Game 119 Thread / Cubs @ Braves (1 of 3)

This game probably doesn't happen due to the rain.

blah.

gameday says the game is postponed.
cubs.com doesn't say anything yet.

Cubs can afford a DH this week....better now then September like the last few years.

first game at noon second one at the time it was suppose to start tomorrow.

Did Pitchers warm up at all?

Marquis starts game one, Harden game two tomorrow.

Bummer. Was looking forward to the WGN telecast. Hope tomorrow's is on WGN ... probably not.

or they just set up a pitching machine? Rsox score 10 in the first, 2 hr's by Ortiz and 6 RBI's. Looks like a crucial error as Feldman got charged with only 4 earned.

Kosuke: "Let's play 2!"

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3 out of 6 days with no game sucks donkey balls. I'm watching fucking gymnastics for Christ's sake.

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No. You wanna know what sucks donkey balls? Try driving from Birmingham, AL to Atlanta and finding out that the game was called after being in Atlanta for an hour.

That sucks donkey balls. Eddie Murphy's balls are very happy right now.

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http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=353201...

eeks, sorry hawkeye.

Brewers win 7th straight. Another dominating pitching performance by their back line starters...with CC and Sheets on the mound the next two nights. Cubs need to keep on winning, or this will turn around in a hurry.

n/t

Question from AZ Phil or anyone else who may know...

An Arizona newspaper is reporting that Micah Owings is one of the PTBNL in the Dunn deal.

Isn't this impossible?

I thought that a PTBNL must change leagues (or not be on the 40-man roster).

Any ideas on how this works if it is a waiver issue? From what I have heard, Owings was claimed on waivers, though by a team worse than the Reds.

UDPATE: Oh wait... he is in the minors, but he is also still on the 40 man roster.

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Jimmy Edmonds hits another one. Hopefully the runs keep coming so Lou can rest some of the starters for game 2.

I like Jim Edmonds

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That's great in practice, but how about in theory?

Why didn't Soto's fly-out to right field score DeRosa? Was it a shallow fly?

Michael Barrett's best year

55R 16HR 65RBI

Geovany Soto's rookie year
so far...

47R 18HR 67RBI

Where's Ron Santo today?

What did Bobby do to get ejected this time?

Remember back when Jim Edmonds joined the Cubs? We were all so happy and welcomed him with open arms. And then we all went out for ice cream...

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For the record I had a 'nothing to lose' attitude about Edmonds. Its probably been Hendry's 2nd biggest move after the Ramirez trade. Jury still out on the Harden trade, but that could definitely be right up there.

Submitted by Chifan on Tue, 08/12/2008 - 11:13pm.

I am sure AZ Phil would know for sure, but I dont think Atkins is eligable for either Free agency or the Rule V draft while Wells is, so it would be more likely Wells will get the call-up, if they decide to go that route for the start, since he will be put on the 40-man by the November deadline anyway and that his turn falls in line with the opening we have for a spot start.

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CHIFAN: Mitch Atkins is (first time) eligible for selection in the December 2008 Rule 5 Draft, and while he is a lock to get added to the 40-man roster, I suspect he won't be added until sometime around the November 20th deadline, when more roster slots are available after guys like Howry, Ward, Lieber, et al have filed for free-agency.

Submitted by Dr. aaron b on Wed, 08/13/2008 - 10:27am.

Wells should absolutely be added to the 40 man at season's end. We can call him up to pitch. Send him back down the next day. Recall him before September 3rd. And he will still have 3 options as of spring training next year.

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DR AARON B: Randy Wells is a lock to be added to the 40-man roster post-2008, so it certainly would not be a problem to bring him up immediately if there is a need for his services.

As you said, even if he was recalled today and optioned back to Iowa tomorrow, he would not use up an option if he is recalled before he spends 20 days back at AAA.

It's probably 50-50 right now whether Wells will be added to the Cubs MLB active roster in September, but he will need to be added to the 40 no later than the day after the World Series because he is eligible to be a minor league FA post-2008.  

Submitted by big_lowitzki on Wed, 08/13/2008 - 8:24am.

Question from AZ Phil or anyone else who may know... An Arizona newspaper is reporting that Micah Owings is one of the PTBNL in the Dunn deal. Isn't this impossible? I thought that a PTBNL must change leagues (or not be on the 40-man roster).

Any ideas on how this works if it is a waiver issue? From what I have heard, Owings was claimed on waivers, though by a team worse than the Reds.

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BIG LO: Any player on a minor league roster at the time a trade is made (including any player on a 40-man roster who is on optional assignment to the minors) is eligible to be a PTBNL. And any player who is on an MLB or minor league DL at the time a deal is announced has to be a PTBNL until he is eligible to be reactivated from the DL.

Any player on a minor league roster who is not on optional assignment off the 40-man roster (as was the case with Dallas Buck) does NOT have to clear waivers before he can change organizations, but because Micah Owings is on the Diamondbacks 40-man roster, he would have to clear waivers before he can be sent to the Reds.

So if Owings is indeed one of the players the D'backs are supposed to send to Cincinnati for Adam Dunn (and it appears that he is), and if Owings was in fact claimed by an N. L. club with a lower winning percentage than CIN, that just means the Reds will have to wait until the day after the conclusion of the regular season before they can acquire him from AZ. BTW, the other PTBNL in the Dunn deal could very well be another player on the D'backs 40-man roster on optional assignment to the minors who can't clear waivers (possibly catcher Wilkin Castillo).

In the meantime, it's kind of awkward because Owings remains at Tucson under control of the Diamondbacks. Of course it will REALLY be awkward if Owings suffers a significant elbow or shoulder injury between now and the end of the regular season. If that were to happen, it's possible that the Reds would ask for a replacement PTBNL, and that could get a bit complicated. .

Submitted by Dr. aaron b on Thu, 08/14/2008 - 11:56am.

AZ Phil, Since Justin Upton is currently on the DL right now. He is a possibility as a PTBNL going to Cincy?

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DR AARON B: Yes. 

A PTBNL cannot be on an MLB 25-man roster when a trade is made, and he cannot play for his "old" team again at the major league level after the deal is made, either.

So if Micah Owings is (as expected) a PTBNL in the Adam Dunn deal, he has to stay in the minors (on optional assignment) until he gets moved. He can't play for the Diamondbacks in September while the D'backs and Reds are waiting for the end of the regular season.  

And if Justin Upton is a PTBNL in the Dunn deal, he has to either remain on the AZ DL until he can clear waivers, or remain on the AZ DL through to the end of the season. I guess the D'backs could send him to the minors on optional assignment until he is officially transferred to CIN, but he can't play in the big leagues with his old team after he is reactivated from the DL and then still be eligible to be a PTBNL in a deal that was made while he was on the DL.  .