Cubs Add Three to 40-man Roster
The Cubs have added three players to their MLB Reserve List (40-man roster), one day in advance of the November 20th deadline that requires MLB clubs to submit major league and minor league reserve lists to the MLB office. .
RHPs Mitch Atkins and Justin Berg were selected from Iowa, and RHP Marcos Mateo was selected from Daytona, and with the addition of the three, the Cubs now have 36 players on their MLB Reserve List.
Notably absent from the list are LHP Donald Veal (the Cubs 2005 2nd round pick) and 2B Nate Spears (acquired along with two other prospects from the Baltimore Orioles in January 2006 for OF Corey Patterson), meaning both will be eligible for selection in next month's Rule 5 Draft. And I would say that it's very likely that Veal will get selected, and somewhat likely that Spears will be, too.
A North Carolina native, Atkins checks in at 6'3/220, and he just turned 23 last month. He was the Cubs 7th round selection in the 2004 Rule 4 Draft (1st Year Player Draft) out of Northeast Guilford HS in McLeansville, NC (he was signed by legendary Cubs Area Scout Billy Swoope), and he had signed an NLI to attend Elon University before opting to sign with the Cubs. Atkins has progressed steadily through the Cubs system over the past five seasons, reaching AAA Iowa via a mid-season promotion in 2008. He went 17-7 with a combined 4.00 ERA and 1.25 WHIP, allowing 155 H, 87 R (73 ER), 50/132 BB/K, and 25 HR in 164.1 IP (28 GS) with AA Tennessee and AAA Iowa in 2008. Atkins doesn't throw particularly hard, but he really "knows how to pitch." He has a full array of pitches, including a very effective cutter. He probably projects as a "back-of-the-rotation" MLB starter at this point.
The 24-year old Berg is a native of Antigo, WI, and was acquired by the Cubs from the Yankees in August 2005 in exchange for veteran OF Matt Lawton. A 6'3 230-pound sinker-baller, Berg was originally drafted by the Yankees in the 43rd round of the 2003 Rule 4 Draft out of Indian Hills CC in Iowa, but was signed as a "Draft & Follow" in May 2004 (just days prior to the June Draft) after spending his sophomore year at Triton CC in River Grove, IL. He was set to transfer to the University of Iowa for his junior year before opting to turn pro. The fact that the Cubs acquired Berg in a trade just a year after he signed with the Yankees probably is an indication that the Cubs had planned to draft him back in 2004 if he hadn't signed as a "DNF" with the Yanks. Berg has similar stuff as Jeff Samardzija (power sinker and slider), but has struggled mightily with his command throughout most of his career. Like Atkins, Berg split the 2008 sesaon between AA and AAA, and he was supposed to pitch for the Mesa Solar Sox of the Arizona Fall League post-2008 (he pitched in the AFL last year, too), but plans were changed at the last minute, and he ended up in the Venezuelan Winter League instead. Basically a "two-pitch pitcher," Berg will probably be moved to the bullpen in the near future to take full advantage of his hard stuff. He really needs to work on his command, but if he can get that straightened out (as Samardzija appears to have done), he could possibly make it to the big leagues as a reliever.
Marcos Mateo is the cousin of ex-Cubs RHP Juan Mateo. A native of the Dominican Republic, the 6'1 ,160-pound Marcos Mateo was acquired from Cincinnati in September 2007 as the PTBNL in an earlier deal where the Cubs sent OF Buck Coats to the Reds, so 2008 was his first season in the Cubs organization (he did pitch in the AZ Instructional League with the Cubs post-2007, however). He will turn 25 next April. Like his older cousin, Marcos Mateo's best pitch is an outstanding slider, but he also has a fastball with some life on it, and he supposedly developed a change-up in 2008 when he was moved to the starting rotation after a promotion from Peoria to Daytona. But unless the change-up is of big league quality, his future is probably MLB middle-relief.









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#1 Re: Cubs Add Three to 40-man Roster
Atkins and Berg really dont surprize me, but Mateo sure does!
#2 Re: Cubs Add Three to 40-man Roster
I dont get why Veal was left off, I mean he is wild but so is Berg. I mean LHP who throw hard just dont grow on trees and Veal good as gone now as he will be a top pick and I am sure he could last as a 12th man on the staff of a lousy club anyway. Can Veal still be added tomorrow in case Jimbo and Company forgot he needed to be added or is this the final list?
#3 Re: Cubs Add Three to 40-man Roster
Why would they leave 4 open spots? They certainly aren't going to sign 4 free agents. This doesn't make sense to me unless the are going to add a few tomorrow. I agree about Veal, they should add him.
#4 Re: Cubs Add Three to 40-man Roster
Veal might get selected, but I have serious doubts he'll stick with a team after he walks 5 guys in a row a couple of times.
#5 Re: Cubs Add Three to 40-man Roster
Have to agree here. You would need a team that is really punting the season to have Veal drafted. The way he's pitched lately it's in doubt whether he'd be able to finish innings. Maybe if a team is OK bringing him in when they need to walk a guy and don't want to hurt their starter's stats.
#12 Re: Cubs Add Three to 40-man Roster
So a team like the Nats or Pirates will be a 92 loss team instead of a 90 loss team. Veal's stuff is good enough that a bad team in need of young pitching will keep him on as the 12th guy on their staff.
#6 Re: Cubs Add Three to 40-man Roster
Submitted by The Real Neal on Wed, 11/19/2008 - 3:55pm.
Have to agree here.
You would need a team that is really punting the season to have Veal drafted.
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REAL NEAL: I won't say which team (although you can probably figure out which one it is because it's practically self-evident), but a scout from another organization told me not too long ago that he LOVES Donald Veal despite his struggles (because the scout thinks Veal has the best "pure stuff" in the Cubs organization), and so I fully expect Veal to get selected in the Rule 5 Draft.
Of course that doen't mean he will be able to stick in MLB for a full season, but I will predict that it's VERY likely that he will get selected in the Rule 5 Draft.
#7 Re: Cubs Add Three to 40-man Roster
I can see your scout owing his GM $32K next June.
Even if he loves his arm, it's just the fact that he's likely to be totally useless which I think will scare teams off. Unles they want him to pinch run. But I wouldn't be surprised if he gets drafted. I'd be really surprised if he gets drafted and doesn't get offered back to us - unless he breaks his leg or something.
#9 Re: Cubs Add Three to 40-man Roster
32K...most scouts wish they made that much money.
that said, playing the rule-5-shuffle don't mean anything until late march when it's time to set the rosters full time and you know if the guy is gone or not.
#11 Re: Cubs Add Three to 40-man Roster
KC? I could see a club like that stashing Veal in the pen this year considering they trotted out Jimmy Gobble for 39 games with that sparkling 8.81 ERA and 1.96 WHIP. Plus they've now traded away 2 of their 2008 relievers in Leo Nunez and Ramon Ramirez so they'll have room. It sucks potentially seeing a great arm like that go but I mean even if he becomes the next Renyel Pinto, that's not going to kill the Cubs.
#15 Re: Cubs Add Three to 40-man Roster
The Cubs have had a few pitchers over the last few years taken in the Rule V draft (seems like 1-2 every year). The only one we've lost that I can think of is Andy Sisco and the reasons he was let go had very little to do with his pitching ability.
Veal very well might be taken, but sticking on a roster all year is going to be tough. Most guys don't make it out of spring training.
#8 Re: Cubs Add Three to 40-man Roster
video on Cubs' AFL prospects, nifty
http://www.mlb.com/media/video.jsp?mid=20081118367...
took her about 10 words to get curse in though
#10 Re: Cubs Add Three to 40-man Roster
REAL NEAL: There are several scouts that have very low opinions of the Cubs player development system (although they do think the scouting department is OK), and believe(rightly or wrongly) that all some of the Cubs pitching prospects-turned-suspects need is a chance to get some decent coaching. We'll have to see how that works out with Veal.
#13 Re: Cubs Add Three to 40-man Roster
If they think the scouting department is OK but question player development, does that mean they question teaching methods?
Sorry if it sounds self-evident, but I've often wondered why some organizations churn out body after body at the big-league level but the Cubs' "can't-miss" prospects often do nothing but that.
#16 Re: Cubs Add Three to 40-man Roster
I'd actually argue that the Cubs are one of the top pitching development teams out there. Injuries aside it's pretty rare that our pitchers don't pan out. Position players though... I think that's a combination of bad scouting and bad coaching. Too many athletes and not enough ball players, ever since I've been a Cubs fan... Well the Palmeiro pick was good.
#41 Re: Cubs Add Three to 40-man Roster
Bobby Brownlie
Chadd Blasko
Matt Clanton
Luke Haggarty
Grant Johnson
and
Mark Pawelek
All wish to argue your point
#57 Re: Cubs Add Three to 40-man Roster
All of those guys were injured, other than Pawelek, correct?
#69 Re: Cubs Add Three to 40-man Roster
If these injuries are due to (1) overuse or (2) failure to correct mechanical flaws in pitching motions, then it's a player development failure. Steve Stone has argued that more pitchers develop injuries in the Cubs minor league system than in other systems. Whether that's really true or he's just speaking anecdotally, I don't know. But it sure seems like the Cubs lose a lot of promising pitchers to injury.
#47 Re: Cubs Add Three to 40-man Roster
I don't think Michael Wuertz has panned out, although I think that's mostly on Rothschild.
Rich Hill came to the majors without any ability to hold a runner on a base. When people started running wild him, they (LR and I-don't-know-who-else) started mucking with his delivery, teaching him to slide-step, etc. The result is the Rich Hill we see today.
Zambrano has been taking one step forward, one step back for eight years. And he's a big talent.
Dempster, Lilly, Harden--they don't owe anything to Cub coaching.
Marmol is a success story, so far. Similarly Samardzija and Marshall, to an extent.
#58 Re: Cubs Add Three to 40-man Roster
And Wood and Prior and Nolasco and Pinto and Atkins and Gallagher and Ohman, and probably half a dozen other guys I can't remember of the top of my head - Cruz.
#85 Re: Cubs Add Three to 40-man Roster
You're right about a few of these guys. Also Blevins--he was in the Cubs' system when he seemed to figure it out in '07. Now he's in the majors. Pinto was the Cubs' minors pitcher of the year one year, so he must have made some progress under them.
Looking at Nolasco with the Cubs, he was 14-3 in 2005, so he didn't need Fla. coaching to pitch well.
Okay, my beef is with Rothschild, then. How did Ohman (and the guys I mentioned in #47) do under Rothschild?
#14 ownership bonership...lol...boner...
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/8818952/MLB-say...
"Major League Baseball says the deadline to submit bids to buy the Chicago Cubs is Dec. 1."
#17 wut?
has this guy checked to see where his team's postseason revenue has come from recently?
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/8817470/Oakland...
"NEW YORK (AP) - Lew Wolff has a way to shorten baseball's postseason: Make the first round best-of-one.
"I'd make it one-game-and-you're-out for the first series," the Oakland Athletics owner said Wednesday. "It would be exciting. It would be great.""
#18 Re: wut?
a third of the time for the Cubs to get swept...not bad.
#19 Re: wut?
i just hope he was handling that question as a "fan" and not a "business man."
either way there's around a 0.000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001% chance of it happening.
#20 Mike Mussina
retires...
HOFer?
#21 Re: Mike Mussina
without a Cy Young or 300 wins, I doubt it....surprised to see that last year was his first 20-win season. Did have 17 straight seasons with double digit wins.
anyone notice Maddux's 20-year streak ended last season?
#22 Re: Mike Mussina
start looking at stats and it opens up a whole can of worms...
Maddux hasn't received a Cy Young vote since 2000, somehow in 2002 with a 16-6 record and a 2.62 ERA, he didn't get one. His 159 ERA+ was 2nd best in the NL.
#26 Re: Mike Mussina
Tim Kurkjian thinks he is based on his career W%-.638, 117 games over .500, 2800 Ks, pitched his entire career with the DH in the AL EAST and in the steroid era. I think he noted that every SP who has 100 more wins than losses in his career is either in the HOF or hasn't become eligible yet. Clemens, Pedro, Glavine, Johnson. Personally if Blyleven isn't in than Moose shouldn't be either. He really should have pitched one more year. He'd likely pick up at least 15 wins taking him to 285 and he'd almost assuredly get in then. Not to mention one last shot at a ring. His postseason numbers were solid outside of the W-L, 7-9, but had a 3.42 ERA, 145 Ks in 139 IP.
#40 Re: Mike Mussina
Mussina is a Yankee so that should help his case. Other than Munson (who should be in the hall) has there ever been a borderline HOF Yankee who hasnt gotten in? I guess Maris, but 2 great seasons in an other wise average at best career should not you into the hall. Had those 2 great years been for the Royals, I wonder if people would be making a HOF case for him. Hell Mussina is more worthy than Rizzuto. I doubt Mussina even cares about it because one more year would have made him a lock. He could have been at 9500Ks and and atleast 12 wins to his record and be atleast 120 games over .500 for his career.
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