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Game 141 Thread / Cubs @ Reds (1 of 3)

Submitted by Cubnut on Fri, 09/05/2008 - 3:56pm

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SP *Ted Lilly SP Bronson Arroyo

13-8, 4.23, 160 K, 57 BB, 174.2 IP
13-10, 4.97, 137 K, 57 BB, 166.2 IP
       
LF Alfonso Soriano CF *Chris Dickerson
SS Ryan Theriot SS Jeff Keppinger
1B Derrek Lee 2B Brandon Phillips 
3B Aramis Ramirez 1B *Joey Votto
2B Mark DeRosa 3B Edwin Encarnacion
CF *Jim Edmonds RF *Jay Bruce
C Geovany Soto LF Jolbert Cabrera
RF *Kosuke Fukudome C Ryan Hanigan
P *Ted Lilly P Bronson Arroyo

 

That well-known rabble-rouser, Mark Sheldon of mlb.com, is billing this series as a showdown between NL Rookie of the Year candidates Geovany Soto and Joey Votto.

Actually, I don't know anything about Mark Sheldon's rabble-rousing, but the comparison is not entirely off-base:

   AVG OBP
 SLG
OPS HR
RBI
Geovany Soto .294 .371 .514  885 21  80
Joey Votto .294 .360 .472  832 17  67

 

As you can see, except for AVG, Soto's numbers are all better, plus one can't discount Soto's invaluable contribution behind the plate. Regarding Votto, who hit .382 last month and had a team-high 18 RBI, he has played well while most everything and everyone around him has gone to hell.

Also, don't forget Votto has had to overcome the handicap of playing for an imbecile.

Reds starter Bronson Arroyo has been outstanding lately, winning 9 of his last 12 starts and posting a 2.62 ERA in five outings last month. He has already beaten the Cubs and Ted Lilly twice this year, including a 2-1 decision a couple weeks ago.

The Cubs are embarking on their longest road trip this year as they endure their longest losing skid of the season. As for Lilly, he was a loser last time out against the Phillies (6.2 IP, 3 ER), but he has given the Cubs six or more innings in each of his last nine starts and in 16 of his last 17 assignments.

Let's win one for ol' Doc Gryzlo.

 

Non-Cub Sports Headline of the Week, from The Onion: 

Pavano to Yanks: 'I'm Back And Ready To—Ow, My Hip!'

 

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#1 Re: Game 141 Thread / Cubs @ Reds (1 of 3)

Submitted by billybucks on Fri, 09/05/2008 - 4:07pm.

Probaly not completely fair, but getting 20+ HR and 80+ RBI out of a catcher (rookie or not)is more impressive than getting it out of a 1st baseman, where it should be almost automatic.

Oh man....another series in Houston next weekend. Check to see the bar is fully stocked.

#2 Re: Game 141 Thread / Cubs @ Reds (1 of 3)

Submitted by Ryno on Fri, 09/05/2008 - 4:45pm.

Fun fact: Joe Votto ain't shit.

#3 Re: Game 141 Thread / Cubs @ Reds (1 of 3)

Submitted by Chris on Fri, 09/05/2008 - 5:03pm.

standing here under an overhang wondering if they'll get this game in. Looks like might have wasted some serious coin.

The last game I came to here in cincy was that gem that Lieber started. You know, his one and only start. Gave up four HR's. Gallager came in and poured gas on the siyuation.

#4 Re: Game 141 Thread / Cubs @ Reds (1 of 3)

Submitted by crunch on Fri, 09/05/2008 - 5:13pm.

rain...

RAIN?

whatever...

#5 Re: Game 141 Thread / Cubs @ Reds (1 of 3)

Submitted by Cubster on Fri, 09/05/2008 - 5:45pm.

5 out first inning...awful start.

#6 Re: Game 141 Thread / Cubs @ Reds (1 of 3)

Submitted by Rich on Fri, 09/05/2008 - 5:47pm.

Looks like Votto is off to the races in this weekends Rookie competition. Hopefully Soto can respond in kind.

#7 Re: Game 141 Thread / Cubs @ Reds (1 of 3)

Submitted by big_lowitzki on Fri, 09/05/2008 - 6:02pm.

Also, don't forget Votto has had to overcome the handicap of playing for an imbecile.

Seriously?

#8 Re: Game 141 Thread / Cubs @ Reds (1 of 3)

Submitted by navigator on Fri, 09/05/2008 - 6:02pm.

Is it okay to PANIC yet?

#9 Re: Game 141 Thread / Cubs @ Reds (1 of 3)

Submitted by Cubster on Fri, 09/05/2008 - 6:05pm.

pray for rainout

#10 Re: Game 141 Thread / Cubs @ Reds (1 of 3)

Submitted by Jeff_Pico on Fri, 09/05/2008 - 6:13pm.

This team just looks bad. Lets hope they are having a 2005 White Sox meltdown before the heat up lol

I've been posting my doubts about the offense for some time now, but now with Zambrano, Dempster, and Lilly all looking like mortals there are definite chinks in the armor.

We're just lucky the Brewers haven't taken advantage yet.

#20 Re: Game 141 Thread / Cubs @ Reds (1 of 3)

Submitted by big_lowitzki on Fri, 09/05/2008 - 7:24pm.

What did Dempster do wrong? His last outing was 7 ip, 3 er.

And Lilly has looked mortal all year.

#11 Re: Game 141 Thread / Cubs @ Reds (1 of 3)

Submitted by 10man on Fri, 09/05/2008 - 6:26pm.

something. anything to turn the momentum.

#12 Re: Game 141 Thread / Cubs @ Reds (1 of 3)

Submitted by Cubster on Fri, 09/05/2008 - 6:27pm.

I look at it this way...

Z, Harden and Lilly are all getting to skip a start

#13 Re: Game 141 Thread / Cubs @ Reds (1 of 3)

Submitted by vacubsfan on Fri, 09/05/2008 - 6:50pm.

Is this the game where we hit rock bottom, so we can recover?

#16 Re: Game 141 Thread / Cubs @ Reds (1 of 3)

Submitted by Chris on Fri, 09/05/2008 - 7:13pm.

Arroyo equals Drysdal

Leiber equals sausage grease sweating Glendon Rusch

#14 Re: Game 141 Thread / Cubs @ Reds (1 of 3)

Submitted by Pell Mell on Fri, 09/05/2008 - 7:15pm.

w00t Pads tie it up 1-1 top 4. C'mon Pads, start the downfall of Chuck Saturday.

#15 Re: Game 141 Thread / Cubs @ Reds (1 of 3)

Submitted by Cubster on Fri, 09/05/2008 - 7:13pm.

Throwing error Bill Hall
...on a throw to the plate for a potential fielder's choice.

1-1

#17 Re: Game 141 Thread / Cubs @ Reds (1 of 3)

Submitted by Cubster on Fri, 09/05/2008 - 7:17pm.

Koyie Hill adding 5 mph to Angel Guzman's fastball

#18 Re: Game 141 Thread / Cubs @ Reds (1 of 3)

Submitted by Pell Mell on Fri, 09/05/2008 - 7:21pm.

doh, spoke too soon. SuperChuck RBI single, Brewers up 2-1.

I'll show myself out.

#19 Re: Game 141 Thread / Cubs @ Reds (1 of 3)

Submitted by Cubster on Fri, 09/05/2008 - 7:24pm.

the "B" Cubs break thru with a run, Koyie Hill double...he hit it 5 mph faster than the CF.

#21 Re: Game 141 Thread / Cubs @ Reds (1 of 3)

Submitted by billybucks on Fri, 09/05/2008 - 7:40pm.

Be sure to order Ted Lilly's exciting new video "Veteran Leadership: How to step up when the chips are down". Highlights include the glove slam from last year's playoffs, and getting knocked out by the Reds minor league lineup when your team's epic death spiral is just gaining steam. On sale now!

Six straight, with Marquis and Marshall pitching the next 2.

Who's a headless chicken now, hmmmm?

#22 Re: Game 141 Thread / Cubs @ Reds (1 of 3)

Submitted by Pell Mell on Fri, 09/05/2008 - 7:52pm.

So...you're gloating because you see DOOOOOOM ahead? This is a good thing how exactly?

As for Lilly, yes, he stunk tonight, and I liked the quick hook by Lou (until Lieber put the game out of reach). But even if I had a problem with Lilly's 2007 glove slam, it would seem pointless to pick on him for it now. Meanwhile, I can deal with any "epic death spiral" that results in virtually no loss of ground to the competition and the continual reduction in magic numbers.

#25 Re: Game 141 Thread / Cubs @ Reds (1 of 3)

Submitted by billybucks on Fri, 09/05/2008 - 8:24pm.

Not gloating at all...just always find it bizarre when everyone uses the 2005 White Sox as an example rather than the 2004 Cubs or the 2007 Mets. Cubs have Marquis and Marshall the next 2, then play nothing but winning teams, mostly on the road.

Playoffs a lock? Not yet.

#39 Re: Game 141 Thread / Cubs @ Reds (1 of 3)

Submitted by 10man on Fri, 09/05/2008 - 11:35pm.

Who exactly is this "everyone" and "always" that you are calling out? surely you don't mean every single person who posts on this board. I don't recall reading hundreds of posts everyday mentioning the 2005 White Sox. I do recall seeing one or two in the past week. This team still has the best record in the NL and therefore is still the team that has the best chance of any NL team to make the playoffs. Go look for your head, chicken.

#48 Re: Game 141 Thread / Cubs @ Reds (1 of 3)

Submitted by Doug Dascenzo on Sun, 09/07/2008 - 4:02pm.

I made a comment about the 2005 White Sox because I was trying to put a positive spin on a shitty situation. They almost blew their division lead in September, and then rebounded to win the World Series. Just trying to look on the bright side.

#23 Re: Game 141 Thread / Cubs @ Reds (1 of 3)

Submitted by Dmac on Fri, 09/05/2008 - 8:00pm.

I agree, but tonight was quite painful to watch - and last week wasn't exactly wonderful either. Yeah, they were probably due for something like this, but they sure look a little lifeless out there.

#24 Re: Game 141 Thread / Cubs @ Reds (1 of 3)

Submitted by Cubster on Fri, 09/05/2008 - 8:12pm.

Finally, the perfect situational use of Howry.

#26 Re: Game 141 Thread / Cubs @ Reds (1 of 3)

Submitted by Cubster on Fri, 09/05/2008 - 8:27pm.

GOD I LOVE ERIC GAGNE

quickly, 2-2 and CC gets a no decision (and an RBI)

#27 Re: Game 141 Thread / Cubs @ Reds (1 of 3)

Submitted by Pell Mell on Fri, 09/05/2008 - 8:28pm.

The only Rosenbloom quip I've liked all season is that Gagne is the Cubs' MVP. Keep it up Wreck-ful Eric!

#28 Re: Game 141 Thread / Cubs @ Reds (1 of 3)

Submitted by Jeff_Pico on Fri, 09/05/2008 - 8:29pm.

Just like 2007..The Brewers bullpen is the key for the Cubs.

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