Game 154 Thread / Cardinals @ Cubs (3 of 3)

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SP Braden Looper SP Ryan Dempster
12-13, 4.06, 96 K, 43 BB, 186 IP
16-6, 3.02, 182 K, 75 BB, 196.2 IP
CF *Skip Shumaker RF *Kosuke Fukudome
RF Ryan Ludwick SS Ronny Cedeno
1B Albert Pujols LF *Micah Hoffpauir
2B #Felipe Lopez 1B *Darye Ward
3B Troy Glaus 2B *Mike Fontenot
LF Nick Stavinoha CF *Felix Pie
C Jason Larue 3B Casey McGehee
P Braden Looper C #Koyie Hill
SS #Cesar Izturis P Ryan Demspter


Nothing like the post-clinch lineup...although you have to feel a little bad for Dempster who is trying to get win number 17 and retake sole possesion of the wins lead on the team. Cubs magic number to secure best record in the NL and homefield advantage is two. A loss by the Philles and Mets and a win by the Cubs would make the season ending road trip mostly irrelevant.


This lineup rocks!

I am sure Dempster is really happy about it too.

my god...i guess everyone was up late partying.

i dunno why im even gonna bother to watch this AAAA game.

only 2 guys...3 if you like cedeno...who should even be playing in a game.

yes...blah blah clinch, but wow...everyone got a day off.

i'm sure they closed the bars last night. good for them.

I had a dream last week that Ronnie Cedeño was trying to kill the Queen of England. He used gasoline to douse the hotel suite where she was staying so he could blow it up later, but he got distracted by a comic book and sat down to read it.

Your dream means you want to kill your father and sleep with Johann's mother.


Hey, it could be worse. At least the lineup doesn't look like this:

2B Cairo
SS Gutierrez
3B Coomer
C Hundley
LF White
1B Stairs
CF Matthews
RF Dunwoody

Thanks Biz for the catch.

wow lou and i do think alike
in previous thread this is
exactly the lineup i put in.

lou does read here

haha rock.

To all those fans who had tix to Sunday's game and thought there would be a remote chance the Cubs would clinch it before your very eyes...

Eff off, you get a AAA game.

Didn't seem like a horrible AAA game. I wouldn't have minded being there for it.

Mets losing in the 9th, Phils tied 0-0 in the 2nd.


was 7-4 Braves, now 7-6 with only one out...

Mets lose...go Fish. Phils go up 2-0 though in the 3rd.

This might sound obnoxious and demanding, but I'd like to see one of our talented TCR authors write an article about the state of the NL as it stands now and who the Cubs are likely to see in the playoffs. To be honest I haven't been following the other teams real close.

I think the general consensus is that we want the Mets (no dominant starters and really shitty bullpen) and the Brewers (Cubs intimidate them and whoop them at Miller Park, and Sheets may not be ready to go). The Astros and the Phillies have been not very impressed by the Cubs this year.

Mets (no dominant starters and really shitty bullpen)

Well... mark me down as someone who has no interest in the Cubs facing Santana twice in the playoffs.

Oh yeah, I actually forgot about him. So one good starter for the Mets. Santanna's not that scary in a short series, though. On the other hand, if you see Moyer and Hamels twice in that short a time frame, odds are you'll get to them too. I think the guys who say 'here it is, try to hit it' are more dangerous than the changeup specialists.

I was worried about Santana, but he's actually due to pitch Tuesday against us and then Sunday. So that'll give us a look at him and a chance we would only get him once.

Brewers do get Pirates this week, so I'm not counting them completely out.

Phils are defintiely the hot team and post ASG Myers and Hamels is a decent combo with Moyers flinging his crap as well. Good offense and good bullpen too. I think they'll take the East though and we'll face them in the NLCS.


Moyers would fit right in at the Primate House.

If way play anywhere close to our potential there's no reason to think we'd face Santana twice. But yes, facing a pitcher who hasn't given up more than 3 runs in a start since July 17th is a little worrisome.

Eyeballing Phils and Mets offense and pitching post all-star break and in September, there's not a huge difference between the two. The Mets have been pitching and hitting better in September, but the Phillies have won two more games.

Based on how we've played those teams, for the season:
Phillies: 3.34
Mets: 6.19

vs Mets: .319/.420/.478
vs Phils: .242./.301/.356

Clearly the Phils have been playing very well against us this season. Mind you, the sample size is super small against the Mets until after this upcoming series. Both who we face and how excited we are to see them in the playoffs will be heavily determined by how we play. Regardless, I don't put a ton of stock in how the regular season determines the playoffs. Being healthy, well rested, and in a good mindset will certainly help. All other bets are off.

I don't see the Brewers making the playoffs at this point.

Based on last year I wouldn't put the Mess in the playoffs yet.

Important games for the Cubs against the Mets. If they really don't want to see Santana in the playoffs, they should do their best to beat the Mets this week. Santana scheduled for Tuesday, ideally the Mets need him to pitch again on Sunday, final game of the season to clinch the WC and the Cubs won't have to face him until game 2 or 3.

Same could be said for the Brewers. One of those two teams will be the WC team. Somebody has to back in ass first. Glad it's not us.

fun game...surprisingly.

cubs got a gift run, but in the end it didn't matter.

Dempster got his ERA back below 3, throwing 67 pitches. I thought he would go more, but crunch in parachat accurately said 'no more than 5'. Lackey pitching for the Angels in a totally meaningless game throws 110 pitches. Do the Angels know something that the Cubs don't? I think it's a start early to be having them take it that easy. 70 pitches, 70 pitches, but now we need you to throw 110 in a playoff game (unless you want Howry or Smardypants in the 7th of a close game), but you're gassed because you haven't thrown that much in 3 weeks.

throw him 100 his next game on Friday...he'll still get 4 days rest if he's going Game 1. If he's going Game 2 or 3, then it's not even an issue. I'm guessing holding him back had more to do with celebrating last night.

That could be it.

Where the hell do you find the playoff schedule?

Thanks and thanks Rob G. I looked all over MLB, ESPN, and Foxsports but couldn't find nothin'.

Pat said something last night that Lou had said starters won't be going more than 5 for the rest of the way. I guess I can understand that ... if you want to start the playoffs with an exhausted pen.

Maybe Marshall will get a game where goes 3-4 out of the pen to build strength in case he's needed as a long reliever in the playoffs. Gaudin could potentially do that too, but we probably need him as a middle reliever/setup man right now.

Cubs have a lot of extra bodies in the pen with sepetember call ups. "tired" pullpen is going to be a complete non issue.

I'd be terribly angry too if I was an Astros fan, but I'm not.

Be pissed at Bud, and the majority of the blame will always fall on McLane for being greedy and not agreeing to an earlier move to Arlington, Phoenix, Atlanta, etc.

The last time I checked, even when you play on the road you should manage to get more than 1 hit in 2 games. What a bunch of pathetic whiners. Instead of accepting that they were horribly outplayed, they blame everyone else.

Sounds like Chadball is ready to go. Hope he can get back to being the 7th inning bridge.


"Pat said something last night that Lou had said starters won't be going more than 5 for the rest of the way. I guess I can understand that ... if you want to start the playoffs with an exhausted pen."

Not your best comment ever. Cubs have eleven (11) relievers on the roster at the moment. With seven games left and starters going five, that leaves 28 innings (plus extras). I expect Lou will use the time to sort out who's on the postseason roster, and exhaust the other guys. Lou's done this before, I think.

When you say "Lou's done this before" do you mean had the best team in the league run out of the playoffs in the first round?

Are you referring to the Mariner's 2001 season?

I assume so since that is the only year in which Pinella managed a team with the best record in the league.

First, the Mariners made it out of the first round, defeating the Indians 3-2 and then losing to the Yankees in the ALCS 4-1.

But the pitching was not to blame. It was solid, giving up 1, 2, 1, 5, 4, 3, 3, and 3 runs in playoff games. The only time the pitching struggled was when Aaron Sele pitched. In one game the Indians scored 17 and in another the Yankees scored 12.

In 1990 Pinella's team did not have the best record in the league (the Pirates did) but he set a record for leading the division wire-to-wire (first NL team, only other AL team at the time had been the 1984 Tigers). In the NLCS his pitching staff gave up 4, 1, 3, 3, 3, and 1 runs. In the World Series sweep it was 0, 4, 3, and 1.

ahh my bad, I remember them gettin their hats handed to them, forgot that it was in the championship series. Either way, they didn't make the world series, despite being the heavy favorites.

Not your best comment ever.

Wow, thanks, I appreciate you apparently reading and rating all the comments that I make. Out of curiousity, where would you say it falls exactly? At least top half? I wish I could say I do the same for your comments, but frankly, I don't really remember you ever making a comment before.

I agree there are a lot of relievers, and I agree with the strategy of trying to rest starters as needed and in preparation for the playoffs. It just seemed a bit silly to me to stick to a rigid, or at least what I interpreted to be fairly rigid, plan of no more than 5 innings. 11 relievers or not, Lou's going to have use our good guys some and, if I were him, I'd be trying to rest them just as much as the starters, especially considering the recent shakiness of many of them.

Two points, Andrew.

One, I was trying to be polite. When I first read your comment I thought it was stupid and showed no real thinking things through. It turns out that's what you felt Lou was doing.

Two, I've been posting on TCR since about the middle of 2003, always under the same name. Much less than I used to.


Yeah, that's fair enough. My response was probably a bit over the top at that, so cheers to you as well.

I'll note for the record that, unlike Rob G. and crunch, Jackstraw and I resolved our differences amicably and did not result to profanity, name-calling, and mooning.

Copy that.

Of course, it's the end of a stale thread, so nobody knows if/how we resolved it, you (insert profanity) (insert name). Sort of like Mad-Libs.

I (body part) The Cub Reporter.

- People here over the last several days have been talking about how the Cubs should use the Game 2 starter in game 5 on regular rest, and have the game 1 starter in the bullpen for games 4&5. I don't understand that logic. In a short series, start your best pitcher in game 1 and in game 5. I don't really know who I trust the most for game 1 and 5, but I don't understand why you would think a different pitcher should be used in the critical game 5 versus the critical game 1?

- Cubs are in a better position then the Angels. Angels are still in a dog fight for the best record in the AL, hence Lackey throwing 110 pitches.

- Why were people so surprised about the lineup yesterday? It's very common to rest virtually all your starters after a clincher if nothing much is at stake. Furthermore, with the Cubs playing games against possible playoff teams this week, that was the only day to give all the players the day off without hurting the so called integrity of the game.

- We should all be rooting for the Brewers and Mets to stay neck and neck to the last game of the season, so both have to use their #1 starter on Sunday who then wouldn't be available until game 2 or 3..and then ultimately have the Mets win out. Dodgers are playing the best ball of any contender this month, so I'd rather take on a struggling Mets team.

i think i have to agree with every thing said here.

I think I like the option of possibly using your Game 2 starter in Game 5, that is all. Having your Game 1 starter as a possible bullpen guy in Game 4 or the starter for Game 5 is a nice bonus option.

Dodgers are crap. They're hot streak was against Padres, Pirates, Giants, Rockies and the Dbacks who are playing like shit. They're middle infield consists of Berroa and Blake DeWitt. Furcal is still hurting as is Kent. They're nothing to worry about and will get bounced in the first round again. They just lost two of three to the Giants at home. They'll still clinch because the Dbacks are even worse right now and Dodgers get the Padres and Giants again.

The best way for the race to stay close between Mets, Phils and Brewers is for the Cubs to beat the Mets actually. Take 3 of 4 and hope the Brewers can take 2 of 3 from Pirates.  Then they'll be tied going in the weekend and the earliest either team could clinch would be Saturday, although more likely Sunday.

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