Game 133 Thread / Cubs @ Pirates (3 of 3)
Submitted by Cubnut on Wed, 08/27/2008 - 5:23am.
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| SP | Jason Marquis | SP | *Zach Duke |
| 8-7, 4.76, 71 K, 52 BB, 134.1 IP | 4-12, 5.29, 72 K, 42 BB, 151.1 IP | ||
| LF | Alfonso Soriano | RF | *Nyjer Morgan |
| SS | Ryan Theriot | SS | Jack Wilson |
| 1B | Derrek Lee | CF | *Nate McLouth |
| 3B | Aramis Ramirez | 1B | *Adam LaRoche |
| CF | Reed Johnson | LF | *Brandon Moss |
| RF | Mark DeRosa | 2B | Freddy Sanchez |
| 2B | Ronny Cedeno | 3B | Andy LaRoche |
| C | Henry Blanco | C | Raul Chavez |
| P | *Jason Marquis | P | *Zach Duke |
The Cubs go for the sweep, and once again I am reminded that I don't know how to add Rob's broom graphic to the game results box at the top of the right-hand column. I'll make you a deal, Jason Marquis: you win the game, and I'll work on the broom.
As they try for their 13th victory in their last 14 road games and their 14th win in 18 games against the Pirates this season, the Cubs will go with their all-righty starting eight, including Henry Blanco in place of Geovany Soto behind the plate.
I hope Hank got the memo about our catchers being required to contribute at least 7 RBI per game.
| This Month | ||||||
| Pitcher | GS | W-L | IP | H | ERA | AVG. GAME SCORE |
| Jason Marquis | 4 | 2-1 | 23 | 24 | 5.09 | 46 |
| Carlos Zambrano | 5 | 1-1 | 26.2 | 31 | 7.43 | 39 |
#1 Re: Game 133 Thread / Cubs @ Pirates (3 of 3)
It's a "travel day" lineup today, clearly. Good for Soto to have the day off, but why DeRo - and in that case, not why DLee?
AZ Phil, can you add your thoughts about the AZ Fall League selections and why the Cubs chose to target these individuals for that coveted assignment?
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#2 Re: Game 133 Thread / Cubs @ Pirates (3 of 3)
PonDerosa for MVP is playing in right. DLee had a day off Monday (or Sunday?) and his backup bats left handed.
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#5 Re: Game 133 Thread / Cubs @ Pirates (3 of 3)
Oops, my bad. I guess I'm CB Buckner-blind.
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#19 Re: Game 133 Thread / Cubs @ Pirates (3 of 3)
It's a "travel day" lineup today, clearly.
Or just the lineup against LHP, with Soto getting the day off in a day game after a night game.
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#3 Re: Game 133 Thread / Cubs @ Pirates (3 of 3)
Alfonso Soriano, Oh no!
Ryan Theriot no go
Derrek Lee's not studly
Aramis Ramirez who says?
Reed Johnson is pondscum
Mark DeRosa where's Sosa?
Ronny Cedeno is no volcano
Hank White has no fight
Jason Marquis pitches BP
This poem sucks.
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#4 Re: Game 133 Thread / Cubs @ Pirates (3 of 3)
This lineup sucks!
Seriously, why Johnson at #5 and DeRosa at #6?
#6 Re: Game 133 Thread / Cubs @ Pirates (3 of 3)
That's a trick Lou learned from Ned Yost. You set the lineup by defensive position, not by offensive aptitude.
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#7 Re: Game 133 Thread / Cubs @ Pirates (3 of 3)
the ability to bitch about a lineup that scores more than anybody else in the league by a far margin is amazing..
Reed and DeRosa have about the same OPS against lefties this year...
#46 Re: Game 133 Thread / Cubs @ Pirates (3 of 3)
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#8 Re: Game 133 Thread / Cubs @ Pirates (3 of 3)
Don't limit the amazing bitching to just the lineup. :)
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#9 Anyone watching?
#10 Re: Anyone watching?
Lee go to SS drawn in infield.
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#11 Re: Game 133 Thread / Cubs @ Pirates (3 of 3)
Soriano needs to get his head out of his ass. Another error in the first where he took his eye off of the ball and then picked-off trying to steal second just now - out by 10 feet.
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#13 Re: Game 133 Thread / Cubs @ Pirates (3 of 3)
Can we get Lee out of the 3rd hole already?!?
Man on 3rd less than 2 out, Ground Out to SS (We need a flyball)
Man on 2nd No out, Ground Out to the left side, instead of the right side!!
At this point we need start playing the hot hands.
Ram 3rd
Derosa 4th
Lee 5th
Edmonds 6th
Soto 7th
Anyone else agree?
#14 Re: Game 133 Thread / Cubs @ Pirates (3 of 3)
navigator does....
#15 Re: Game 133 Thread / Cubs @ Pirates (3 of 3)
#16 Was that a
#18 Re: Was that a
Yeah, bad bunt that worked out well. Popped up down the first base line but no one caught it and it didn't roll foul.
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#17 Re: Game 133 Thread / Cubs @ Pirates (3 of 3)
Who is pitching? I thought that Marquis was supposed to be in the mound. It looks like him, but maybe it is his doppleganger?
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#21 Re: Game 133 Thread / Cubs @ Pirates (3 of 3)
2nd doppleganger mention I heard today (Rob G wants a RH version of Hoffpaiur), and I am reading a book where one plays a signficant role. Sort of weird.
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#38 Re: Game 133 Thread / Cubs @ Pirates (3 of 3)
Yep, despite the well pitched game by Marquis -still dislike him. He is exceptionally average, but as Rob G. and others have repeatedly pointed out he is a solid #5. Maybe it's his personality/public comments (with a healthy dose of above-market contract)?
I remember him being offended by questions re Marshall taking his spot in the rotation, not referring to his pitching (which was equal to Marshall in ST), but suggesting he'd take a trade before he'd move to the bullpen. Now seems to be annoyed (and not motivated) by Lou's skipping him "to give him rest."
All-in-all comes off (to me at least) like he's entitled to his position, regardless of his performance. Or, it cd just be me.
I guess I shd just accept the (temporary)appearance of his doppleganger with a beer and a "Holy Cow."
#20 Re: Game 133 Thread / Cubs @ Pirates (3 of 3)
Nice that the Cubs had their stopper going today!
I soooo love it when the Cubs win an early game. You gotta think that demoralizes MKE a bit when they look at the scoreboard.
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#22 Re: Game 133 Thread / Cubs @ Pirates (3 of 3)
I thnk STL was demoralized a bit last night when they looked at their scoreboard and saw 12-0.
3 days in a row for Kerry -- looks like he saved his best for when it mattered the most.
I, for one, will miss the Pirates, particularly the version without Bay and Nady.
It has got to suck to be a kid who likes baseball and lives in Pittsburgh.
#24 Re: Game 133 Thread / Cubs @ Pirates (3 of 3)
yeah, kinda like the way it sucked when I grew up in chicago. ;)
#26 Re: Game 133 Thread / Cubs @ Pirates (3 of 3)
Hey, but you had the Bears.....ah, never mind.
#49 Re: Game 133 Thread / Cubs @ Pirates (3 of 3)
Yeah, but the Blackhaw... wait.
#27 Re: Game 133 Thread / Cubs @ Pirates (3 of 3)
Except that Chicago is a huge market, with the wherewithall to field a winner -- we simply had to hope that the owners, front office and scouts would
get their heads out of their assesmake good decisions and eventually get the right talent on the field.Pittsburgh? I don't know man. It's a proud baseball city, but it's really hard to see a light at the end of that tunnel.
My heart goes out to the fans of that team. They're living the kind of hell Cubs fans lived for years, and they have less reason to hope for better.
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#36 Re: Game 133 Thread / Cubs @ Pirates (3 of 3)
True.
But if Milwaukee and Minneapolis can do it, I have to think that Pittsburgh could too. Its just a question of ownership I guess.
btw, it seemed that the Pirates routinely whupped the Cubs in the 70s and 80s, and I believe took a couple WSs too.
So all those poor Pirate fans can get in line behind me!
#48 Re: Game 133 Thread / Cubs @ Pirates (3 of 3)
And then you see they may not have signed their top draft pick:
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=355613...
New cast, same story?
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#23 Re: Game 133 Thread / Cubs @ Pirates (3 of 3)
Updating Cubnut's numbers after the game:
This Month:
Pitcher: GS | W-L | IP | H | ERA | AVG. GAME SCORE
Jason Marquis: 5 | 3-1 | 30 | 29 | 3.90 | 50
Carlos Zambrano: 5 | 1-1 | 26.2 | 31 | 7.43 | 39
Props to Jason, concern for Carlos.
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#25 Re: Game 133 Thread / Cubs @ Pirates (3 of 3)
Cubs have now won 13 of their last 14 road games.
"Holy Cow!" or "Hey! Hey!" or some such thing.
#28 Re: Game 133 Thread / Cubs @ Pirates (3 of 3)
Well, Cubs can go 2-27 and match last years division championship performance.
Something leads me to believe it will take more than 85 to win the division this year.
If Cubs go 8-21, Cards and Phils would need to go 18-11 to tie.
I like the Cubs chances of making the playoffs this year.
#29 Re: Game 133 Thread / Cubs @ Pirates (3 of 3)
FWIW, as of this morning (pre-game) in their "play the rest of the season a million times simulation", BP had the Cubs at a 99.46249% chance of making the playoffs, 88.42067% of winning the division.
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#33 Re: Game 133 Thread / Cubs @ Pirates (3 of 3)
yup, I basically check out those playoff odds every day through the year. Obviously, I check out the ESPN ones to.
Yeah, if the Cubs don't make the playoffs, it will be a complete disaster. However, I believe the Mets were up above 99% last year and...while I'm not sure anyone tracked it, I'm sure the Angels were in 1995 (or whenever that was) when they had a 12 game lead over the Mariners in Mid August only to blow it and lose the tie-breaker game to Randy Johnson.
#30 Re: Game 133 Thread / Cubs @ Pirates (3 of 3)
I'm old enough to remember when the Pirates were perenially near or at the top of the National League - teams that had Manny Sanguillen, Willie Stargell, Clemente and so many others. If they had proper management at the top, they could be very competitive. But Dave Littlefield wasn't the right guy, and did some damage for which they'll need some time to recover.
#31 Re: Game 133 Thread / Cubs @ Pirates (3 of 3)
They were even good as recently as the Killer B's years, but it seems like the finances of the game have evolved now to the point where it will be difficult to build a strong core of players there again.
No doubt that Littlefield made things worse than they had to be. Fortunately, the Cubs were able to benefit from some of his blundering.
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#32 Re: Game 133 Thread / Cubs @ Pirates (3 of 3)
The Killer B's were the Astros, weren't they?
Not sure if they brought enough high impact guys in in this years deals, but yeah, better than Littlefield did. You can only hope he and Dusty can hook up down the line to form a dynamic duo of crappy management somewhere in the NL Central.
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#39 Re: Game 133 Thread / Cubs @ Pirates (3 of 3)
Yeah, Pittsburgh had the original Killer B's (as far as I know) in the early 90's. Bonds, Bonilla, Bream, Bell... Belliard & Backman, too, although their killer quotient is questionable. All those guys, plus Andy Van Slyke and Jeff King. Pretty solid team.
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#35 Re: Game 133 Thread / Cubs @ Pirates (3 of 3)
the finances were good enough to get them a new stadium. You can't use financial hardships as an excuse for 15+ years though.
Btw, wasn't Littlefield hired by the Cubs as a scout or something?
#37 Re: Game 133 Thread / Cubs @ Pirates (3 of 3)
here it is...
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/wire?section=mlb&id...
I assume Hendry was tired losing at poker every week against the rest of the Cubs staff and needed someone around he could beat.
#40 Re: Game 133 Thread / Cubs @ Pirates (3 of 3)
Unless I'm mistaken, the financing of PNC park by the public was engineered over their objections, which had been expressed through the rejection of a public referendum. Again perhaps mistaken, but the same true for Heinz field I believe.
Thus the understandable public disgust at the continued "unwillingness of Pirates ownership to field a winning ballclub" as if it is ever this formulaically simple.
As an adopted Pittsburgher now for eight years, IMHO the disillusionment with the team has reached a "steady state" and you're looking at the continuing model for "how to make a neat profit from MLB profit sharing" which isn't likely to change any time soon. The owners know they put a stinker on the field, but can now count on a finite but steady amount of ticket sales due to promotions and an increasing proportion of fans who turn out to see the OTHER TEAM. [Last night was no exception- easily majority vocal Cubs fans, even Santo commented on it today during the broadcast.] Add in the MLB cash to the predictable amount of red ink, and they're in the black to an extent they're apparently happy with?
When the season ticket sales and attendance continue to slide (as they have since the 2006 ASG) then ownership's response: this ain't coming out of our pockets, we're going "youth" and letting big payroll go.
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#43 Re: Game 133 Thread / Cubs @ Pirates (3 of 3)
Regardless of payroll, if you have a losing record for 16 straight years, your front office is just awful. If you're drafting in the top 5 every single year, you should eventually get some impact players. And then if you can't pay them, you trade them for more young, impact players. That's where the Pirates have continually fucked up.
Trading a young, 36-homer 100 RBI Aramis for Bobby Freakin Hill is the perfect example, and I'm sure there have been plenty more I'm not aware of. Did they even get anyone decent for Bay? I'm sure in the next year or two they'll trade away McClouth for some shit too.
#41 Re: Game 133 Thread / Cubs @ Pirates (3 of 3)
Btw, wasn't Littlefield hired by the Cubs as a scout or something?
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Rob, you hit that one out of the park!
Right now, as I type, there is a round of golf going on with Ed Lynch, Grady Little, Dave Littlefield and Hendry is fleecing ALL those bobo's out of their milk money.
two littles and a lynch...as Jack Brickhouse would say...whooooboy!
it's an honorary position I'm told, and they do have to wear Cub Scout uniforms for their golf outings.
http://www.scoutstuff.org/BSASupply/ItemDetail.asp...
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#42 Re: Game 133 Thread / Cubs @ Pirates (3 of 3)
I heard that McClatchy eventually resorted to having a block put on Littlefield's phone to prevent Hendry's calls from getting through.
;-)
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#45 Re: Game 133 Thread / Cubs @ Pirates (3 of 3)
parachat for the screwers/fartinals anyone?
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#47 Re: Game 133 Thread / Cubs @ Pirates (3 of 3)
personally i ike b. moss who came over in bay deal
alos whenever i here sister sledge
WE ARE FAMILY
i think of the 79 pirates stargell parker hebner
moreno sanguillen and so on