TCR Free Agent Frenzy Update

f rem. and that is not "rock" music. At best they are alt rock.

Seriously though, Guns and Roses can't even fill up a greatest hits CD

Yes they can. It's called Appetite for Destruction.

I think you are talking about something different.

I said that Pearl Jam was the best band since Guns N Roses. I didn't say that Pearl Jam was one of the very best american bands ever. I was more commenting on the pathetic nature of rock and roll music since the mid 90's.

I like the Foo a lot. But they are no Guns N Roses. That's what I was saying. As far as comparing to Pearl Jam, I would say they are in the conversation but looking at the bands that came from that generation (and yes I do realize that I am going to compare Dave Grohl to himself), I think they sit behind PJ, Nirvana and possibly Soundgarden.

What discussion? Who in your mind you think are the best American bands?

If you add up my Pearl Jam albums and my GnR ablums, that comes to three less or seven less than my Talking Heads or BoDeans albums, respectively.

Therefore Pearl Jam and Guns&Roses, aren't in the discussion.

the hard part of taking your critiques seriously is the bands you call "good/great" you're trying to hold over some of these acts you're trashing. some of us find the idea of GnR being called a great band insane...especially if you've experienced the trainwreck they were as a live act.

they made a mega-influential hair metal record that showed and celebrated the "seedy" side of the strip. they were important, but no more important than jane's addiction was linking the metalheads to the psychedelic rock kids.

sonic youth has been a nearly 30-year touring band and you'll be hard pressed to find any guitar-based indie band who hasn't been exposed to and/or influenced by "daydream nation". they're not an indie-pop curiosity like guided by voices.

even if you don't like sonic youth they've been very important to so many acts after them.

with comments like those you can tell you don't actually listen to anything that you're bashing, or you don't understand anything that isn't played on commercial radio. SY didn't inspire grunge, they have no elements in their music that were used in grunge. The Pixies inspired "grunge" music way more than Sonic Youth. There would be no Nirvana if it weren't for the Pixies and other bands that they ripped off like the Vaselines and Wipers. They were simply an indie rock band that was influenced by avant garde music from NYC like Glenn Blanca. Whether you want to call that avant garde, no-wave or post punk, it's just indie rock to us. GnR was cockrock, meathead music that if it were getting made today would rest alongside of Linkin Park, Nickelback, and Kid Rock. Juvenile lyrics and generic one size fits all guitar riffs lifted from Randy Rhodes' back catalog of purely awful dreck.

This isn't directed at any one post/poster, but the whole "If I don't like it it's garbage and has no value and if you don't agree with me you're stupid" attitude kills me. I happen to like GNR (Appetite only) and apparently this means I am stupid and have never listened to anything else. Most of Pearl Jam's stuff is not for me and apparently this also means I'm stupid and don't know what I'm talking about. Whatever.

"And don't get me started on the Replacements. A total PUSSY band fronted by the worst front man in modern music history."

Ugh, why did I keep reading? Jesus, how misguided.

A pussy band? Worst front man in modern music history? Vedder's best song isn't as good as Westerberg's worst.

"Iggy Pop is not nor has every been relevant."

Further proof you are in way over your head in this discussion. Proto-punk bands don't get any better, or more influential, than the Stooges.

Mitch Mitchell died last week.

McCartney made him audition for Wings when he was going to do "Band on the Run".

Which McCartney ended up doing himself.