Cubs vs. Dodgers—Stacking Up the Stats
How the Cubs and their NLDS opponents stacked up in a variety of statistical categories. (Team's National League rankings appear in parens; "DER" refers to Defensive Efficiency Ratio and "RZR" refers to Revised Zone Rating. Throughout, * means stats are through Saturday, 9/27. )
| CUBS |
L.A. |
|
| Hitting | ||
| 855 (1st) | RS |
700 (13th) |
| 184 (5th) | HR |
137 (13th) |
| .355 (1st) | OBP |
.333 (6th) |
| .445 (1st) | SLG |
.400 (13th) |
| 800 (1st) | OPS |
733 (11th) |
| Pitching | ||
| 668 (2nd) | RA |
645 (1st) |
| 3.87 (2nd) | ERA |
3.68 (1st) |
| 2.30 (3rd) | K/BB |
2.51 (2nd) |
| 711 (2nd) | OPS vs. |
691 (1st) |
| 66% (4th) | SV % |
65% (5th) |
| Fielding* | ||
| .706 (1st) | DER |
.693 (9th) |
| .832 (6th) | RZR |
.825 (12th) |
Here's another interesting set of numbers—the performance of the Dodgers offense before and after the acqusition of Manny Ramirez:
| PRE-MANNY | POST-MANNY* | |
| 108 | G | 53 |
| 4.17 | RS/G |
4.70 |
| .69 | HR/G |
1.19 |
| 3.10 | BB/G |
3.89 |
| .321 | OBP |
.357 |
| .376 | SLG |
.446 |
| 697 | OPS |
803 |
Baseball may not be a one-man game, but Ramirez, .489 OBP/.743 SLG/1232 OPS in 53 games for the Dodgers, is obviously one man who made a significant difference for his new team. The two Dodgers who have had the most plate appearances batting right in front of Manny, Jeff Kent and Andre Ethier, have been particular beneficiaries.
| Jeff Kent |
GP |
OBP |
SLG |
OPS |
| Pre-Manny | 91 | .307 | .406 | 713 |
| Post-Manny* | 30 | .388 | .455 | 843 |
| Andre Ethier | GP | OBP |
SLG |
OPS |
| Pre-Manny | 90 | .338 | .442 | 780 |
| Post-Manny* | 44 | .442 | ,640 | 1082 |
Funny thing is, both Kent and Ethier were able to punish the Cubs even without Ramirez this year. In 23 AB's, Ethier hit .348 with a .423 OBP vs. the Cubs, and Kent, in 19 AB, hit 2 HR, with a .421 OBP and an OPS of 1211.









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#1 Starting Pitching -- Studs
Here is my concern. Look at what Sabathia and Santana did over the weekend. Dominating, complete game performances on short rest. That's what you need this time of year, particularly in the playoffs, and we don't have a starter who can do that. Our rotation overall may be the best in the NL, but that helps in the 162 game schedule. In some ways, the question over the course of the season is not how good your 1 and 2 are, but how bad your 3, 4, and 5 are. But in the playoffs, the question is how good your 1 and 2 are. And ours are good, not great.
If we can hit our way through the playoffs that will make the difference, but we will see some good pitching.
Dodgers in 5.
#2 Re: Cubs vs. Dodgers—Stacking Up the Stats
I'd say your assessment is pretty much spot on as far as the starters/course of the whole season as opposed to a 5 game set. But it's not as if the Dodgers have the CC/Johan type #1. Personally with the cubs lineup against Lowe/Billingsly/Kuroda/Maddux/Whoever they run out their in the 3rd game, i'm not too worried for this series. Cubs in 4, count it.
#3 Re: Cubs vs. Dodgers—Stacking Up the Stats
Has anyone seen the playoff roster? I cant find it on cubs.com or in the tribune...My hope is that howry is left off so he can practice a new grip for his fastball so it atleast moves.
#7 Re: Cubs vs. Dodgers—Stacking Up the Stats
Doesn't have to be officially submitted until tomorrow.
#4 Re: Cubs vs. Dodgers—Stacking Up the Stats
Cubs in 4
#5 Re: Cubs vs. Dodgers—Stacking Up the Stats
a party in LA sounds good to me
#6 Playoff Roster...
I don't think the Playoff roster has been announced. Or else you'd see many Howry posts.
Arguably, the 2nd half moves of Manny, CC, and Harden helped catapult their new teams into the Playoffs.
Without the addition of Manny or Sebathia, neither Dodgers or Brewers would have made it.
So, indeed, in these cases, one man DID make the difference.
Can Sebathia just pitch every other day?
#8 Re: Playoff Roster...
If CC could pitch every other day, he would. Being a Tribe fan also, he was a gamer and as seen in MIL, he'll take the ball everyday if the manager would allow him.
here's the question, i know its looking forward, but who would you rather see the cubs face in round 2? CC and Mil, or Johan and NYM? I'd vote for neither if I could, because i can see both of those being a very very tough series to win. Perhaps i'd rather see the Brewers seeing how familiar the teams are with one another. And Wrigley Field North will be rocking
#9 Re: Playoff Roster...
While your hypothetical question is interesting...it is moot, the Mets are not in the playoffs and the question should be: Who would you rather face, the upstart Brewers or the Phillies with that mashing lineup and Cole Hamels?
While the acquisitions of Manny and CC propelled their teams to the playoffs, Johan was unable to pulloff the same result with the Mets...Maybe they should have held him back until the second half instead of pitching him the entire season.
#10 Re: Playoff Roster...
wow, mental lapse there. must be these damn high school kids yelling while i'm trying to write...Well, i'd rather see the Brew Crew than Hamels and the Phils..
#11 Re: Playoff Roster...
Absolutely. Hamels has been death for the Cubs this year, and while CC has also been pretty good against us, the Cubs have managed hold back the Brewers offense in those games. Plus, who pitches after Sabathia? What are the Brewers chances of winning playoff games not started by CC? I think the Cubs' deep rotation could potentially make a bigger difference in games against the Brewers than any other team in the post season. The Phil's rotation isn't amazing after Hamels, but their offense could make the Cubs rotation not look so "deep," especially if they can get to the bullpen.
#13 Phils
yep. I have said it all year. And, their bullpen with romero and a renewed Lidge has been very good.
Let's just get to the NLCS first.
#12 Re: Cubs vs. Dodgers—Stacking Up the Stats
PLAYOFF ROSTER -
here is a bit from Muskrat's late last-night entry:
"Whether DeRosa is ready will not affect the final decisions on the playoff roster, which will be announced Tuesday. Piniella was to meet then to set it with general manager Jim Hendry and assistant general manager Randy Bush."
Also, DeRosa is claiming "he'll be fine" for Wednesday's start...
#14 Re: Cubs vs. Dodgers—Stacking Up the Stats
In Sun Times today Wittenmeyer believed that Dero would be playing second for first round, meaning more RF time for Fuku and I assume the wild tea cup ride of Micah Hoffpower.
#15 Re: Cubs vs. Dodgers—Stacking Up the Stats
That wouldn't bother me if Dome could at least raise his OBP during the Playoffs to something reasonable.
#16 Re: Cubs vs. Dodgers—Stacking Up the Stats
Slugging and OBP go together. Look at the league leaders in walks, slugging, OBP. A lot of power, a lot of meat on the hoof. Fukudome will have to hit to raise his OBP.
#17 Re: Cubs vs. Dodgers—Stacking Up the Stats
An overlooked factor in the Pre- and Post-Manny Dodgers, and their offensive improvement, is that around that time they stopped playing offensive sinkholes like Andrew Jones, Pierre, and Nomar. Benching Andrew Jones alone had to be worth many runs. He would have been released in ST if not for the financial commitment.
#18 Re: Cubs vs. Dodgers—Stacking Up the Stats
I'm trying not to be doom and gloom here. I am concerned with D(ouble play)Lee's hitting propensities, particularly with Derek Lowe on the mound. I thought hitters made in-game adjustments to pitchers?
I just hope this team can get itself back up if they find themselves behind the 8-ball (a'la 2004 RedSox).
This post season is not going to be a cakewalk. If we beat the Dodgers, I'm not so sure we can beat the Phillies when we not only have to deal with Cole Hamels, but Jamie Moyer(!?), who shut us down. Jamie Moyer is not supposed to be tough but he is to us. Their offense is downright scary too.
I'm not on the ledge, but somebody talk me out of this.
#26 Re: Cubs vs. Dodgers—Stacking Up the Stats
If you're not on the ledge what are we supposed to talk you out of? What you're saying doesn't sound like doom and gloom. It IS doom and gloom. Here's a little bit of balance:
The other teams fear the Cubs even more than we fear them.
#19 Re: Cubs vs. Dodgers—Stacking Up the Stats
That's a good point on D-Lee, but I worry alot more about the bullpen. If we lose this series, I predict it will be in the 6th and 7th innings. Wood and Marmol are good, but beyond that as you all know, we have been struggling. Meanwhile, the Dodgers have Saito and Broxton late, plus Kuo, Wade, Park, Bemiel....lots of RH/LH solid guys, with some strikeout guys, for those middle innings. We definitely need someone to step up in this space, be it Samardzija, Marshall, or someone else. Gaudin's back problems really hurt us, because he was pitching well until then, and providing that solid middle relief.
#21 Re: Cubs vs. Dodgers—Stacking Up the Stats
Kuo out, FWIW.
#23 Re: Cubs vs. Dodgers—Stacking Up the Stats
the grass is always greener...
Saito's still dealing with a bum elbow, If you ask a Dodgers fan, Beimel and Broxton are the only bullpen guys that would be considered solid this year.
#20 Re: Cubs vs. Dodgers—Stacking Up the Stats
BTW, are we going to have Chip Caray on the TBS telecasts? I might have to mute the entire post season.
#22 Re: Cubs vs. Dodgers—Stacking Up the Stats
Worse. Dick Stockton, Ron Darling, and Tony Gwynn.
http://awfulannouncing.blogspot.com/2008/09/look-a...
#24 Is it Normal?
to charge a good $30 in bullshit fees for 2 tickets to a major league baseball game?
F U Frank McCourt.
And I still have to add an extra $15 each day for parking.
#25 Re: Is it Normal?
Yup, I about screamed when I saw how much fees were being added to the tix. Although some of that is ticket master.
FYI, I have tickets in the all you can eat pavilion on Sunday too. Would have prefered to buy my own food in cheaper seats.
#27 Re: Is it Normal Or Is it Nomar?
I'd say gouging customers is pretty normal behavior for a crook.
Frank McCourt was born, to Malachy & Angela McCourt, in Brooklyn. Unable to find work in the depths of the Depression, the McCourts returned to their native Ireland in 1934, where they sank deeper into poverty.
McCourt's father, an alcoholic, was often without work, and drank up what little money he earned. When McCourt was 11, his father abandoned the family leaving Frank's mother to raise four children. After quitting school at age 13, Frank alternated between odd jobs and petty crime .... --- wikipedia
So, he just graduated from petty juvenile crime to bigtime bring the country to its knees kiss your 401k goodbye "legal" crime, i.e. Real Estate Investment..
Where's it going?---
http://www.newsmeat.com/sports_political_donations...
me, I'm gonna riot if they run out of food in the RF pavilion.
#28 Re: Is it Normal Or Is it Nomar?
That's a different Frank McCourt.
#29 Re: Is it Normal Or Is it Nomar?
Gonna burn the place down to ashes?
#32 Re: Is it Normal Or Is it Nomar?
Interesting, because at the very top of the Frank McCourt Wikipedia entry that you quote from and don't link to, it says this:
You may want to look at this entry.
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