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Game 117 Thread / Cardinals @ Cubs (2 of 3)

Submitted by Rob G. on Sat, 08/09/2008 - 1:00pm

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SP Todd Wellemeyer SP Carlos Zambrano

8-4, 4.01, 87 K, 41 BB, 128 IP

12-4. 2.76, 98 K, 47 BB, 146.2 IP
       
CF *Skip Shumaker LF Alfonso Soriano
2B *Adam Kennedy SS Ryan Theriot
1B Albert Pujols 1B Derrek Lee
RF Ryan Ludwick 3B Aramis Ramirez
LF #Felipe Lopez CF *Jim Edmonds
3B Troy Glaus 2B Mark DeRosa
C
 Yadier Molina RF *Kosuke Fukudome
P Todd Wellemeyer C Geovany Soto
SS #Aaron Miles P #Carlos Zambrano

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#1 Re: Game 117 Thread / Cubs @ Cardinals (2 of 3)

Submitted by Jackstraw on Sat, 08/09/2008 - 1:49pm.

manthislineupsucks

#2 Re: Game 117 Thread / Cubs @ Cardinals (2 of 3)

Submitted by crunch on Sat, 08/09/2008 - 1:53pm.

bernie mac is dead :(

oh man...

#3 Re: Game 117 Thread / Cubs @ Cardinals (2 of 3)

Submitted by The Joe on Sat, 08/09/2008 - 1:58pm.

Have mentioned recently how much I hate Fox? Well I do. Fuck these broadcasting rules.

#4 Re: Game 117 Thread / Cubs @ Cardinals (2 of 3)

Submitted by crunch on Sat, 08/09/2008 - 2:02pm.

screwy thing is the east coast is getting this game.

9.999999 times out of 10 you get BOS/NYY/NYM based games...occasionally ATL.

#5 Re: screwy thing is the east coast is getting this game.

Submitted by navigator on Sat, 08/09/2008 - 2:23pm.

Maybe you're getting it for some reason, but flagship Fox in NY is doing Angels/Yankees just like the west coast.

#9 Re: screwy thing is the east coast is getting this game.

Submitted by crunch on Sat, 08/09/2008 - 2:56pm.

whatever's going on i'll take it. dunno how they break them up these days but it used to be a 3-tiered thing.

if its more regionally controlled now that makes a bit more sense.

#6 Sports Sync Radio?

Submitted by Doug on Sat, 08/09/2008 - 2:48pm.

I switched off Fox and I'm alternating between WGN and ESPN Radio on XM 183. Both require fiddling with the DVR to synchronize with the Fox broadcast.

Has anyone tried this $40 SportSync radio advertised by WGN? Features a slider control to set a delay of up to 8 seconds.

http://www.sportsyncradio.com/index.html

#7 Re: Game 117 Thread / Cubs @ Cardinals (2 of 3)

Submitted by mattralph on Sat, 08/09/2008 - 2:49pm.

Doesn't look like Z's day today. Let's hope the offense can bail him out.

#8 Re: Game 117 Thread / Cubs @ Cardinals (2 of 3)

Submitted by Dmac on Sat, 08/09/2008 - 2:55pm.

Stockton is truly clueless on baseball - shades of the playoffs last year. He's still OK on football, but please, can't they find someone else these days?

#10 Re: Zambrano

Submitted by navigator on Sat, 08/09/2008 - 3:31pm.

edit 3 home runs Make that FOUR BALLS THAT LEFT THE YARD. Something's not right.

#11 Re: Game 117 Thread / Cubs @ Cardinals (2 of 3)

Submitted by mattralph on Sat, 08/09/2008 - 3:21pm.

If it isn't Lee it's Ramirez grounding into a double play. Nice one-two punch.

#12 Re: Game 117 Thread / Cubs @ Cardinals (2 of 3)

Submitted by Dmac on Sat, 08/09/2008 - 3:33pm.

Z was due for stinker at some point - and here it is.

#13 Re: Game 117 Thread / Cubs @ Cardinals (2 of 3)

Submitted by nohit on Sat, 08/09/2008 - 4:04pm.

Get that slump out of the way now, Z. We need you to be lights out at the end of the season heading into the playoffs.

#14 Re: Game 117 Thread / Cubs @ Cardinals (2 of 3)

Submitted by Bigz on Sat, 08/09/2008 - 4:08pm.

Why did Z stink?
No Movement?

he was throwing strikes. It seemed to me the cards knew what he was going to throw. Like he is falling into a pattern. But once you give up 5 runs, you would think the pattern would change. Any ideas?

#19 Re: Game 117 Thread / Cubs @ Cardinals (2 of 3)

Submitted by crunch on Sat, 08/09/2008 - 6:33pm.

he was missing his spots, mostly. catcher would set up low/in and it'd end up low/in-the-middle-of-the-f'n-plate.

one of the homers was on a hanging slider. that happens.

fastball was giving him the most control issues.

#26 Re: Game 117 Thread / Cubs @ Cardinals (2 of 3)

Submitted by The Real Neal on Sun, 08/10/2008 - 12:13am.

Was he throwing sidearm 91 MPH fastballs or his good over the top one?

#28 Re: Game 117 Thread / Cubs @ Cardinals (2 of 3)

Submitted by crunch on Sun, 08/10/2008 - 12:58am.

didn't pay attention to motion, release, or velocity. spent most of the game in denial.

#15 Re: Game 117 Thread / Cubs @ Cardinals (2 of 3)

Submitted by Eric S on Sat, 08/09/2008 - 4:28pm.

Maybe something went wrong Z's pre-game hammering and piggyback of Godenot ...

#16 Re: Game 117 Thread / Cubs @ Cardinals (2 of 3)

Submitted by Dmac on Sat, 08/09/2008 - 4:49pm.

Most of the Cardinal hitters were swinging at the first pitch (and connecting), and a few were sitting on Z's inside fastball, even out of the strike zone. Maybe Larussa did spot something.

#17 Re: Game 117 Thread / Cubs @ Cardinals (2 of 3)

Submitted by Jeff_Pico on Sat, 08/09/2008 - 5:03pm.

Just one of those games, but Sundays game is pretty huge. Gotta keep winning series.

#18 Blacking this game out was an act of mercy

Submitted by navigator on Sat, 08/09/2008 - 5:25pm.

Thanks Fox Sports!

#20 Micah Hoffpauir

Submitted by Romero on Sat, 08/09/2008 - 7:54pm.

Just for fun-- Hoffpauir's stats the last two seasons at Iowa:

132 G, 519 AB, 175 H, 53 2B, 0 3B, 31 HR, 147 RBI, 35 BB, 64 K, 2 SB, 1 CS.

337/379/618; .997 OPS

(eat your heart out Daryle Ward)

#25 Re: Micah Hoffpauir

Submitted by Romero on Sat, 08/09/2008 - 11:56pm.

I spoke too soon. After Saturday night's game vs. Round Rock (in which he hit 4 home runs), Hoffpauir's updated stats over two seasons:

133 G, 524 AB, 179 H, 53 2B, 0 3B, 35 HR, 151 RBI, 35 BB, 64 K, 2 SB, 1 CS.

342/383/643; 1.026 OPS

#21 Re: Game 117 Thread / Cubs @ Cardinals (2 of 3)

Submitted by carmelo on Sat, 08/09/2008 - 7:58pm.

Hoffpauir has hit 3 hr's in tonight game

#22 Re: Game 117 Thread / Cubs @ Cardinals (2 of 3)

Submitted by crunch on Sat, 08/09/2008 - 8:17pm.

damn.

that said, what would be really impressive would be a 3 walk game. hehe...

i agree with a lot of others that hoff's gonna make a great d.ward replacement, though.

#23 Re: Game 117 Thread / Cubs @ Cardinals (2 of 3)

Submitted by carmelo on Sat, 08/09/2008 - 8:19pm.

make that 4 hr's

#29 Re: Hoffpauir, what he's been working on at Iowa

Submitted by navigator on Sun, 08/10/2008 - 5:51am.

"I've been working on trying to stay short on my swing and not try to do too much, and the patience and practice paid off," Hoffpauir said. "I never hit more than two homers in a game and after the third one, the guys were starting to get on me a bit.

Listening, Felix??

BTW, here's Micah Hoffpauir's splits before last nights
four home run performance.....

vs LHP 0.327 0.370 0.592 0.962
vs RHP 0.368 0.388 0.755 1.143

Daryle Ward as a pinch hitter, 39 AB's, 10 walks

.103 .286 .231

#32 Re: Hoffpauir, what he's been working on at Iowa

Submitted by Mister Whipple on Sun, 08/10/2008 - 9:51am.

That's so refreshing to hear a Cub's prospect talk so seriously and specifically about working on fundamentals.

I've seen Hoffpauir up and down this years in the bigs with a good eye and nice consistency but I don't know much about how he projects long term at a major league level. Bypassing the question of whether he could become a valuable addition prior to September 1, does he have much long term potential?

I know he's pretty old to suddenly be an impactful major leaguer (how common is it for a 28 year old to suddenly find his own in the majors?), but it's not like he's spent a ton of time in AAA. His numbers look pretty good the last couple of years. Clearly we're not looking for a new 1st baseman before 2010. Could he be a good 4th OF? Backup first baseman and 4th OF?

He's really been great this year, but it's his attitude that I find the most promising.

#35 Re: Hoffpauir, what he's been working on at Iowa

Submitted by crunch on Sun, 08/10/2008 - 12:49pm.

he doesnt project very well cuz he swings at everything...good contact or bad.

that said he doesnt have a glaring hole in his swing like dubois had (i have no idea wtf dubois is doing now with his swing).

also the whole lack of speed and not really being a good OF'r plays against him. he's got the heart to overachieve with his body like matt stairs, but stairs is/was (more like "was" the recently) a guy who can reach back and get a little more outta his speed and D than you'd expect given his talents.

as far as the "lefty who can come off the bench, put something in play, and move some runners" guy goes...he's practically ideal and definitely worth the shot the cubs have given d.ward.

#51 Re: Hoffpauir, what he's been working on at Iowa

Submitted by JoePepitone on Sun, 08/10/2008 - 10:58pm.

I've seen Hoffpauir up and down this years in the bigs with a good eye and nice consistency but I don't know much about how he projects long term at a major league level. Bypassing the question of whether he could become a valuable addition prior to September 1, does he have much long term potential?

I know he's pretty old to suddenly be an impactful major leaguer (how common is it for a 28 year old to suddenly find his own in the majors?)

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Well, Ryan Ludwick turned 30 this July and had no regular Major League playing time until May of last year ('07). He spent 5 1/2 years in AAA, batting .285, .303, .271, .191, .266 from 2002 - 2006 before finally putting up a .340/8/36 line for the first 29 games in 2007 (including oba & slg of .380/.642), earning a call up to the Cards in May, 2007. He bats .267/14/52 (oba & slg of .339/.479) in 2/3-time duty in 2007 (303 abs in 120 games). Then he hits like a crazy man this year (.307/.385/.614 with 29 HR & 84 RBI in 109 games).

Don't know if Ludwick has arrived or if it is his version of Jim Hickman's 1970 season -- but it has to give hope to someone like Hoffpauir.

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