Tuesday Cubs Hot Stove Round-Up

- Rosenthal says the Braves are growing impatient and may pull their offer by Friday when free agency opens up. USA Today says "one team" is demanding a resolution by the 14th (let's take a guess on which team).  Rosenthal goes on to say the Padres have sent counter-offers to the Cubs and Braves, although he doesn't think either team will up the ante. In terms of players involved, he mentions Sean Marshall and possibly Josh Vitters.

- Sullivan thinks the Cubs are offering about 4/50 to Dempster right now.

- The Toronto Globe and Mail thinks Dempster is pretty likely to stay a Cub and says he'll take a discount if the Cubs acquire Peavy.


UPDATE: Buster Olney says the Cubs and Padres are trying to get a 3rd team involved and that Josh Vitters might be in play. I'd be surprised if the Cubs dealt Vitters or Samardzija myself, but you never know.

 

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Can we have the old Rich Hill back? A Z, Peavy, Demp, '07 Hill, Lilly rotation would be alright. Of course they won't score any runs in the playoffs, so who gives a shit.

What happens to Harden? I'm sorry, I should know this, but I've tried to think about the Cubs as little as possible the last two months.

Anyone think if Cubs get Dempster and Peavy they will flip Harden for a lefty bat?

unless it's a bat of epic proportions then no thanks

I drool over the thought of

Peavy
Z
Harden
Dempster
Lilly

That right there is a 110 win season.

if by some miracle, we do get Peavy and Dempster, the thought of Peavy, Harden, Z, Dempster, Lilly would be pretty damn exciting, but you have to wonder about the Marquis situation.

It's a good bet the Cubs would have to shed some salary for at least one-left handed bat and Marquis would be a lot harder to move than Harden and would get you much less in a trade. On top of that, you have to wonder about rotation stability. Assuming you've traded at least Marshall and possibly another starter, you've got a lot of guys in the rotation that our injury risks. Who steps in when they go down withouth Marshall and let's say Atkins or whatever. 

We'd still have Gaudin and they could sign Lieber or something like him again and I'll assume Samardzija isn't getting traded and there's always Rich Hill, but the pitching staff could fall apart quickly. And I think it's a safe bet that if the Cubs got Peavy and Dempster that Harden wouldn't be resigned after this year.

Now I'm not advocating it, I'd love to see them move Marquis and roll the dice with that kind of talent, but it's certainly something to think about. And Harden would definitely be the best trading chip we have.

We too drool over the thought of...

Lilly
Peavy
Z
Harden
Dempster

Ted,

I would put Lilly ahead of Harden based on durability.

I just drool a lot, no matter what the occasion.

I love the idea of getting swept in October by scores of 1-0, 2-0, 1-0.
They ask if it could get worse, well yeah, that is worse.

Baseball Prospectus has their top 11 Cubs prospects:

Five-Star Prospects
1. Josh Vitters, 3B
Four-Star Prospects
2. Jeff Samardzija, RHP
3. Jose Ceda, RHP
Three-Star Prospects
4. Hak-Ju Lee, SS
5. Andrew Cashner, RHP
6. Tyler Colvin, OF
7. Dae-Eun Rhee, LHP
8. Ryan Flaherty,
Two-Star Prospects
9. Welington Castillo, C
10. Donald Veal, LHP
11. Micah Hoffpauir, 1B

Just Missed: Matt Cedra, INF; Jay Jackson, RHP; Logan Watkins, INF

http://baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articlei...

The rest of the content in the link is subscriber only.

Hoffpauir a 2-star prospect? unpossible...he's s every bit as good as Derrek Lee and would never, ever hit into a double play.

 

Anyone think there is something to the Padres withdrawing their offer to Hoffman? Like maybe they are getting a potential power arm to try at closer from the Cubs, i.e. Samninja or Ceda? Or someone from the Braves? Or maybe its nothing.

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=ap-padres-ho...

it's just them cutting costs....

Espn 1000 Bruce Levine is reporting Padres and Braves have "two pieces in place to complete trade," but Cubs still might have a chance.

Olney said the same thing in his article...

Thought so too

My bad

No BP love for Casey Lambert or Mitch Atkins?

There isn't anybody on Baseball Prospectus' list or combination thereof that I wouldn't trade for Peavy. Samardzija has the NTC, and Cashner/Flaherty can't be traded until after June 15th or whenever the June draft is held this year.

Lincecum gets the NL CY

Lincecum, Webb, Johan, Lidge, CC, Dempster was the final vote...

probably would have flipped Johan and Webb myself, Dempster got 4 3rd place votes

please oh please

http://www.desipio.com/?p=1782

The Jake Peavy to the Cubs rumors will not die, and today they took a turn for the interesting.
A source within the Padres organization claims that it’s “basically a done deal” (whatever basically means) that Peavy is headed to Chicago, and that the Cubs will send back Felix Pie, Sean Marshall and Ryan Theriot.
Is this one of those “I know a guy, who knows a guy” deals? Yes, that’s exactly what it is. So I have no idea if it’s true. All I can say is that the “source” is a guy who actually should know.

and from the comments..


Andy
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The source of this rumor reports to Kevin Towers directly. Nope, not Masur or Vasgersian.

the Cubs will send back Felix Pie, Sean Marshall and Ryan Theriot.

Oh my... that would be incredible.

Interesting. That would seem to seriously conflict with today's rumors about the Braves having pieces in place, but perhaps they ended up asking for too much. I have a bad feeling though this will be akin to the '05 blog from some dude that Furcal signs with the Cubs, only to have him sign with the Dodgers the next day.

Rob, I'm guessing the "please oh please" is more about shedding Theriot than acquiring Peavy? :)

"the '05 blog from some dude that Furcal signs with the Cubs"

As long as WSCR George Offman is not reporting it, it could be true.

yup, trading Theriot means they're planning to sign Furcal would be my guess...

I give that rumor about a 1% shot of having any truth to it, because I don't think the Cubs would move Theriot w/o knowing for sure about Furcal and they haven't been able to talk money yet and there's a good 4-5 teams that are interested in him.

And the fact that is a shitty deal for the Padres....

Could be Padres are releasing this to scare Braves into action.

If the Theriot gets traded they better sign Furcal asap. Ronny the Retard for 160 a games will not be pleasant.

not sure the Padres would use Andy Dolan of desipio.com to float a rumor to get the Braves to pony up. 99.8% chance no one in the Braves has heard of it....

99.8?

Would the Cubs trade Theriot if they Greene back in the deal somehow? They'd make a run at Furcal, sure, but Greene would be the back up plan.

Of course, perhaps the deal is "basically" done except for the little detail that Hendry still has to find a third party to get involved to send more pitching to SD.

Could it mean Ronny Cedeno at Short? Or maybe Khalil Green is coming this way?

Lets hope we never see the 'Ronny Cedeno era' as the starting shortstop, Greene has really declined lately but he'd be a way better option than Cedeno.

Realistically we have nothing to offer pitching wise (exception Szamarja or Harden) compared to the Braves. If this deal gets done with pie, marshall and theriot then it's silly not to take it. I wonder if Giles will be in this deal to shed all of their salary...find this third team...what else would we be giving up?

There is no way we are getting rid of Marquis and his 9mil this year if this deal gets done. In all honestly they should let Dempster walk this was his best year by far when you compared it to his past. He's not worth the 12-15 he may get on the open market. If you can get a good deal on Wood then go for it but he's also not worth 12-15 per year.

Peavy
Z
Harden
Lilly
Marquis or Hill (in my prayers)

Any body have details on Hill in the Venezuela league..he's getting hammered. Don't count on him to do anything.

It should be interesting.

His source at Cubs-

No chance for Dempster resigning, he wants 5/85

Wood gone also, Tampa very interested

Peavy trade needs third team(duh), Peavy needed because of no Dempster

~grain of salt~

He probably means no re-signing before Thursday. It'd be stupid for Dempster to rule out the Cubs now.

The way he was saying it was the Cubs would not pay 5/85 for Dempster, which is what he's supposedy is asking for.

Yeah, but I doubt any team is going to pony up that kind of cash off one good year as a starter. Maybe his agent is having delusions of Boras. He may ask for that, but I doubt he gets it.

$17M a year for Dempster is...well....um...not wise.

Roll the dice with Samardzija in the rotation and go pay for Furcal and RFer. 

I agree.

And I can't understand the whole he will take a cut in pay to pitch with Peavy is mind boggling. I mean it's not Bball or Football and that they will be on the field again.

Then again he's Canadian.

Or just keep Marquis. I'd probably trust him over Samardzija for a year. Never thought I'd say that.

I'd do the Peavy deal pretty much under any circumstances, Vitters might hurt a little but I'll take a pitcher with Cy Young stuff over a prospect.

Kerry Wood's got Cy Young stuff...

that and Peavy actually has won one.

So Randy Johnson would be better than Peavy?

if it was 28 year old Randy Johnson, then yes.

The difference is that Jake Peavy has Cy Young stuff and has one one. Meaning that he's put up the numbers deserving of a Cy Young award and will probably continue to show his Cy Young stuff.

Kerry Wood will not put up Cy Young numbers nor will Randy Johnson.

Why are you trying to pick this nit when you God Damned well what he's trying to say?

Because I think Peavy is a disaster waiting to happen for whichever team trades for him. You can see the Braves are not willing to discuss their two 'five star prospects' but the Cubs, in theory are. That doesn't make sense.

Winter Leagues

Rich Hill ERA 6.28 IN-14.1 Hits 15 13BB 9

Angel Guzman - ERA 2.08 In 13 H14 K- 8 BB-3

I've read in a couple places now about maybe Adam Dunn to the Cubs. Can he even play RF? He sure can't play LF worth a damn, but if he has a strong arm (I don't know, does he?), there's no reason he'd be any worse in RF than in LF, right?

He would certainly address the Cubs' age-old need for a LH power bat in the middle of the order. If they signed him, I imagine he would be the heir apparent at 1B once Lee's contract is over.

Final question, this one about Brian Roberts. Would the Orioles at all be interested in Mark DeRosa as part of a Roberts trade? I wonder if the Cubs could put together trade packages for BOTH Peavy and Roberts; I'm not convinced the Cubs have enough quality young players, but maybe DeRosa would help them get it done.

If the Cubs DID somehow acquire Peavy, Roberts and Dunn, I'm buying my World Series tickets right now.

The Cubs already have two heir apparents for first base in Ramirez and Soriano.

I am not sure about Dunn's arm. He was a college QB, so it wouldn't surprise me if it's playable, though I don't know why the Reds wouldn't have played him in right. The other option would be to move Soriano to right (or center), but his arm is a little short for that.

ive heard this Dunn/Cubs/RF crap, too.

yes, pinella will play guys in RF who have no business there, but not regularly (thankfully).

dunn can barely play LF and his arm is clunky. hell, he can barely play 1st.

Right field has the fewest plays.

but generally requires the best arm.

having said this, Dunn was a college qb. I bet his arm is better that we think

dunn's arm isn't that bad, but it's not good or accurate. he's also battled off/on soreness with his throwing arm almost yearly.

much like the entire package that is adam dunn he's got an amazing set of tools he applies really oddly.

it makes me wonder how good of a player he could be if he actually liked the game as much as some other players out there. there's more than a few that think dunn could use a clemens meets schilling lockerroom "talk" to get him into the game more.

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  • ...and the Bryant RBI jinx continues in the 3rd....crap.

    billybucks 1 hour 28 min ago view
  • bryant's in the dugout filling a police report BECAUSE HE JUST GOT ROBBED.

    f'n cabrerra...

    crunch 2 hours 6 min ago view
  • chapman showing up and available tomorrow night.

    i'm sure he'll be a bit hit. hope he doesn't choke. dude has a rifle for an arm. he'll add a bit of punch to the bullpen.

    crunch 2 hours 7 min ago view
  • the 'crosstown classic' sure has lost it's magic with interleague. the excitement level is barely noticable...maybe it's a bit more hype in the city, itself.

    crunch 2 hours 11 min ago view
  • Well he didn't leave a mark so its not that bad.

    Fuck that.

    Facts:

    He choked her.

    Her brother tackled him to separate him.

    He cooled off by shooting his gun in the garage.

    I don't have to like him on the team I follow.

    And you are others are free to not give a shit about his personal misgivings if you so choose as well.

     

     

    Rob G. 2 hours 30 min ago view
  • Sure, no marks and some inconsistencies in the witness's statements. But firing your gun into garage wall immediately after an argument and punching out your car window is still threatening and out of control behavior. There was certainly enough for MLB to think it warranted a 30-game suspension.

    Charlie 3 hours 41 min ago view
  • I'd prefer they be flexible with the closing situation depending on matchups. You're not really adding a lefty reliever if you use him strictly as a closer.

    Charlie 3 hours 42 min ago view
  • Stockpiling young talent isn't only for trading for someone like Chapman though. Even with an elite closer winning the World Series is basically a crap shoot so the key is to get to the playoffs as much as possible and not just mortgage everything on one year. Once you get there an elite bullpen certainly helps but the playoffs can be won by one hitter or starting pitcher getting hot (Murphy, Molina, Baumgardner) and a closer might not be able to stop that.

    johann 4 hours 6 min ago view
  • I'm also not crazy about press convictions. As the police report noted, there were no marks on the lady in question. There's a TMZ link (of course) to her police pictures, as well.

    I think the only way this trade goes real bad is if Cubbery intervenes and Chapman is suddenly bad for some reason.

    Old and Blue 4 hours 9 min ago view
  • I am right there with you closing in on 60.

    I don't care that much about "mortgaging" one player who is not only blocked by two guys, but is not ready to hit the majors for at least a couple years.

    There is no reason why this team, this year, can't have a real shot at something NONE of us have experienced.

    Further, I don't feel that even if they fall short that they have ruined their farm system.

    I have made my opinion clear here, with others, Warren was shit on the Cubs save one spot start.

    The E-Man 5 hours 39 min ago view
  • Trading for Warren, Warren sucking, getting Warren back for Chapman plus 3 prospects, sounds like Revenge of The Yankees on the former Boston executive. Old rivalries never die.

    I pray to the heavens above Chapman doesn't suck for some reason, or he'll be booed out of town faster than a Todd Hundley revival meeting.

    Old and Blue 5 hours 47 min ago view
  • I'm kind of nostalgic for the Schwarber-for-Miller rumors.

    Brick 5 hours 58 min ago view
  • This offseason, after some ridiculous playoff run and Chapman saving every game from here until the end of the postseason striking out 27/9innings, I welcome anyone to quote this thread and call me a dummy: I hate this trade, and my hate is 2 parts Chapman makes this team less likeable and 1 part that's a ridiculous overpay for 30 regular season innings and, at tops, 10 postseason innings. Already hoping they don't extend him.

    Charlie 6 hours 34 sec ago view
  • btw...Thanks AZ Phil. I'm really enjoying your take on this trade.

    Cubster 6 hours 22 min ago view
  • I'm a bit disappointed on the Warren experience. Essentially they gave Castro away for crickets (OK, well they signed Zobrist with the Castro salary dump). Otherwise one might look at it as Chapman for Castro and our #1 minors prospect (Torres) + McKinney/Crawford. Seems pricey for a 2 month rental. We will see if this price tag is that steep in a relative way based on the remaining deadline deals for relievers.

    Cubster 6 hours 23 min ago view
  • Yep. One of the great things about this team (in addition to being really good at baseball) was the "likable" factor. Feels a bit different now. Who knows...maybe Chapman will be the king of the dance parties.

    billybucks 6 hours 32 min ago view