Cubs' Right Field Options

The Kansas City Star says the Cubs are making a play for Mark Teahen. This on the heels of a radio report that the Cubs are very interested in Milton Bradley. The KC Star article also says the Cubs have interest in Raul Ibanez, but his cost may be prohibitive.

The Cubs would prefer David DeJesus according to the article, but he seems unavailable as the Royals want to move him to left field and acquire a new center fielder. Teahen though might be attainable. The names thrown out by the author are Felix Pie, Mike Fontenot and Ronny Cedeno.


Out of fear of Bradley mangling one of our white scrappy middle infielders on one of his 'off' days (or himself), I'm much more in favor of a KC deal. I'd prefer David of Jesus, though.

but is it suppose to be

Cubs' Right Field Options or Cubs Right Field Options

and if I was doing a page of Cubs that won the Cy Young Award, is it?

Cubs' Cy Young Winners or Cubs Cy Young Winners

It's either Cubs: Right Field Options or Cubs' Right Field Options... I think.

Cubs' RF options...options that are theirs.

Cubs Cy Young Winners...Cy Young Winners who are Cubs.
"He is a Cubs pitcher"

Cubs' Cy Young Winners...Cy Young Winners that the Cubs Organization has.
"He is the Cubs' pitcher"

well I'm just tell me what the title of this page should be

and shhh, it's still a secret 


I think that technically, your title is now correct. I also think that, because 'Cubs' is the name of the team and a Cy Young winner is a 'Cubs' player, that you can write it without the apostrophe. 'He is a Cubs pitcher' doesn't indicate ownership of the pitcher by the Cubs (I don't think), but Cubs' pitcher does. Perhaps it goes down the argument, 'Am I a Cub fan or a Cubs fan?'.

Because there are multiple pitchers who are collectively 'Cubs', I think it's ok. If it was one player, you'd have to put 'Cubs' Cy Young Winner' or 'Cub Cy Young Winner' depending on what, exactly, you're trying to indicate.

E-mail if you secretly want free labor.

it'll be open up to everyone to contribute in a short time...actually it probably is now, but I want put together some more examples/templates and a solid help page before we announce it to the world.

Good move, a vast improvement on the "junk drawer"!

ooh ooh! i've already got quite few items thought up to add there. some are self serving, but hey it's part of legitimate Cubs' Folklore (Cubs Folklore).

absolutely, ANYTHING related to the Cubs is  going to be welcome

Sweet. Let me know when I'm free to upload my nude photos of Uncle Lou.

that's hot

Wait till you seem them. My personally favorite is Japanese Schoolgirl Lou. He looks good in a sailor suit, believe it or not.

so semi-nude? false advertising....

we should definitely NOT allow manny to do the entry about Dusty Baker. or Jim Hendry either.

or Manny.

They are sequential shots. He starts out in the sailor suit...but doesn't end that way.

We did a whole series. I paid him in jellybeans.

was johann's mom involved in any way?


to start everyone off...take a look at this page 

on player pages on Baseball Cube, they list if a player was on one of the BA Prospect Rankings since 1992. I've filled in basically everyone I can think of, but anything labeled "Missing" is doing just that.Any persons care to try to fill in the gaps?

Supposedly if you have a subscription you can get from 2002 online, but the rest has proved troublesome. It's basically been a trial and error of typing in Cubs prospects that I can think of.

I'm missing #10 on 2004 and then a bunch from 2000 and before...

unless there's a page on Baseball Cube that actually gives the team-by-team lists for each year, but I couldn't find it 

Rob, there isn't a list of that on Baseball Cub, but you can find the rosters for each of the minor league teams for each year. So by clicking through I just found Nate Frese as #10 in 2001 and filled that in. I'll try to find a few more before I have to get to work.

thnx for the tip, I found #10 in 2004 - Jae-kuk Ryu

Kyle Lohse was #6 in 1999. I filled in a bunch more, especially in the early 1990s - inlcuding Tim Parker (who?) in 1992. But that 8th slot in 1992 remains elusive.

thnx again, filled in a bunch as well, got from 1999 through 2008 done, 1994 and 1995.

Missing - #8 in 1996, #7 in 1993, #8 in 1992

I don't think Baseball Cube has 1997 and 1998 in there because has Kerry Wood #1, but it doesn't show up on his player page. I also found a bio on Brian Ramsey saying he was a top 10 prospect in 1998 according to BA, but doesn't show up on his page either. 

ROB G: Try RHP Wade Walker (1996-#8), 3B Jose Viera (1993-#7), and 1B Elvin Paulino (1992-#8).

why did I know you would have the answer? you happen to have the 1997 or 1998 lists somewhere?

Baseball Cube lists players that were on their top 100 major league list, but is missing the organizational top 10 for those years. From some pages I know Wood was #1 both years and I have a couple of other names that should be on the top 10 lists but can't confirm where.

the former on both. take that from an english major.

to add confusion to all this...i believe Cubs's would be technically correct, however, is so commonly not used it would lead most to say it's wrong.

so uh...yeah...

Teahan... Pinhead and Perry better be damned sure that they can fix him if we trade anything more than a bucket of balls for him. I wouldn't trade Pie even up for him.

DeJesus doesn't hit well enough to be a left fielder, but I'd take him for center.

It's also Teahen.

thnx, I'll always screw his spelling up


how are Pinhead and Perry going to fix a shoulder injury that might be permanent?

Ask Kerry Wood?

The new website looks cool Rob.

shhh, it's a secret, but yes, it will eventually be a dumping ground for anything you ever possibly could have ever wanted to know about the Cubs, their players, minor leagues, Wrigleyville, etc...

Towers says Braves aren't necessarily dead, but that Braves don't give out NTC clauses and Peavy is insisting on one to agree to a deal.

for Teahen and I'm wondering why they're interested in someone who hit just as poorly as Fukudome last year

and has been below ML averages the last two seasons, not to mention well below average as a a RFer...

Current Payroll numbers will probably be around 137 Million when you factor in Gregg, Gaudin and Reed's salaries in arbitration.

So unless we're looking to package a few players with large salaries and reports are around a 150M payroll budget, I would think we're going the cheap route.

Lets hope someone will take Marquis off our roster.

I hope dempster lives up to that contract...after one good year.

I live in KC and watch a LOT of Royals baseball. My 2 cents:

Teahan is a LH version of Mark DeRosa. He can play most every position on the field, none of them gold-glove caliber, but all of them passably acceptable. He has some speed; not a pure basestealer, but he runs smart, does 1st to 3rd well, he will sneak in 15-20 SBs per year if a manager is aggressive.

He is a line-drive hitter, does not have any kind of upper-cut at all necessary for HR production. He can be had with breaking stuff low and away, and high fastballs. His plate discipline is below average.

In my view, Teahan is a league-average quality player with a bit of potential upside. His biggest advantage is that he is a really an all-around super-sub type player, something we know Lou likes to have. I would very much like to have him on the Cubs in this role, but not so much if the plan is to have him be the everyday RF.

So, Pie for Teahan? I'm fine with that. Pie + Cedeno? Again fine, because I can't STAND Cedeno. But anything more and I'd balk. And I certainly hope Hendry gets more than just Teahan as his off-season bat, because he ain't enough.

I realize that this is likely to come back and make me feel very, very stupid, but I'd rather have Pie than Teahen at this point--I definitely don't trade them straight up.

This has nothing to do with the comment I'm responding to, but I also don't understand the infatuation that some people have for DeJesus--he seems to be merely okay, or sort of good. Not the sort of guy that would make me think, man, I'd really love to trade for him. A better bet than our current CF guys, but I'm not exactly drooling. And he's no more of a leadoff hitter than Mark DeRosa. I haven't seen him play much. Maybe he's a spectacular fielder and I just don't know it.

So one guy has below average plate discipline. The other has Gawd awful plate discipline. What are the chances that we target a guy with GOOD plate discipline. How about excellent plate discipline. That would be awesome!

Anything the Royals have is not an option for us! Would rather have Fuk-u-do-me in R and platoon with DeRosa and Pie in center...this is crazy. Milton Bradley is a better board game maker then a player! He's also butcher in the outfield.

Mmm. Is there anything tastier than a Fukudome/Cedeno platoon?

I think of all the possible free agents the only guy who is a real RF is Bobby Abreu, and he's declined a bit on defense, from what I've read out of NYC.

There has to be better trade possibilities than Teahen. At the very least if they deal for Teahen they better sign Furcal to lead off and bench Theriot.

2001-- 10.chad ricketts?

good call, Ricketts was actually 10th in the Dodgers organization in 2001, although he was a Cub before bad.

The Cubs would prefer David DeJesus...

This is downright orgasmic.

DeJesus' numbers look decent, but I don't know jack about either guy other than the fanfare (or what passes for fanfare for KC) when Teahen came up.

I can't remember which writer it was, but I still laugh at the mental image of Burnitz waiting anxiously by the phone... sad, but probably true....

Throw the numbers out, Kauffman is brutal. The important thing is this guy is built like the perfect ball player and has all the tools. He'll have a breakout year in the next 2-3 years, you can count on that.

I was calling for the Cubs to trade for DeJesus last year, but I was just yapping, I never thought it could be a real possibility.

Rob, are you left-handed? Did you ever have any time in the KC organization? Sounds like we got a new RF'r...

And I just read somewhere that we're "trying to deal Fukudome", is that true? Does Hendry or Fuk know that? I figured Jimbo would let him go for the right return (ie, we're not stuck with his WHOLE salary for the next 3 years), but I hadn't heard Hendry was shopping him....

*edit*-- "Although the Cubs are trying to deal right fielder Kosuke Fukudome, the Royals almost certainly would not take on his remaining contract of three years and $38 million."

with the link:

(it's about halfway down)

it's in that KC star article I linked to as well, actually I think they took it from there...Fukudome has a NTC, so it's not happening.

Yeah, that doesn't make sense to me either. I think one could play CF, the other RF, no?

Read it and weep. Rich Hill tonight (Tuesday):

1 inning, 3 hits, 7 runs, 5 earned, 3 walks, 2 K's, 2 wild pitches.

Justin Berg, for what it's worth, pitched the 7th and fared even worse.

0.2 innings, 6 hits, 8 runs, 8 earned, 3 walks, 1 K, 1 wild pitch.

Final score: Tiburones 21, Tigres (Aragua) 7.


Future home run slugging right fielder?

I just tried to picture Rich Hill running down flies. And snorted.

Hill may have a career as an actor.

Man, that fork in Hill's back is HUGE. He done.

"but he seems unavailable as the Royals want to move him to left field and acquire a new center fielder."

Sometimes, rumor news reports are right on the money. The Royals just traded Ramón Ramírez for Coco Crisp.

Submitted by carlosrubi on Wed, 11/19/2008 - 9:29am.

"but he seems unavailable as the Royals want to move him to left field and acquire a new center fielder."

Sometimes, rumor news reports are right on the money. The Royals just traded Ramón Ramírez for Coco Crisp.


CARLOS: Perhaps the nature of the talks between the Cubs and the Royals had less to do with Teahen and DeJesus coming to Chicago and more to do with Pie and/or Cedeno going to KC, with Coco Crisp the actual target?

Crisp would solve the leadoff issue, but that would mean DeRosa and Fukudome share right field. Or would Hendry still try to find a left-handed bat who can hit in the 5 or 6 hole?

No, cuz then Fuku wouldn't have a spot. If we got Crisp, it sounds like our outfield would be Soriano, Crisp, and Fukudome/Johnson. Unless we're then throwing a ton of money at Furcal, no thanks.

Crisp ain't coming to the Cubs.

"Crisp would solve the leadoff issue"

I'm gonna go with false. Career OBP of .331. Base stealing isn't THAT important. He's never been an elite base stealer, anyway. Career high of 28 last year--like Theriot on a good year.

I could handle that, Phil. Crisp would be a good pickup for that price...

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    As far as Spencer Patton is concerned...

    Arizona Phil 10 min 41 sec ago view
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  • Outstanding.

    Jackstraw 1 hour 17 min ago view
  • So presuming he remains on the MLB Active List for the balance of the MLB regular season, Tommy LaStella will be at 2+102 MLB Service Time at the end of the season, far short of what he would have needed to accrue to have a chance at "Super Two" status post-2016. (Even if he had remained on the MLB Active List for the entire season and finished at 2+124 MLB Service Time, he still would have only been "on the bubble" for possible "Super Two" status post-2016).

    Arizona Phil 1 hour 53 min ago view
  • I don't know about the defensive part of the equation, the fact all the Cubs pitchers are so ahead of their FIP makes me think it's a lot more defense than anything special Hendricks is doing.

    Rob G. 1 hour 57 min ago view
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  • Yeah that article describes what I said in my other post about WAR. BR WAR is fine as a snapshot but FG is a better predictor of future performance.

    I also get what you mean by FIP being independent of luck but my point is all the soft contact Hendricks gives up negates a lot of that luck and defense aspect. In other words I believe he could pitch in front of any defense and have similar #s because for the most part he isn't giving up the screaming liners or hard hit liners to the gap.

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    "Dealin'" Cease with another good outing for Eugene. Last 4 outings: 16IP, 1ER 29K. But, 10BB. Throw strikes, kid.

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  • For a start:

    "lets" should be "let's".

    billybucks 3 hours 50 min ago view
  • FYI: Here's a good link explaining the differences in pitching WAR between Fangraphs and Basebell Reference.

    Rob G. 4 hours 40 min ago view
  • ERA is just FIP with defense and luck. That being said if Hendricks gets his ERA under 2.00, he may have a legit shot.

    That all being said I was looking at Fangraphs WAR and I should have been looking at Basebell Reference WAR because more voters use that. My bad and happy to admit my mistake unlike some people around here that shall not be named (just kidding CRUNCH, CRUNCH, CRUNCH!)

    Rob G. 4 hours 44 min ago view
  • Yes. That is something up with which we will not put.

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