Game 125 Thread / Reds @ Cubs (1 of 3)

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SP Johnny Cueto SP Rich Harden
8-11, 4.90, 136 K, 53 BB, 145 IP (NL) 2-1, 1.80, 49 K, 14 BB, 35 IP
LF *Chris Dickerson LF Alfonso Soriano
SS Jeff Keppinger SS Ryan Theriot
RF *Jay Bruce 1B Derrek Lee
2B Brandon Phillips 3B Aramis Ramirez
1B *Joey Votto CF *Jim Edmonds
3B Edwin Encarnacion C Geovany Soto
CF *Corey Patterson RF *Kosuke Fukudome
C *Paul Bako 2B Mark DeRosa 
P Johnny Cueto P *Rich Harden

 That sure seemed like the longest one day break from baseball for some reason. Back to the Friendly Confines, where the Cubs have already surpassed their 44-win total from last year with a 45-17 record. The Reds limp into town, depleted and desperate enough to start Corey Patterson. And in honor of Dusty's return, let's discuss the Cubs leading the majors in walks with 501 and on pace for 655 which would break the club mark of 650 set in 1970. Of course, those walks don't mean much if you're not driving them in. The Cubs compliment those walks with an NL leading .284 batting average and .834 OPS with runners in scoring position. That's base-clogging done right.


Looks like you might need some help Chad. Better get over there and vote!

That tournament is some funny shit...Some of the write-ups are laugh out loud funny.

Well some people are highly offended by it, which makes it even funnier. Too bad you couldn't make it past the first round Manny. I did all I could.

some people are too busy pretending they're running the show to realize they've been trolled...adding unintentional humor for those separated from the whole thing.

whole thing seems to have run its course by round 1.

You can tell Rich Harden is pitching, his opponent looks like Cy Young, not some rookie with a 4.80 ERA on a last place team.

C'mon Cubs

A good night -- Harden brilliant again, Marmol still groovin', Fukky gets a big (although kinda cheap) hit, and the Brewers (Sheets) and Cards both lose!

FWIW -- Tyler Colvin hit his league-leading 10th triple tonight.

what are the odds barrett makes that baserunning play soto did?


Random observations:

Marmol hasn't given up a run in 38 days.

How demoralizing is it to be a Brewer these days? After the traumatizing 4 game sweep by the Cubs, the Brewers put together a nice 12-6 run -- and lost a game in the standings over that span.

Even worse for them, If the Cubs play just about .500 baseball (19-18) from this point on, the Brewers would have to go 25-10 to win the division.

Harden's line with the Cubs: 42 IP, 14 BB, 59 K, 7ER.

The Cubs are on pace to win 100 games. 23-14 gets them there.

Don't tell anyone, but Theriot is 5th in the NL with a .316 BA.

Soriano has 61 RBI's in 76 games -- that's a pace of 130 RBI's in a 162 game season. So much for not getting enough RBI opportunities at the top of the order.

Wood has 25 appearances since Memorial Day and has only given up runs in three of those games.

Good times.

who would have thunk that on August 20th...

the two teams with the best records in baseball @ 77-48

would be the Tampa Rays and us.

Hope I can say something similar on Oct 1st.

...also the play that Soto scored from 3rd on the bunt by Harden is my nominee for most intelligent play of the year. I can't believe that Encarnacion couldn't hear those lumbering footsteps behind him.

Traveling in China for work so no replay, BBTN, or streaming mediacenter...can someone describe the Soto play?

Oh, and the Cardinals lost to the Pirates. Heh. That's gotta hurt.

runners on first and third with one out...Harden bunted down the third base line.

Encarnacion fielded it and Soto basically went down the line just behind him and took off as soon as he threw it to first.

great cubs win took advantage of what was given
but corey patterson should have caught that ball.

oh well

i think the cubs should be able to set there playoff
rotation however they want.
do we think zambrano is still gonna pitch game one.
steve stone thinks if we play arizona we should
pitch dempster,zambrano,harden

what do we think?

great cubs win took advantage of what was given
but corey patterson should have caught that ball.

oh well

i think the cubs should be able to set there playoff
rotation however they want.
do we think zambrano is still gonna pitch game one.
steve stone thinks if we play arizona we should
pitch dempster,zambrano,harden

what do we think?

Memories.... It seems like only yesterday we were agonizing like this:

Safety squeeze bunt play lifts Chicago past Cueto, Cincinnati
By Hal McCoy

Staff Writer

Wednesday, August 20, 2008

CHICAGO — When spring training begins next February, manager Dusty Baker needs to start from scratch, as in holding up a round white thing and saying, "This is a baseball."

Among 16 National League teams, the Cincinnati Reds are 14th in hitting, 14th in defense and 13th in pitching. There are no tangible statistics for measuring fundamentals, but the naked eye says the Reds are 16th.

Dead last, which is why they are dead last in the National League Central standings.

More about tonight's game from an OHIO perspective here (including Dusty claiming he told his infield to watch for the safety squeeze and KPatt blaming Wrigley Field itself for his muffed catch)

Classic. The 2008 Reds are a pretty good imitation of the 2006 Cubs.

Love Dusty's defense: "I yelled 'watch the safety squeeze' to the infield". If that's the case, why wasn't the shortstop covering third on the obvious bunt situation, so as to keep Soto close to the bag? Doesn't the manager set the defense?

I think Dusty meant:

"The pitcher might bunt, and, if it's a good bunt, the guy on third might ty to score when we throw to first. A good return throw to the plate will get the runner. Don't make a crappy throw. So, head's up!" Clap hands twice.

Didn't see Dusty's post-game -- did he bring Darren?

i cannot blame encarnacion for that play....what else is he going to do? not make the throw to first? to get to soriano with the bases loaded? that seems like a pretty bad option.

he basically did the right thing, you can't look the runner back to third bc he knows there's no one behind him....once that bunt is down the only thing you can do is take the easy out at first and then try to turn two.

Most times a bunt is the catcher's call. i don't know where the call was or if encarnacion even heard, but the catcher has to see soto to far from the bag and let his guy know.

"Most times a bunt is the catcher's call. i don't know where the call was or if encarnacion even heard, but the catcher has to see soto to far from the bag and let his guy know."

While Cueto was pointing toward Soto at third, Bako was pointing toward first.

And Baker was pointing at Krivsky.

*golf clap*

I was thinking the same thing.

Well played Andy

as Chad noted, it's the catcher's call there, but if Encarnacion at least gives Soto a look back that's probably enough to give him a pause and keep him from scoring. The play would have been damn close if Votto didn't make such a bad throw as well. I do wonder if Soto or the Cubs noticed on the first pitch to Harden that the shortstop was covering second on that play and Soto could go up the line as far as the third basemen went.

Great baserunning to make up for the piss-poor DeRosa play and Soriano pickoff from two innings earlier...

31 for the division...28 for a playoff spot.

Good write-up by McCoy of Lou's Cincy Days....

Lots of nice base clogging last night - but Fuku may need to sit down.

After last night?

He was 1 for 3, with 1 BB and 2 RBI.

If he wasn't benched before last night, he isn't going to be benched after it.

True, but something needs to be done. This guy has been horrible the last past 2 months.

Since June 28:
.209/.293/.301/.594 2 HR, 14 RBI
Since May 3:
.245/.344/.362/.706 7 HR, 37 RBI

Nobody's defense is good enough to make those numbers up.

Especially not a right fielder's. If Dusty were still here he'd replace him in right with Cedeno.

No Neal, Dusty would just try and make him a leadoff hitter...

At the game last night. Weather was almost California-like (and particularly nice for Chicago in August). Stadium was packed (announced attendance in excess of 41,000) and the crowd was into it. All three pitchers for the Cubs looked dominant. Cueto certainly has a live arm, and he was sort of "effectively wild". He had two HBP and came really close to hitting someone at least two other times. When he got ahead, he threw a few real nice changeups.

Good weather, a great crowd and a Cubs win. A great night at the ballpark and, for me, a great example of why I like going to Wrigley so much.

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  • early tim tebow stuff rolling in...

    ran a 6.7 60yd (above average)...shagging flies in RF and showed off a rather impressive arm a few times, but average-at best on most of his throws...hit a few over the fence (both fields), fouled or weak contact a few...he's got a touch of power

    it'll be interesting to see who bites on this project, if anyone. he probably projected himself out of RF and into LF/1st because of his arm, but unless he can make that power work on a steady basis it'll be hard for him to play himself up anyone's system.

    crunch 16 min 38 sec ago view
  • LHP Clayton Richard (released by the Cubs earlier this month) is pitching very well as a starting pitcher for the San Diego Padres and could be a good candidate to get traded to a contender looking for a veteran SP before tomorrow night's post-season roster eligibility deadline.

    Because they released him, the Cubs are paying most of Richard's 2016 salary (the Cubs are on the hooks for $2M, minus the pro-rated portion of the MLB minimum salary that is paid by the Padres).

    Arizona Phil 2 hours 3 min ago view
  • it is honestly awesome (for real) that anyone would even have a strong opinion on AZL playoffs. i guess if you invest enough time watching it, you want to see a fair/just playoff structure.

    plus, the kids deserve it.

    crunch 2 hours 4 min ago view
  • The AZL team with the best record over the course of the full 2016 AZL season and the only AZL team to play .600 ball (the AZL Dodgers) did not qualify for the AZL playoffs, and the AZL East Division team with the best record over the course of the full season (the AZL Athletics) did not qualify for the AZL playoffs, either. 

    That's because of the ridiculous "split season" schedule most of the minor leagues now play, a stupid system that rewards mediocrity at the expense of the worthy. 

    Arizona Phil 2 hours 11 min ago view
  • Despite good movement on his fastball, I think location kept him from getting Ks. Left some pitches up and away that got hammered up and away. Then of course Travis Wood gave up the 2-run double in the 7th, but both runs counted against Arrieta.

    Charlie 2 hours 47 min ago view
  • "i'm gonna make you my main squeeze one day, bro. save the date."

    This level of discourse is #charming.


    Tito 2 hours 47 min ago view
  • I would be having this discussion with anyone who (a) blathered on ad nauseum about the topic. (See, "Olt, Mike, not given an opportunity") or (b) responded directly to what I posted (which you did).

    Have a nice day.


    Tito 2 hours 50 min ago view
  • what would you do without me? aside from having your posting content here cut by 75%+?

    i'm gonna make you my main squeeze one day, bro. save the date.

    crunch 2 hours 54 min ago view
  • In this instance, yes, I care more about the result of this big thing that isn't really a big thing.








    Tito 2 hours 54 min ago view
  • Two things:

    Fangraphs WAR #s include baserunning and Hamilton is elite at that. He leads in SBs with the 54 and and has an 87% rate which is really good. I'm sure once he gets on base he's able to take the extra base quite often too. Both those things will up his overall WAR value.

    The differences between BR and FG WAR is pretty well documented online and thus If there are discrepancies it's fairly easy to figure out why. It's fairly well accepted that BR WAR is fine as a snapshot but FG is better at predicting future value.

    johann 2 hours 58 min ago view
  • i have no doubt at all you quit reading at that point. you're very enamored with outcomes without caring what it takes to get there.

    the fact it's exploitable, especially without someone to cover the running game for him, as well it's evolution in how people are testing possible exploits is interesting to some me...i'm some people...hurrah.

    some people want to check the boxscore to see who won, some want to know how it went down.

    crunch 3 hours 11 min ago view
  • I read it as him saying it's not really that much of a concern and that the one time it really cost Lester, vs. K.C., was an anomaly.


    Tito 3 hours 16 min ago view
  • if jeff says it, it's cool...when i say it, it's straight from the mouth of hitler.

    aside from the lack of jeff touching on the insane leads runners take and lester's inability to throw if he's fielding, this is a lot of what i've said about the issue.

    exploitable, needs his own personal catcher to control his shortcomings, relies on his ability to get outs along with his personal catcher keeping runners in check before things become further exploited...

    crunch 3 hours 18 min ago view
  • That would be Rice Krispy Treat

    The E-Man 4 hours 37 min ago view
  • "Crunch's cousin"

    Butterfinger or Baby Ruth?

    VirginiaPhil 4 hours 51 min ago view
  • I saw the first three innings and the last three, so I didn't see Arrieta get hit. His stuff looked nasty at first...what happened? Any insight from anyone who watched?


    Tito 5 hours 3 min ago view