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Warming Up the Hot Stove

The entire TCR staff is still in mourning, what can we say, we take this shit personally. A relatively decent rumor though has gone through the wires as we start prepping for the most inconsequential regular season ever for the Cubs - the 2009 season. Because even if the Cubs are  fielding an All-Star at every position, win 120 games and outscore their opponents by five runs a game, none of that shit will matter to anyone until they win some playoff games and get to the World Series.

As for the rumor, the Padres are suffering some money problems as one of their owners is in the middle of divorce proceedings that may cause him to sell his 49% stake in the club.  The Padres debunked that rumor...sort of, but nonetheless San Diego is a pretty small market and are coming off a 99-loss season with not a whole lot of talent to build upon. They did have quite a few injuries last year, but not enough to warrant that bad a season.

If they do go the rebuild process, they're best trading chip would be their ace pitcher Jake Peavy and he is available for the right price. It doesn't sound like the Padres have to move him like the Twins did with Johan Santana this last offseason. Santana was going to be a pending free agent after 2008 while Peavy signed an extension last offseason that wil pay him, $11 M in 2009, $15 M in 2010, $16 M in 2011, $17 M in 2012 and a $22 M team option with a $4 M buyout in 2013. The tricky part is Peavy has a no-trade clause so he basically gets his say on where he gets to go.

Good news is that if you have dreams of Peavy wearing a Cubs uniform next season, his agent Barry Axelrod said that Peavy has a strong desire to stay in the National League and even went on mention specifically the cities of Atlanta, Chicago, Houston, Los Angeles and St. Louis. I don't doubt that any of those teams could make a legitimate run at Peavy although I'm quite sure the Padres will avoid the Los Angeles Dodgers if at all possible.

But do the Cubs have what it takes to land Peavy? Well, that sure is the million dollar question. The other question is if his elbow problems from last year are a cause for concern and at least one armchair pitching coach believes it will be. That's one for the doctors and trainers to discuss, or if you're the Cubs one for them to completely ignore and carry on like everything will be just fine.

The cost for Johan Santana last year was four pretty decent prospects from the Mets system, but the Twins were backed up against the proverbial rock and a hard place last season so it sounded like they took a lesser deal. I think four prospects is a pretty good barometer although the quality of them might have to be a little higher than the Mets gave up with Peavy already under contract.

If I had to formulate a guess on the type of players it might take to get Peavy in a Cubs uniform I would guess something along the lines of - Rich Hill, Felix Pie, Jose Ceda and one of Jeff Samardzija, Geovany Soto or Carlos Marmol. Now Samardzija has a no-trade clause and I doubt that the Soto or Marmol would be available, but if you're the Padres I think those are the quality of players they would want. Hill could do wonders in that ballpark with his flyball tendencies and the Padres have always had an affection for Felix Pie. But both now are on the "damaged goods" side of the equation and that's going to lower they're value. Ceda would be a gift for that Todd Walker trade that brought him here and then if you're the Padres and trading Jake Peavy, I think you need to at least get one ready for the majors now with 4-5 years of club control player and that's why I mentioned Samardzija, Soto or Marmol. I doubt they'd get moved and maybe there's another Cubs in the system that could get it done, but as I said, I think that's the type of players the Padres would ask for, even if not those individual names. 

And if the Cubs do start talking with the Padres, I hope they do a little inquiry on one Adrian Gonzalez. I do doubt that he's getting moved as he's signed to a very affordable deal over the next few years. From Cot's Contracts....

07:$0.5M, 08:$0.75M, 09:$3M, 10:$4.75M, 11:$5.5M club option (no buyout)

Nonetheless, he's the left-handed power stick that the Cubs middle of the order could desperately use. He's also two years younger and been just as good as the uber-free agent of the offseason, Mark Teixeira. You scoff at that I'm sure, but their WARP-3  numbers (Wins Above Replacement Player and factors in defense) courtesy of Baseball Prospectus.

Mark Teixeira since 2005: 9.2, 7.7, 7.8, 10.8

Adrian Gonzalez: .2, 7.5, 8.8, 8.6

Of course, that means the Cubs would have to move Derrek Lee somewhere and with a no-trade clause, a huge salary and declining skills, that's going to be a tough task.

Back to Peavy, if the Cubs could somehow swing a deal you have a possible rotation that could look like this:

Jake Peavy, Carlos Zambrano, Rich Harden, Ted Lilly, Jason Marquis

I would of course assume the acquisition of Peavy would mean that Dempster doesn't get resigned and trust me, I'm fine with that. I suppose it's possible that the Cubs could actually move Rich Harden in a deal with the Padres and resign Dempster, but I doubt that. And with us just at the cusp of the hot stove league and before organizational meetings have even happened, it's a bit foolish to start projecting the 2009 Cubs roster. Nonetheless, a few embers from the hot stove to keep us all warm at night.

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#1 Re: Warming Up the Hot Stove

The St. Pioneer Prees speculates that the Twins may talk to the Giants about Delmon Young.

 


(Offices of SF Giants)

 

Secretary: Mr. Sabean, Terry Ryan of the Minnesota Twins on line 1 for you.

Sabean: (face turns white, instantly covered in sweat) Fuck, fuck, fuck....tell him I'm not here.

(brief pause, hear secretary off on distance)

Secretary: Mr. Sabean, Mr. Ryan says you are here and you will speak to him now.

Sabean: (hand uncontrollably gravitates towards phone shaking) I know I shouldn't take this but I can't help myself. Hey, Terry, how' s it going?

Ryan: Hey Brian, how's it going, tough year, huh?

Sabean: Sure, it happens, I'm a bit busy though trying to land Randy Johnson and coax Willie Mays out of retirement. Can't have enough vets, you know, so what can I do for you?

Ryan: Well I know your guys offense was struggling and we have the former #1 prospect in Delmon Young available

Sabean: How old is he?

Ryan: 23

Sabean: that's a baby, I have no use for that.

Ryan: Sure you do

Sabean: No I don't

Ryan: (waves hand over phone) Sure you do

Sabean: Sure I do.

Ryan: What about Delmon Young for Lincecum, Cain and Brian Wilson?

Sabean: no way, you'll have to throw in Mike Redmond to offset the age difference.

Ryan: Done.

(END SCENE)

 

#2 WINTER LEAGUE ASSIGNMENTS

Outfielder Felix Pie and catcher Wellington Castillo will be playing for Licey in the Dominican Republic. Jose Ceda, who posted a 2.08 ERA in 22 relief appearances at Tennessee, will pitch for Escogido. Ceda, who impressed Cubs manager Lou Piniella in Spring Training, struck out 42 over 30 1/3 innings for the Double-A team.

Angel Guzman, Rich Hill, Justin Berg and Sam Fuld all will play in Venezuela. Hill, Berg and Fuld will play for Buddy Bailey and Dave Rosario, both members of the Cubs' Minor League staff, on the Tigres de Aragua. Guzman will pitch for Magallanes. Casey McGehee was to play for Culiacan in the Mexican Winter League.

http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=2...

#8 Re: WINTER LEAGUE ASSIGNMENTS

Maybe Pie could try NOT playing winter ball this year.

#3 Re: Warming Up the Hot Stove

oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo...

you said "shit"

i'm so telling.

#4 Re: Warming Up the Hot Stove

chris oleary is a hell of a video-guy with a lot of knowledge, but personally i feel you can't trust a damn thing the guy says about anyone who throws an inverted arm slot pitch unless you feel the same way he does. he absolutely hates them.

for xmas i think he'd like the head of tom house on a pike.

peavy throws an inverted arm slot, btw.

#5 Re: Warming Up the Hot Stove

from his primer page

http://www.chrisoleary.com/projects/Baseball/Pitch...

 


Studying Pitching Mechanics

One way to learn about pitching mechanics is to study major
league pitchers and see how they throw the ball.

Pitchers To Study

There are a large number of active pitchers who have good
pitching mechanics and who new pitchers should study and learn
from. This includes...


Greg Maddux
Tom Glavine
Roger Clemens
Nolan
Ryan

- Jeff Suppan
- Roy Oswalt
- Dan Haren
-

Justin Verlander

Pitchers To Stay Away From

There are also a number of active pitchers who have poor
pitching mechanics and who have had injury problems as a result
of their poor pitching mechanics. This includes...

 
Chris Carpenter

Mark Prior
BJ Ryan
Kerry Wood

Needless to say, new pitchers should NOT study the mechanics
of these pitchers.

(sigh)

#7 Re: Warming Up the Hot Stove

yeah, i know who he is and he's probably one of the best video men around. he does hitting, too.

he just doesn't like inverted arm slot pitches on anyone unless they keep their elbow down. that's about his only leeway in that department.

he backs it up...and some buy into it. i buy into it, especially with extreme inverted arm slot guys like bj ryan...but one of his "things" is not liking inverted arm slot deliveries.

#54 Re: Warming Up the Hot Stove

That 'analysis' is just about as useful as Chadball. Why doesn't he point out some pitchers who are likely to be hurt, rather than list guys who have a history of it? That would be useful information. Only Ryan and a younger Clemens on that list would be 'maximum effort guys', and Oswalt has trouble staying off the DL.

Back to Peavy though, his elbow slot doesn't bother me, it's the way his body goes towards first and his arm goes towards third when he throws that bothers me.

#56 Re: Warming Up the Hot Stove

that "analysis" was a article about who he thinks young pitchers should try to study.

As for predictions, here's his full archives.

http://www.chrisoleary.com/projects/Baseball/Pitch...

Don't have time to go through it myself, but one article I looked at labeled Marcum and Willis as injury risks in 2006.

http://www.chrisoleary.com/projects/Baseball/Pitch...

#58 Re: Warming Up the Hot Stove

you don't need an expert to guess that willis is an injury risk.

he rears up like vida blue then explodes the rest of his motion finishing up across his body. his elbow, nor his shoulder, is safe from throwing as violently as he does.

i'd like to see him break down jermain van burren. a paragraph of "HAHAHAHA. Are you fucking kidding me?" would do.

#6 Re: Warming Up the Hot Stove

I'm in parachat, for some reason. c'mon over.

#9 Re: Warming Up the Hot Stove

Furcal looking like a Cub already.

#10 Furcal is now wearing a Cubs Uniform

wow

#11 I found Joe the Plumber

He's play SS for the Dodgers.

(debate joke)

#12 Re: Warming Up the Hot Stove

Piggy out-righted off the 40-man to Iowa..........I'm for any trade/FA acquisition that adds LH hitting to the starting lineup and moves Soriano out of the leadoff spot (preferably off the roster). I wouldn't mind upgrading the rotation by re-signing Dempster or acquiring an upgrade of the 'Peavy' class.

#16 Re: Warming Up the Hot Stove

off the roster?

Yeah! more matt murtons and less sorianos.

would you shut up with this BULLSHIT!

#13 Its OVER CHAD

Grandpa McCain and his bitch is gonna get their asses beat.

#17 Re: Its OVER CHAD

not based on tonight's debate

i don't see this debate having much effect on the election.

even if obama wins in a butt kicking.

#21 Re: Its OVER CHAD

I agree with Chad that the debate is not that much of a poll changer because typically ratings drop for the 3rd debate and these debates have been doing worse numbers than the Bush/Gore or Kerry ones. Also these things are more "joint press conferences" more than debates anyways as the moderotors pretty much both let guys repeat their canned stump speech lines. They should have had Joe the Plummer moderate the debate atleast he got an answer to his tough question.

#27 Re: Its OVER CHAD

But that is the point.

This debate HAD to be a game changed for McCain, and it clearly wasn't.

And that is why is almost assuredly over.

#28 Re: Its OVER CHAD

People still have to vote.

And I have a nagging feeling they have been telling pollsters one thing and will vote another way.

IMO, this election will be 2000 election close.

#33 Re: Its OVER CHAD

Oh NO! Not another Hanging Chad controversy; although I wouldn't mind us hanging Chad. I keed.

#14 Re: Warming Up the Hot Stove

Sorry. I retract that last remark and realize that TCR is in no way a political blog, nor affiliated with any political party. Nor will either party help the Cubs win a World Series.

#15 Re: Warming Up the Hot Stove

you've obviously not seen the DNC vs. RNC win/loss numbers.

THE STATS DON'T LIE!!!

#18 Re: Warming Up the Hot Stove

The best team in the NL is going to the World Series.

#20 Re: Warming Up the Hot Stove

fuck that, I'm glad the Phils are going over the Dodgers because they're the better of those two teams. I don't buy in anyway that the Phils are better than the Cubs. Pretty damn good and close to the Cubs, but fuck the 5-game series. I hate it.

#22 Re: Warming Up the Hot Stove

If Selig is smart at all this 5-game set up should be chucked for the 7-game. And can I also say that these playoff announcers are terrible?! I haven't been bored so much in my life. Even during the Cubs series it was excruciating to listen to them. They should be required to take viagra before each game. The best teams and the best umps make it to the playoffs, why not the best announcers too?

#24 Re: Warming Up the Hot Stove

5 game series, 7 game series 9 game series. we weren't winning any of them.

we sucked balls

and believe me I know something about...

...wait for it...

...sucking balls

#26 Re: Warming Up the Hot Stove

The Phils beat the Cubs four of seven in the regular season and I have no reason to believe they wouldn't have done it again in the NLCS if the Cubs had been good enough to get there. Edit: "had been good enough to get there" isn't accurate. They were good enough. They just reverted to their loser roots.

At least the Dodgers knocked around Moyer. He probably would've gone all Ed Gein on the Cubs.

#19 Re: Warming Up the Hot Stove

What's your problem, Chad? No one else can have an opinion except you? Why don't you tell me and everyone else what to think, what to write, how the Cubs roster should be constructed, and we'll have nothing but 'Chad' posts on every article? Come on, thrill us and entertain us with your General Manager's acumen.

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