr. aaron b on Fri, 07/25/2008 - 8:30am.

I'd recommend eating a couple of dramamine before attempting to watch that clip. I'm going to go lay down now.

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#18 Re: Some crazy-shit went down

Submitted by Jace on Fri, 07/25/2008 - 8:57am.

http://sports.espn.go.com/broadband/video/videopag...
ESPN has a much better clip. You can actually see the Chiefs pitcher (#32) throw the ball, then he gets tackled by about six Dayton players, hopefully beaten to a pulp. What a dumbass! I hope he is suspended for the rest of the season.

#41 Re: Some crazy-shit went down

Submitted by JoePepitone on Fri, 07/25/2008 - 12:15pm.

Anybody notice how a lot of the players are hopping around the field? It's more noticeable if you have the sound off -- all the hopping looks pretty surreal.

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#32 Re: Some crazy-shit went down

Submitted by O.Julius on Fri, 07/25/2008 - 11:28am.

I think I saw the Loch Ness Monster in there at one point.

#42 Re: Some crazy-shit went down

Submitted by 10man on Fri, 07/25/2008 - 12:16pm.

Oh cool, a clip from Cloverfield!

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#6 Re: Some crazy-shit went down

Submitted by Raisin101 on Thu, 07/24/2008 - 10:23pm.

Yes, Ryno is at the HOF ceremony.

The video: http://link.brightcove.com/services/link/bcpid1459...

#2 Re: Game 102 Thread / Marlins @ Cubs (1 of 4)

Submitted by crunch on Thu, 07/24/2008 - 9:02pm.

38 pitch save...niiiiiice.

the way things have been going and with the brewers stealing a lead in their game in the 9th...i'll take it.

#3 Jimbo has a sense of humor about Kerry's blister

Submitted by Chifan on Thu, 07/24/2008 - 9:29pm.

"I haven't asked him if he tried the Moises Alou approach. I'm sure his frustration level probably has been conducive to trying that for now. But I didn't want to ask."

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/cs-080724-ker...

Sullivan also confirms the Shark call-up.

#17 Re: Jimbo has a sense of humor about Kerry's blister

Submitted by Ryno on Fri, 07/25/2008 - 8:54am.

Wood frustrated? It's a blister, bro. Go look back at the last five years of your career and be thankful for your effing blister.

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#7 Re: Game 102 Thread / Marlins @ Cubs (1 of 4)

Submitted by JoePepitone on Fri, 07/25/2008 - 12:21am.

Rich Hill update from earlier this eve for Daytona--

IP 5.0, H 1, R 1, ER 1, BB 5, K 7.

He seemed to get better as time went on -- all five walks were in the first 3 innings and he finished with a 1-2-3 5th inning, striking out the side.

http://www.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stat...

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#10 Re: Game 102 Thread / Marlins @ Cubs (1 of 4)

Submitted by Jace on Fri, 07/25/2008 - 7:27am.

That's pretty good news about Hill. I would guess that they'll probably move him up to AA for his next start, though I am not sure there's much reason to rush him at this point.

#16 Re: Game 102 Thread / Marlins @ Cubs (1 of 4)

Submitted by Doug Dascenzo on Fri, 07/25/2008 - 8:50am.

5 bb in 5 ip is good news? Yikes.

#19 Re: Game 102 Thread / Marlins @ Cubs (1 of 4)

Submitted by Jace on Fri, 07/25/2008 - 8:58am.

The 5 walks are not particularly good news. The fact that he went through 5 innings, and only allowed one run are, though...

#24 Re: Game 102 Thread / Marlins @ Cubs (1 of 4)

Submitted by Bleeding Blue on Fri, 07/25/2008 - 10:00am.

If I pitcher I'm hoping will be part of the big league club is throwing in A ball, I'm worried a lot more about how he's throwing than what the result of the game it.

Its all good and well that kids in the Florida State League only tagged Hill for 1 run, but if he's walking one per inning against free swinging 19 and 20 year olds, then I think he's got a long way to go to fix the control problems that sent him to the minors in the first place.

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#9 Pie?

Submitted by billybucks on Fri, 07/25/2008 - 7:15am.

Felix 4-for-5 last night, with a double, triple, BB and SB.

His numbers look a lot better recently -- has anyone seen him? Has he changed his swing/approach, or has he just gone back to what was successful at AAA before?

I was at the ballpark last night - the 8th and 9th almost did me in.

#12 Scoring question

Submitted by billybucks on Fri, 07/25/2008 - 7:56am.

On the A-Ram double where D-Lee was thrown out at the plate -- Gonzo threw to the relay man, who threw home to get Lee. The box score shows an OF assist for Gonzo.

I guess that makes sense -- just seems a little odd. When you think of OF assists, you think of an OF throwing a guy out, rather than using a relay man to do it.

#20 Samardzija not only getting called up

Submitted by Rob G. on Fri, 07/25/2008 - 9:02am.

but may start Saturday...
http://www.suntimes.com/sports/baseball/cubs/10742...

which then would make the starters against the Brewers: Marquis, Lilly, Z, Dempster instead of Lilly, Z, Dempster, Harden.

Brewers I believe will send out CC, Sheets, Parra and Bush.

#21 Re: Samardzija not only getting called up

Submitted by billybucks on Fri, 07/25/2008 - 9:06am.

Strange -- your closer goes down, so you add another starter?

Unless they want to give Harden another extra day off.

#22 Re: Samardzija not only getting called up

Submitted by Rob G. on Fri, 07/25/2008 - 9:06am.

From the same article, the story on the draft violations:

''We just had a few clerical errors in the dates of reporting [signing bonuses],'' he said. ''There's no dollars that weren't spent or hidden or things like that. Two of our draft choices were signed to above the slot figures [MLB's suggested bonus levels], which is perfectly legal. But the protocol of when the amounts were called in were not on the day or two before maybe they should have been called in.''

 And Edmonds knee is fine and should be available starting today....

#23 Re: Samardzija not only getting called up

Submitted by Andrew on Fri, 07/25/2008 - 9:49am.

Can't we rest Harden another series? We really could use every game we can get against the Brewers. Basically switching Harden for Marquis (who now would pitch against CC) doesn't exactly sound like it helps our chances for that game.

#25 Re: Samardzija not only getting called up

Submitted by billybucks on Fri, 07/25/2008 - 10:15am.

Maybe they pitch the Shark Saturday, Marquis Sundsy, then move Harden to start the Brewers series? You would then hit the Brewers with Harden, Lilly, Z and Demp. I like Lilly between Harden and Z -- 3 different looks.

#26 Re: Game 102 Thread / Marlins @ Cubs (1 of 4)

Submitted by Arizona Phil on Fri, 07/25/2008 - 10:31am.

Submitted by Hawkeye on Thu, 07/24/2008 - 10:05pm.

 Julio Castillo is facing felony assault charges. Embarassing. What an intergalactic dumbass

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HAWKEYE: Julio Castillo was at Fitch Park last year, and he's the guy everybody calls "Animal." Why? He caught a rat at one of the other AZL facilities last year and supposedly kept it as a pet in his motel room.

Animal is from the jungles of the Dominican Republic, near the border with Haiti. He is a legend in the Cubs minor leagues.

He got a late start on the 2008 season because of a "pending legal matter" back in the Dominican, but he apparently beat the rap.

He also throws 95-96 MPH.

#27 Re: Game 102 Thread / Marlins @ Cubs (1 of 4)

Submitted by Indiana JJ on Fri, 07/25/2008 - 10:47am.

He also throws 95-96 MPH

Apparently has control issues though. From the video it looked like he was about 30 feet from the dugout when he threw AND HE MISSED.

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#30 Re: Game 102 Thread / Marlins @ Cubs (1 of 4)

Submitted by Hawkeye on Fri, 07/25/2008 - 11:17am.

AZ Phil...
... do you think that the Cubs should summarily release him? I know that he has lots of raw talent, but it is worth the shenanigans?

What do you think of Samardzija's (I tried spelling it this time with out looking it up) potential start? I think that there is no question that he has the bravado, but I question that logic of using him against the Milwaukee Alcoholics...

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#31 Re: Game 102 Thread / Marlins @ Cubs (1 of 4)

Submitted by Rob G. on Fri, 07/25/2008 - 11:24am.
I think the plan is for Samardzija to start tomorrow against the Marlins....if that happens, then it's likely Marquis, Lilly, Z, and Dempster versus the Brewers. Although the suggestion to hold Harden back one more day and switch him with Marquis is a good one.

#28 Re: Game 102 Thread / Marlins @ Cubs (1 of 4)

Submitted by Arizona Phil on Fri, 07/25/2008 - 10:53am.
INDIANA JJ: Yes, Animal does have control issues (I'm just talking about his pitching here). He had 30 BB in 31.2 IP between Boise and Peoria last season. However, he also is said to have one of the Top 5 "power arms" in the Cubs farm system, along with Andrew Cashner, Jose Ceda, Rocky Roquet and Rafael Dolis (or at least Dolis pre-TJS, anyway). 

#29 Spooky

Submitted by 433 on Fri, 07/25/2008 - 10:54am.

How odd is it that until last night, the Cubs hadn't had a save opportunity since Wood's last one on July 11? He is definitely missed, but at least there haven't been any blown saves (or any saves, for that matter) in his absence.

#33 Samardzija will not start

Submitted by Rob G. on Fri, 07/25/2008 - 11:32am.

according to Bruce Miles...headed to the bullpen.

http://blogs.dailyherald.com/node/294

#35 Re: Samardzija will not start

Submitted by Rob G. on Fri, 07/25/2008 - 11:37am.
they seem to be plugging that he's tweaked his delivery a bit to help him hide the ball more as the reason for his success in Iowa.

#36 Re: Samardzija will not start

Submitted by Rob G. on Fri, 07/25/2008 - 11:40am.

Also of note according to Wilken, who saw Samardzija pitch in a game
against Albuquerque on June 29, is Samardzija’s progression with his
slider and splitter.


“There’s a little more depth to it (the slider),” Wilken said. “He’s
shown an average changeup and has a good feel for it, and he’s
tinkering with a split and the split just disappears at times. I would
say there’s good light at the end of the tunnel here.”


“He’s getting more groundballs now because hitters can’t pick the ball
up as quickly. That’s because he’s repeating his delivery better,”
added Wilken.

 

http://cubs.scout.com/2/772252.html

#34 Re: Game 102 Thread / Marlins @ Cubs (1 of 4)

Submitted by Chad on Fri, 07/25/2008 - 11:35am.

With Z set to pitch against the Crew on tuesday, why the F was he allowed to pitch that 7th inning? 130 f#$%ing pitches?

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#39 Re: Game 102 Thread / Marlins @ Cubs (1 of 4)

Submitted by Rob G. on Fri, 07/25/2008 - 11:47am.

good thing pitch counts don't matter. :)

it was 125 fwiw and he had 106 heading into the inning.  I assume a somewhat short-handed bullpen was the reason. 

not thrilled with it myself, but considering we're playing the Brewers, I don't think they'll hold him back the next game. Maybe the start after...

Now he might be less effective, but that remains to be seen.

 

 

#43 Re: Game 102 Thread / Marlins @ Cubs (1 of 4)

Submitted by Chad on Fri, 07/25/2008 - 12:31pm.

as you know, i'm not concerned about injury. but i am concerned about exhaustion.

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#37 Re: Game 102 Thread / Marlins @ Cubs (1 of 4)

Submitted by Arizona Phil on Fri, 07/25/2008 - 11:44am.

Submitted by Hawkeye on Fri, 07/25/2008 - 11:17am.

AZ Phil... ... do you think that the Cubs should summarily release him? I know that he has lots of raw talent, but it is worth the shenanigans?

What do you think of Samardzija's (I tried spelling it this time with out looking it up) potential start? I think that there is no question that he has the bravado, but I question that logic of using him against the Milwaukee Alcoholics...

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HAWKEYE: I think Julio Castillo should be released.

As for Jeff Samardzija, I wouldn't have even brought him up. I would have just waited until tomorrow (Saturday) and reactivated Jon Lieber from the DL (he is eligible to come off the DL on 7/26).

Lieber looked perfectly healthy in his three-inning (33 pitches) rehab start for the AZL Cubs at Fitch Park on Tuesday.

And then when Kerry Wood (hopefully) comes off the DL on Tuesday, I would option Sean Marshall to Iowa and keep him stretched-out as a starter, in case a replacement starter is needed later in the season.  

 

#38 Re: Game 102 Thread / Marlins @ Cubs (1 of 4)

Submitted by Chad on Fri, 07/25/2008 - 11:44am.

Also I heard this elsewhere:

"supposedly before the hit, he looked over at Reed and Reed gave him the signal with his two hands against teh side of his face that "he was tired", DeRosa saw this as the "hands together" signal to move closer, so Derosa took a few steps over toward center. "

Do you guys know about this?

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#40 Re: Game 102 Thread / Marlins @ Cubs (1 of 4)

Submitted by Rob G. on Fri, 07/25/2008 - 11:52am.

this on DeRosa's big catch?

I only saw the highlight, so I can't say.