Game 148 Thread / Cubs @ Astros (kinda) 2 of 2

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SP *Ted Lilly SP Brian Moehler
14-9, 4.29, 166 K, 60 BB, 184.2 IP
11-6, 4.16, 76 K, 33 BB, 138.1 IP
LF Alfonso Soriano CF Reggie Abercrombie
2B *Mike Fontenot 2B Mark Loretta
1B Derrek Lee SS Miguel Tejada
3B Aramis Ramirez 1B #Lance Berkman
RF *Micah Hoffpauir RF Hunter Pence
C Geovany Soto 3B Jose Castillo
CF *Jim Edmonds LF *Darin Erstad
SS Ronny Cedeno C Humberto Quintero
P *Ted Lilly P Brian Moehler


This sure is a tough turn-around. It's like partying all night, hooking up with a few perfect 10 models and then having to drag your ass back to your job the next morning. Only your job is located in a city that smells either like fermenting yeast or a tannery depending on which way the wind blows (true story, that is how Milwaukee smells).

Cubs go for the sweep (I guess) with Ted "Knockout" Lilly on the mound. The only way to top last night's game is either a perfect game or a four homer game by one of our hitters. I expect nothing less.


For those wanting to relive last nights WGN broadcast archived at, Pat and Ron's call of the bottom of the ninth starts at about 3:01 point in the archive file.

Do you have to be an subscriber to view it?

By "Pat and Ron" I refer to the WGM-AM720 audio broadcast, but yes even for that one needs to be a subscriber to MLB. Pretty good bargain though- access to a couple thousand live and archived broadcasts every summer, for fifteen bucks.

Oh, I thought the season was over. There's more baseball?

Milwaukee's season would be much, much different if they had not been on the bad end of two four game sweeps, one by the Cubs at the end of July, the other by the Phillies just now. Of course, after the Cubs' sweep at the end of July, the Brewers responded by winning 10 of their next 12. It also did not help to get swept by the Mets at the beginning of September.

They may need to do that now to make the playoffs at all. Let's hope that they do not do it in the 6 games remaining against the Cubs. The Brewers have not won a series this month.

hoffpower in RF...can't say im surprised...can't be worse than DWard.

According to WSCR>

They passed out press release at Miller park a few moments ago.

Just announced Yost's firing on the WGN radio broadcast of the Cubs game. Wow.

And here I'd been looking forward to a few more boneheaded managerial moves from him over the last two weeks.

Former Brewer great Dale Sveum taking over.

holy crap, they are done.

I just read through the Jayson Stark "That's Debatable" chat on where they discussed the neutral field issue.

I understand where Houston and Houston fan are coming from, but there are several truths that can't be avoided here:

1. McLane waited too long in hopes of keeping the series in Houston. He should've flown his team in the night before. If the Astros were so concerned about leaving their families behind, they should've brought them all with -- it's not like MLB salaries are inadequate for the task of chartering more planes.

2. The Cubs would have the fan majority at any MLB park not in Texas. Arlington was not an option because the Rangers have a game there today.

3. If the Astros had won last night, this would be completely a non-issue

As well as one highly-likely speculation:

4. Big Z was on yesterday and would likely have been dominant (although perhaps not unhittable) wherever he pitched.

Yeah, the way this unfolded definitely played into the Cubs favor, but it's not a conspiracy. It's the combination of limited options and McLane's bullheadedness that resulted in Houston playing in MKE without adequate rest.

Sucks to be Houston, but there it is.

I cannot recall where I saw this idea, but I thought it was one of the best ones considered: They should have played the game at the Astros AAA affiliate in Round Rock, a suburb of Austin.

The field only seats about 10,000, but it would have been a reasonable, fair, and exciting alternative. If McLane had really been looking out for all the interests he claims, then this would have been his best option.

I am sure that there are many reasons why this venue would be unacceptable to some, but I cannot think of any that are reasonable enough to prevent the game from taking place in the AAA stadium.

I suspect getting a AAA stadium that hasn't been used in a couple weeks and likely got a couple inches of rain during Ike (I haven't seen any wx reports from Austin, just speculating) wouldn't be very feasable on less than 24 hours notice.

I also imagine that after 2 games were washed out, MLB wanted to be totally sure that the games would be played. That means finding a domed stadium.

Most importantly, I'm sure McLane knows very well that he'll make a lot more money by selling premium priced tickets to 20 thousand + cub fans than he would selling out 13 thousand seats in Austin.

Wow -- can't remember a manager that was tied for a playoff spot with 2 weeks to go ever getting fired.

That's rough.

Houston breaks up Lilly's no-hit bid in the bottom of the seventh inning. 15 straight hitless innings for the 'stros.

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  • early tim tebow stuff rolling in...

    ran a 6.7 60yd (above average)...shagging flies in RF and showed off a rather impressive arm a few times, but average-at best on most of his throws...hit a few over the fence (both fields), fouled or weak contact a few...he's got a touch of power

    it'll be interesting to see who bites on this project, if anyone. he probably projected himself out of RF and into LF/1st because of his arm, but unless he can make that power work on a steady basis it'll be hard for him to play himself up anyone's system.

    crunch 7 min 17 sec ago view
  • LHP Clayton Richard (released by the Cubs earlier this month) is pitching very well as a starting pitcher for the San Diego Padres and could be a good candidate to get traded to a contender looking for a veteran SP before tomorrow night's post-season roster eligibility deadline.

    Because they released him, the Cubs are paying most of Richard's 2016 salary (the Cubs are on the hooks for $2M, minus the pro-rated portion of the MLB minimum salary that is paid by the Padres).

    Arizona Phil 1 hour 54 min ago view
  • it is honestly awesome (for real) that anyone would even have a strong opinion on AZL playoffs. i guess if you invest enough time watching it, you want to see a fair/just playoff structure.

    plus, the kids deserve it.

    crunch 1 hour 55 min ago view
  • The AZL team with the best record over the course of the full 2016 AZL season and the only AZL team to play .600 ball (the AZL Dodgers) did not qualify for the AZL playoffs, and the AZL East Division team with the best record over the course of the full season (the AZL Athletics) did not qualify for the AZL playoffs, either. 

    That's because of the ridiculous "split season" schedule most of the minor leagues now play, a stupid system that rewards mediocrity at the expense of the worthy. 

    Arizona Phil 2 hours 1 min ago view
  • Despite good movement on his fastball, I think location kept him from getting Ks. Left some pitches up and away that got hammered up and away. Then of course Travis Wood gave up the 2-run double in the 7th, but both runs counted against Arrieta.

    Charlie 2 hours 38 min ago view
  • "i'm gonna make you my main squeeze one day, bro. save the date."

    This level of discourse is #charming.


    Tito 2 hours 38 min ago view
  • I would be having this discussion with anyone who (a) blathered on ad nauseum about the topic. (See, "Olt, Mike, not given an opportunity") or (b) responded directly to what I posted (which you did).

    Have a nice day.


    Tito 2 hours 41 min ago view
  • what would you do without me? aside from having your posting content here cut by 75%+?

    i'm gonna make you my main squeeze one day, bro. save the date.

    crunch 2 hours 44 min ago view
  • In this instance, yes, I care more about the result of this big thing that isn't really a big thing.








    Tito 2 hours 45 min ago view
  • Two things:

    Fangraphs WAR #s include baserunning and Hamilton is elite at that. He leads in SBs with the 54 and and has an 87% rate which is really good. I'm sure once he gets on base he's able to take the extra base quite often too. Both those things will up his overall WAR value.

    The differences between BR and FG WAR is pretty well documented online and thus If there are discrepancies it's fairly easy to figure out why. It's fairly well accepted that BR WAR is fine as a snapshot but FG is better at predicting future value.

    johann 2 hours 49 min ago view
  • i have no doubt at all you quit reading at that point. you're very enamored with outcomes without caring what it takes to get there.

    the fact it's exploitable, especially without someone to cover the running game for him, as well it's evolution in how people are testing possible exploits is interesting to some me...i'm some people...hurrah.

    some people want to check the boxscore to see who won, some want to know how it went down.

    crunch 3 hours 1 min ago view
  • I read it as him saying it's not really that much of a concern and that the one time it really cost Lester, vs. K.C., was an anomaly.


    Tito 3 hours 7 min ago view
  • if jeff says it, it's cool...when i say it, it's straight from the mouth of hitler.

    aside from the lack of jeff touching on the insane leads runners take and lester's inability to throw if he's fielding, this is a lot of what i've said about the issue.

    exploitable, needs his own personal catcher to control his shortcomings, relies on his ability to get outs along with his personal catcher keeping runners in check before things become further exploited...

    crunch 3 hours 9 min ago view
  • That would be Rice Krispy Treat

    The E-Man 4 hours 27 min ago view
  • "Crunch's cousin"

    Butterfinger or Baby Ruth?

    VirginiaPhil 4 hours 41 min ago view
  • I saw the first three innings and the last three, so I didn't see Arrieta get hit. His stuff looked nasty at first...what happened? Any insight from anyone who watched?


    Tito 4 hours 54 min ago view