Game 140 Thread / Astros @ Cubs (3 of 3)
Submitted by Rob G. on Wed, 09/03/2008 - 4:51pm.
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| SP | *Randy Wolf |
SP | Ryan Dempster |
| 8-11, 4.73, 134 K, 64 BB, 158 IP |
15-5, 2.95, 160 K, 69 BB, 176.2 IP |
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| CF |
*Michael Bourn | LF |
Alfonso Soriano |
| LF |
Ty Wigginton | SS | Ryan Theriot |
| SS | Miguel Tejada |
1B |
Derrek Lee |
| 1B | #Lance Berkman |
3B |
Aramis Ramirez |
| 3B |
#Geoff Blum |
C | Geovany Soto |
| RF |
Hunter Pence |
RF | Mark DeRosa |
| 2B |
*David Newhan | CF |
Reed Johnson |
| C |
Humberto Quintero | 2B | Ronny Cedeno |
| P | *Randy Wolf |
P | Ryan Dempster |
Please.Win.This.Game.
Some stuff you may have missed in the comments or previous posts...
- Sean Marshall will take Zambrano's spot in the rotation on Sunday. Z did see the doctor today and was scheduled for an MRI, but for some reason did not show up for the MRI. It's been rescheduled for tomorrow.
- Kevin Hart has been called up.
- The Brewers already lost 9-2 this afternoon.
- Lou says Rich Harden is experiencing shoulder discomfort; although Hendry and Harden insist nothing is wrong at all.
- Iowa and Daytona start their playoff series tonight. Daytona was supposed to start yesterday and was down 4-0 early, but the game ended up being rained out before becoming official.
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#2 re: Z
"He was supposed to take an MRI today, but he didn't," Piniella said. "It was available to him."
mark prior approves.
#4 Re: Game 140 Thread / Astros @ Cubs (3 of 3)
it's obviously being implied that he's getting an MRI of his right shoulder, but we might be surprised that it could be an MRI of his neck or his elbow. Particularly since he had an MRI-arthrogram of his right shoulder in June (which is the most informative diagnostic testing short of a shoulder arthroscopy). The MRI can image various body parts so saying he's getting an MRI is like saying it will be 80 degrees tomorrow without saying where.
I hate this minimal disclosure stuff when it comes to baseball players.
"it's a shoulder"
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#5 Re: Game 140 Thread / Astros @ Cubs (3 of 3)
http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=2...
When pressed as to why Zambrano didn't have the MRI Wednesday, Piniella said, "I don't think Carlos was available today to take it."
whatever the fuck that means...
"I don't have any answers for you," Piniella said. "I wish I did. I'd like to have clarification myself. I don't want to lie to you; I want to be as truthful as I can."
#15 Re: Game 140 Thread / Astros @ Cubs (3 of 3)
Let's wait till we find out what really happened. For all we know he had a family emergency or something and I always put those ahead of work.
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#6 Re: Game 140 Thread / Astros @ Cubs (3 of 3)
All righty lineup....even against a lefty, I'm never sure how wise that is.
A win would be really, really, nice here.
Brewers I'm sure looking forward to getting on track at home beating up on the Padres and Reds, while we are on the road in Cincy and STL.
#10 Re: Game 140 Thread / Astros @ Cubs (3 of 3)
we've been better on the road lately...14-5 since the break.
14-11 at home.
#13 Re: Game 140 Thread / Astros @ Cubs (3 of 3)
Probably more of a sign of the competition than the location...but I'd still prefer not to be on the road for 16 of the final 22.
#8 Re: Game 140 Thread / Astros @ Cubs (3 of 3)
Who needs Z when you have Darth Vader on your side? (see 9/16)
http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/schedule/index.jsp?c_i...
#9 Daytona up
#12 Re: Game 140 Thread / Astros @ Cubs (3 of 3)
behind at home for the 7th straight game.
#14 Re: Game 140 Thread / Astros @ Cubs (3 of 3)
Is Carlos in uniform at the game? Anyone see him yet?
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#23 Re: Game 140 Thread / Astros @ Cubs (3 of 3)
Lou in the postgame interview said "I haven't seen Carlos, he wasn't here tonight"
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#25 Re: Game 140 Thread / Astros @ Cubs (3 of 3)
Where in the world is Carmen Zambrano?
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#32 Re: Game 140 Thread / Astros @ Cubs (3 of 3)
Well, our manager not seemingly knowing where our "star" pitcher is, is not a good thing. So the Zambrano AWOL count is up to Day 1. I wonder if the Trib will have that counter on the front page with the Cubs magic number...:)
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#38 Re: Game 140 Thread / Astros @ Cubs (3 of 3)
you can get fined/restricted for that.
what's up with that?
#43 Re: Game 140 Thread / Astros @ Cubs (3 of 3)
It's a good thing he wasn't told he had the day off and showed up for a little while. Then he would be the worst demon in the history of Chicago Cubs baseball.
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#16 Re: Game 140 Thread / Astros @ Cubs (3 of 3)
As difficult as this current losing streak has been to take, it's kind of funny how the magic numbers have continued to go down in the middle of it. Brewers fans must be banging their heads against the wall because they've also run into a hot team and haven't gained much ground.
Brewers get swept by the Mets 6-2.
Phillies losing to the Nats 9-5 in the 9th.
So the magic number for the division goes to 18
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#18 Re: Game 140 Thread / Astros @ Cubs (3 of 3)
19 already takes into account Brewers loss.
So assuming no 9th inning miracle, Magic numbers will be 19 and 14.
But, at the moment I don't care about magic numbers...this was a great opportunity to bury the Brewers ahead of a long tough roadtrip...Cubs didn't do it, they've been playing crappy baseball, and we have major injury concerns to boot.
If I were the Brewers, I'd feel preety good about taking on the Mets and not losing any ground with 13 games remaining against the Reds/Padres and Pirates.
#21 Re: Game 140 Thread / Astros @ Cubs (3 of 3)
NOBODY would feel pretty good after getting swept at home in a September playoff race. Not the Cubs, not the Brewers. Absolutely nobody.
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#47 Re: Game 140 Thread / Astros @ Cubs (3 of 3)
Considering they were swept, I'm guessing they feel like it's still there for the taking. That was my entire point, and I think you knew that.
#22 Re: Game 140 Thread / Astros @ Cubs (3 of 3)
Doesn't anybody want to be in the playoffs?
- Phils lose 2 of 3 to Nats.
- Brewers swept at home.
- Cards give up 2 in the ninth to lose.
- Cubs swept (and shut out twice) at home by the Carlos Lee-less Astros.
A complete game shutout by Randy Wolf? Very funny if it weren't so tragically sad.
One thing is obvious -- the patsy August schedule artificially inflated everyone's opinion of this team. ESPN called them the favorites to win the WS, and Eric Karros said Saturday on FOX: "I don't see a single weakness in this team". Look again, Eric.
Amazing how quickly things change:
Five games ago, 95 wins seemed like a lock (only had to go 10-17!) Now, given the schedule and the way they are playing, it seems like a stretch.
Tomorrow's off-day is going to seem very, very long.
#44 Re: Game 140 Thread / Astros @ Cubs (3 of 3)
The NL Playoffs are becoming baseball's version of the 'Take my wife... please, take her' joke.
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#17 Re: Game 140 Thread / Astros @ Cubs (3 of 3)
I'm curious for those of you who saw Cedeno thrown out at home? (you can see it on MLB.com gameday).
It looked like a close play, and maybe the catcher missed him.
But I'm curious: Catchers can block the plate obviously, but Quintero actually kicked out his leg and more or less tripped or attempted to trip Cedeno. Is that legal? It's one thing to block the plate but seems another to kick out at a runner out of your path.
#19 Re: Game 140 Thread / Astros @ Cubs (3 of 3)
also I get the feeling Lou might be wishing he bunted with Soriano (or put in someone who could bunt last night) in the 10th inning with runners on 1st and 2nd and nobody out. The overall cub performance these last five days has been rough, but last night was a disaster in both player performance and manager decision making. And I'm a BIG Lou fan . . .
#26 Re: Game 140 Thread / Astros @ Cubs (3 of 3)
Still say the DPLee AB in the 8th last night was the back-breaker. You would think a veteran would have more of a clue than to bail out an imploding pitcher (who just walked the bases loaded and walked the previous hitter on 4 straight) by swinging at a 1-0 pitch that is low in the zone. The Cubs still haven't recovered. Get a ball you can hit in the air, dummy. You were ahead in the count. That really, really reminded me of the old clueless Cubbery.
Also agree they should have bunted in the 10th. They needed one run, not 3.
#30 Re: Game 140 Thread / Astros @ Cubs (3 of 3)
bucks,
that's a perfect description of what bothered me about DLee's atbat. So many things wrong with it. One: make the pitcher get a pitch over the plate. Two: Why swing at low ball when you need a ball in the air. Three: Don't act desperate when the pitcher is in trouble.
that said I felt like Lou had his worst game of the season:
Howry: WHy? he should be our long relief in a blowout guy.And we're on a losing streak.
Rookie McGehee: 1st at bat of season pinch hitting in 9th - of course he's gonna strike out
Kerry Wood: 2 innings? Closers never excels in tied games
DLee: Why not have take sign on?
Soriano: bunt the damn ball. we're struggling and need a win. 2 on nobody out. already had hard night. end the game.
#20 Re: Game 140 Thread / Astros @ Cubs (3 of 3)
Cubs just got dominated by Randy Wolf.
2-5 homestand. Losing late in all 7 games.
scored 3 or less in 5 of 7 games.
Hopefully a day off does them some good.
Bad, bad, baseball.
#24 Re: Game 140 Thread / Astros @ Cubs (3 of 3)
Really bad baseball and you could see that the streak has taken it's toll on the minds of the players. Way too many fundamental errors in all aspects of play. This is just one of those bad streaks when the offense, defense and pitching are all struggling at the same time. It's not gonna last though and this ship will be righted soon enough. A much needed day off to clear heads (both for the team and the headless chickens on the board).
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#27 Re: Game 140 Thread / Astros @ Cubs (3 of 3)
10man-
I really, really hope you are right, and think you probably are.
Worried, though, that pressure is getting to them. Lou getting snippy with the media isn't helping.
For the superstitious among us -- Cubs are 0-5 since the Trib starting putting the magic number on the front page of the sports section. Like the SI and Madden curses, probaly nothing to it, but, still...5 straight at home?
I really hate losing to the astros -- they alwys seem to laugh and celebrate more than other teams when they beat the Cubs.
#28 Re: Game 140 Thread / Astros @ Cubs (3 of 3)
I see that the Dodgers have won 4 straight after a long losing streak...
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#31 Re: Game 140 Thread / Astros @ Cubs (3 of 3)
...and our equivalent of Manny would be?
#35 Re: Game 140 Thread / Astros @ Cubs (3 of 3)
HOFF-POWER!! to the rescue. You'll see. He's gonna be our new Ne!f!-in-a-bottle
Of course, even as hot as Manny has been, he still couldn't stop the Dodgers from losing 8 in a row. So much for needing someone to carry a team on it's back. Winning IS and will always be a team effort. (Unless you have HOFF-POWER!! That dude can win games single-handedly).
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#29 Re: Game 140 Thread / Astros @ Cubs (3 of 3)
Disappointed. I expect better.
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#33 Re: Game 140 Thread / Astros @ Cubs (3 of 3)
lol... this is how bored I was during the game tonight...
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#36 Re: Game 140 Thread / Astros @ Cubs (3 of 3)
lmao 10-man
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#37 Re: Game 140 Thread / Astros @ Cubs (3 of 3)
Hah! One of our douche nominees should post a similar question about how to not be a douche. :-)
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#39 Re: Game 140 Thread / Astros @ Cubs (3 of 3)
If it's not about Bristol Palin, I ain't clicking.
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#41 Re: Game 140 Thread / Astros @ Cubs (3 of 3)
HA! Sorry Carlos. :(
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#34 Re: Game 140 Thread / Astros @ Cubs (3 of 3)
Sabathia still pitched 1 hitter.
official scoring of the infield hit upheld.
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz....
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#40 Re: Game 140 Thread / Astros @ Cubs (3 of 3)
count me in on the hoffpauer sighting
lets get him some at bats in cincinnati
lee needs sometime off
the cubs are hiding something about
carlos you pay the guy how many million
a year my guess is he was seeing a docter
in (alabama maybe) hope not but?
i also think we could be surprised by
what marshall does starting.
wow and how about reed johnson has sucked
recently i bet felix pie could of done better
at bat this homestand,and that is definately
a low blow to johnson
#42 Re: Game 140 Thread / Astros @ Cubs (3 of 3)
Yep -surprised at how bad Marshall was at getting us behind the 8-ball at a game I was at last week.
3-0 in the first inning...
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#45 Re: Game 140 Thread / Astros @ Cubs (3 of 3)
In Marshall's defense - what they're asking him to do - start once every two or three weeks and then come out of the bullpen for a couple of innings a week is not an easy task.
One might have hoped that the mentally and apparently physically challenged Rich Hill might have been able to escape his straightjacket by Labot Day but... no.
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#46 In good news..
besides our magic numbers going down today...Iowa and Daytona both won their playoff games.
Daytona's 6-run 8th inning that helped them to a 10-9 win:
Daytona Top 8th
#48 Re: In good news..
And Rocky Roquet
Came up from Double A
Only to face Max Ramirez
He said 'Rocky' you've met your match
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A hit, no matter what your manager says'
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